Code001
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So is he going to be named or what?
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riffy
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RedRider":3gnm1rrd said:
If you don't have that in writing, it isn't worth the bandwidth you typed this message on bro.
Not being smart alecky or ugly. Just expressing truth.
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JTyson
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What does he mean he dosent have the money, you just gave him 550.00 
Sounds like an expensive lesson for him to learn.
The fact that he said it's not his problem just means he's a dick, but it does sound like UPS pulled some crap on him and you both
Give him 5 days to get you the money or he gets called out. He can go fight with the UPS employee that did this and get him to credit your account. I bet the employee would rather credit your account than have a supervisor get called with a demand that he be fired for something we all know is unlawful in some way, shape or form
At the very least, they mislead him about the price wether on purpose or not
At the very least, he should have made sure everything on his end was up front and accounted for
5 days or he gets called out
None of the rest of us want to deal with someone who would do that either
Sounds like an expensive lesson for him to learn.
The fact that he said it's not his problem just means he's a dick, but it does sound like UPS pulled some crap on him and you both
Give him 5 days to get you the money or he gets called out. He can go fight with the UPS employee that did this and get him to credit your account. I bet the employee would rather credit your account than have a supervisor get called with a demand that he be fired for something we all know is unlawful in some way, shape or form
At the very least, they mislead him about the price wether on purpose or not
At the very least, he should have made sure everything on his end was up front and accounted for
5 days or he gets called out
None of the rest of us want to deal with someone who would do that either
Chris6870
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My thoughts exactly. I would never have given someone the chance. If the UPS place told him $40 why should he not believe them? They are the experts. Whats the advantage of using your account? Save a few bucks maybe? I would never give someone access to my account. Couldn't you just have sent him a prepaid label?Randy Van Sykes":2s8yjbmk said:$445 for shipping!!
Sure, it's all your fault Brad! Giving him access to your shipping account.
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Heritage Softail
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UPS was incompetent, the guy was just straight up stoopid at minimum, and you were a little over trusting to put that nicely.
When the day is done, legally I think you could do something in small claims court but it would not be worth the trip on a $ for $ basis. IF the guy that did the shipping is not willing to pay for 1/2 of the overage, I would publish his business identity. If you own a business and do something stoopid..... own up to it, otherwise it seems unethical.
I think we all have been guilty of 'over trust'. Don't let it eat your lunch. Somehow God will get vengance for you if needed. Funny how things seem to work out in the end. I have seen it happen.
When the day is done, legally I think you could do something in small claims court but it would not be worth the trip on a $ for $ basis. IF the guy that did the shipping is not willing to pay for 1/2 of the overage, I would publish his business identity. If you own a business and do something stoopid..... own up to it, otherwise it seems unethical.
I think we all have been guilty of 'over trust'. Don't let it eat your lunch. Somehow God will get vengance for you if needed. Funny how things seem to work out in the end. I have seen it happen.
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riffy
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Hey guys,
Remember one thing please. This isn't UPS. Although they do 'own' the name UPS Store, it used to be Mailboxes ETC. They defaulted on a lot of money they owed UPS and offered up the franchises as payment.
UPS didn't really want them but took them as to receive
something for what they were owed. They left it as Mailboxes ETC. for a good while. Then just changed the name. These are still individual franchise owners. They operate pretty much as they see fit.
If they do something overt that you can PROVE, possibly the franchise owner can be held accountable in some way. I am not up on Franchise Law, so I can't make an informed statement to that effect.
UPS isn't where you wanna aim your ire. That would be at the particular franchise owner in question. He may own more than one. One thing I can guarantee you though, he personally does not care if Brad keeps a UPS account or not. It won't put money in his pocket if he does, simply because Brad only dealt with him indirectly in this one instance.
Small claims court would be the place to threaten him, although the money and time involved for Brad here would cost more than losing the $400.00 to begin with.
Just a little food for thought.
Gary
Remember one thing please. This isn't UPS. Although they do 'own' the name UPS Store, it used to be Mailboxes ETC. They defaulted on a lot of money they owed UPS and offered up the franchises as payment.
UPS didn't really want them but took them as to receive
something for what they were owed. They left it as Mailboxes ETC. for a good while. Then just changed the name. These are still individual franchise owners. They operate pretty much as they see fit.
If they do something overt that you can PROVE, possibly the franchise owner can be held accountable in some way. I am not up on Franchise Law, so I can't make an informed statement to that effect.
UPS isn't where you wanna aim your ire. That would be at the particular franchise owner in question. He may own more than one. One thing I can guarantee you though, he personally does not care if Brad keeps a UPS account or not. It won't put money in his pocket if he does, simply because Brad only dealt with him indirectly in this one instance.
Small claims court would be the place to threaten him, although the money and time involved for Brad here would cost more than losing the $400.00 to begin with.
Just a little food for thought.
Gary
yngzaklynch
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Who was the shipper?
reverymike
Active member
I think you at least need to ban him from Rig Talk if you haven't already. If you ban him, there should be no need to name him.
Khoi
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I personally think he should be named.
Just like many of you guys, I'm sure the guy sells stuff all over the web on the various gear forums, (TGP, Rig-Talk, HC, etc.)
It'd be much better to get his name out to NOT deal with him
Just like many of you guys, I'm sure the guy sells stuff all over the web on the various gear forums, (TGP, Rig-Talk, HC, etc.)
It'd be much better to get his name out to NOT deal with him
Marshall Law
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bsp01
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I disagree with most of what is being said here. I do feel like you got burned for sure, but.. you gave the guy the money for the cab up front, then gave him carte blanche to your UPS account to ship it to you. He didn't care at this point, he got his money, and shipping wasn't an issue for him at all. He's a dick for that, no question. However, I think the use of the account falls directly on the account owner. If it were me, I would never have given someone that much control. If anything maybe you should have sent them a shipping label to use, or called the local UPS store yourself to set it up. They guy also now knows your account information, and could, in theory, ship other things using your account as well.
Obviously, not a very stand-up guy or he would accept some responsibility. This is probably going to be a really shitty lesson in not trusting people to do the right thing.
Obviously, not a very stand-up guy or he would accept some responsibility. This is probably going to be a really shitty lesson in not trusting people to do the right thing.
Doubleneck
Active member
I have done many transaction with plenty of people here and never had a problem
#1 I never would of given my account # to anyone
#2 He had to of walked out of UPS with a tracking # & receipt knowing how much it would cost to ship a 75 lb cab, that's fucked up? I wouldn't ship anything to anyone without a tracking #
#3 Has he contacted you?
#1 I never would of given my account # to anyone
#2 He had to of walked out of UPS with a tracking # & receipt knowing how much it would cost to ship a 75 lb cab, that's fucked up? I wouldn't ship anything to anyone without a tracking #
#3 Has he contacted you?
jmgman69
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It was all about trust!!I do and would do the same for quite a few of you guys here for sure. 
Mailman1971
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Do you have $500 for me to borrow......I will pay you back on Tuesday.jmgman69":2pg125df said:It was all about trust!!I do and would do the same for quite a few of you guys here for sure.
Just messing with ya Jason!
I always give the benefit of the doubt as well.
Easier to go thru life that way.
Maybe foolish....but easier then thinking everyone will fuck me over.
jmgman69
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Mailman1971":38dcehr9 said:Do you have $500 for me to borrow......I will pay you back on Tuesday.jmgman69":38dcehr9 said:It was all about trust!!I do and would do the same for quite a few of you guys here for sure.
Just messing with ya Jason!
I always give the benefit of the doubt as well.
Easier to go thru life that way.
Maybe foolish....but easier then thinking everyone will fuck me over.
Mailman1971
Moderator
Now.........about that $500..........jmgman69":wy2j0qpi said:Mailman1971":wy2j0qpi said:Do you have $500 for me to borrow......I will pay you back on Tuesday.jmgman69":wy2j0qpi said:It was all about trust!!I do and would do the same for quite a few of you guys here for sure.
Just messing with ya Jason!
I always give the benefit of the doubt as well.
Easier to go thru life that way.
Maybe foolish....but easier then thinking everyone will fuck me over.
jmgman69
New member
Mailman1971":1fjm9j6l said:Now.........about that $500..........jmgman69":1fjm9j6l said:Mailman1971":1fjm9j6l said:Do you have $500 for me to borrow......I will pay you back on Tuesday.jmgman69":1fjm9j6l said:It was all about trust!!I do and would do the same for quite a few of you guys here for sure.
Just messing with ya Jason!
I always give the benefit of the doubt as well.
Easier to go thru life that way.
Maybe foolish....but easier then thinking everyone will fuck me over.
again with this
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Business licenses are public record aren't they? It would be a real shame if somehow the franchise owner ended up out around $400 in "damages".
What a shitty situation all around. I think both buyer and seller should take serious lessons away from this unfortunate turn of events. Other than that, I really have nothing to add that hasn't already been stated. If there was ever a need for RT to have a "facepalm" smiley...
I seriously can't believe that someone who was told to "ship it ground" would do anything other than ship it ground. Geez... I thought we were trying to have an adult-like community here. I am actually amazed that the shipper let this happen. I don't blame the seller for being trusting. I prefer to trust, but I also do my homework about who I am dealing with. I would never tarnish my name by allowing such an overcharge to a trusting seller, let alone the owner of the fucking board, who I have never heard a negative word spoken of. I am starting to ramble, but talk about burning brigdes... these forums are the only access I, personally have, to groovy/unusual/high-end gear and knowledge thereof. Maybe we're all better off in blissful ignorance, happy with the junk at the local Guitar Center (that last part was sarcasm
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I dunno about banning, that's not going to solve anything, but at least let us know who we have to babysit if we choose to do business with them on other forums. (like that will ever happen without a massive username overhaul
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What a shitty situation all around. I think both buyer and seller should take serious lessons away from this unfortunate turn of events. Other than that, I really have nothing to add that hasn't already been stated. If there was ever a need for RT to have a "facepalm" smiley...
I seriously can't believe that someone who was told to "ship it ground" would do anything other than ship it ground. Geez... I thought we were trying to have an adult-like community here. I am actually amazed that the shipper let this happen. I don't blame the seller for being trusting. I prefer to trust, but I also do my homework about who I am dealing with. I would never tarnish my name by allowing such an overcharge to a trusting seller, let alone the owner of the fucking board, who I have never heard a negative word spoken of. I am starting to ramble, but talk about burning brigdes... these forums are the only access I, personally have, to groovy/unusual/high-end gear and knowledge thereof. Maybe we're all better off in blissful ignorance, happy with the junk at the local Guitar Center (that last part was sarcasm
)I dunno about banning, that's not going to solve anything, but at least let us know who we have to babysit if we choose to do business with them on other forums. (like that will ever happen without a massive username overhaul
)
King Guitar
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Thanks for all the comments guys.
Long story short I should not of given the guy my account # and trusted he would do as instructed. I assumed he would behave as I would behave and for that at best I am naive and at worst a moron.
That said he knows he is wrong and is selling out his reputation for $400. I sent him this link and told him to post up if he thinks he did the right thing. He just asked to be banned and said he would not post on the board anymore.
Also I did call UPS and the UPS Store in question and got nowhere fast. They pointed back to the guy in possession of my UPS account # and said its was his direction to send it 2nd day air and I have to pay the bill for his choice of shipping method.
I am still trying with them but hope is low I will get anywhere with them.
The bill is $463. In fairness the $63 is probably what it would of cost for regular UPS ground so no wories there so we are talking about the $400 overage.
In the spirit of taking the bullet evenly with the guy I would be willing to split the pain $200 each with the guy but he does not seem willing to do anything here.
I have given him days to respond and I know he is reading this thread. I will give it 24 hours to see if he PM's me to try to make it right if not then I will post up the guys Name and RT Username.
The whole thing sucks and I wish he would of just contacted me and tried to work something out...
Hell he has stuff for sale right now in the classifieds I would take just to try to recoup my loss but he isn't offering up any solutions right now.
Long story short I should not of given the guy my account # and trusted he would do as instructed. I assumed he would behave as I would behave and for that at best I am naive and at worst a moron.
That said he knows he is wrong and is selling out his reputation for $400. I sent him this link and told him to post up if he thinks he did the right thing. He just asked to be banned and said he would not post on the board anymore.
Also I did call UPS and the UPS Store in question and got nowhere fast. They pointed back to the guy in possession of my UPS account # and said its was his direction to send it 2nd day air and I have to pay the bill for his choice of shipping method.
I am still trying with them but hope is low I will get anywhere with them.
The bill is $463. In fairness the $63 is probably what it would of cost for regular UPS ground so no wories there so we are talking about the $400 overage.
In the spirit of taking the bullet evenly with the guy I would be willing to split the pain $200 each with the guy but he does not seem willing to do anything here.
I have given him days to respond and I know he is reading this thread. I will give it 24 hours to see if he PM's me to try to make it right if not then I will post up the guys Name and RT Username.
The whole thing sucks and I wish he would of just contacted me and tried to work something out...
Hell he has stuff for sale right now in the classifieds I would take just to try to recoup my loss but he isn't offering up any solutions right now.
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rareguitar":2ayroa6h said:
Don't let this guy change who you are, Brad. Fuck the 24 hrs. Out him now! It's clear he has no intention of making thing anywhere close to right. Make sure that cab is the LAST thing he ever gets to buy used on the net.
The blood is in the water... give us the meat
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