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InFlames235
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glip22
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Sounds nice. I want an opinion of someone who has a good 2C+ and the new one next to it. It's going to be a great amp but my initial thoughts are it's not going to be the same.Close but not the same. Hope I am wrong. The very high production Mesa will be doing on these is somehow going to have an affect. I have to think the amp is a different design than an original. It has to be if they will sell many thousands of them from a production standpoint. Hope I am wrong as I said. Honestly I don't care what John says. He makes royalties. Dealers are preordering the shit out of the on the hype alone.
suhrimmetal
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glip22":3hdm2lpa said:
Agreed.... and with that being said, JP made the V:25 sound killer... and most were left uninspired when they got their own hands and ears on them. However, the JP2C... damn it does sound good
Looking forward to more 'different' in room demos/clips to get a better picture..... but I am secretly starting to save. 
LP Freak
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I was hoping I would like it but I thought it sounded meh. Must not be my tone. 
glip22
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I am not sure exactly what resistors and coupling caps were used in the original. I assume Orange Drop. Not sure what series. Polyester, 225P. They can't source those now on the scale they need. The old parts they cannot source now will make a big difference regardless if they reverse engineered the 105.suhrimmetal":1x64a3bp said:glip22":1x64a3bp said:
Agreed.... and with that being said, JP made the V:25 sound killer... and most were left uninspired when they got their own hands and ears on them. However, the JP2C... damn it does sound good
Immersed
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glip22":3mdac0dw said:I am not sure exactly what resistors and coupling caps were used in the original. I assume Orange Drop. Not sure what series. Polyester, 225P. They can't source those now on the scale they need. The old parts they cannot source now will make a big difference regardless if they reverse engineered the 105.suhrimmetal":3mdac0dw said:glip22":3mdac0dw said:
Agreed.... and with that being said, JP made the V:25 sound killer... and most were left uninspired when they got their own hands and ears on them. However, the JP2C... damn it does sound good
Trust me, they have enough NOS parts to build anything. That's all I can say.
glip22
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Immersed":280sw57z said:glip22":280sw57z said:I am not sure exactly what resistors and coupling caps were used in the original. I assume Orange Drop. Not sure what series. Polyester, 225P. They can't source those now on the scale they need. The old parts they cannot source now will make a big difference regardless if they reverse engineered the 105.suhrimmetal":280sw57z said:glip22":280sw57z said:
Agreed.... and with that being said, JP made the V:25 sound killer... and most were left uninspired when they got their own hands and ears on them. However, the JP2C... damn it does sound good
Trust me, they have enough NOS parts to build anything. That's all I can say.
You would know for sure.
Is that what they will be using on so many amps? They must have orders for thousands already.
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prodrigu
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Dang, that looks great! I just watched his demo last night.
Get one of those and an FX-8 and yo are good to go. Amazing how these days life is so much simpler...
Get one of those and an FX-8 and yo are good to go. Amazing how these days life is so much simpler...
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jlb32
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I think it sounds good but if the video is any interpretation of how it truly sounds I prefer the Mark IV lead channel way better.
Little B
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Wonder what this will do to the value of real IIC+s? .Either way,.this thing sounded great.
Random Hero
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glip22":3b5tg94m said:
You mean someone like John Petrucci...? I agree man, that would be ideal.
It would be even better if they hadn't, when designing the amp, used the input of some chump who never used a IIC+ for basically his entire career.
mojotone
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InFlames235":3ji0grv2 said:
Watched it. John seems like a very down to earth guy that has not let fame go to his head, and has put a lot of thought into this amps' design. With that being said, it is a copy of HIS favorite C+, which maybe not be mine or yours.
Anybody else notice that there is no microphone in front of the 4x12? Probably another cab in the isolation booth for video purposes.
As far as this amp tanking the used value for the original C+ amps, not at my house. None of them are for sale, unless I am down to potted meat and saltines to eat! And I will have to run out of both of those first.
glip22
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He's endorsed and making royalties on the amp, and getting publicity, so no. Part of the deal I am sure is that he uses the amp live and talks it up. I don't trust his opinion at all. He accomplished his goal. To sell thousands of amps and in the process get some major publicity for Dream Theaters new release. Or do I have that the other way around. I don't blame him.Random Hero":6jiqcd5x said:
I will wait for the real word to come out after release. It won't be hard to get one if it's that good. His demo did nothing for me, other than it having great features. I did not hear that raw, harmonically rich tone.
If you look online you will see boatloads of dealers pre-selling these. That means each dealer has on order many amps. I would guess Mesa has orders for a couple of thousand amps. Time will tell.
Random Hero
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glip22":3jazxq9c said:
In theory, perhaps you're bang on, but I don't think a guy like John Petrucci is helping to sell the volume of amps that you seem to think is going to make him a rich man on that alone. I'm not denying he has a horse in the race, but why spend all that time with the design, why commit to a project, and why on earth take one on the road when he can use literally anything? He's constantly touring and therefore probably making enough money that he isn't depending on or hoping to feed his family on his royalty cheque from Mesa. The man isn't an idiot, no, but he also doesn't seem to be the type to play anything. As far as I can tell, he uses what he endorses.
I saw his video comparing the IIC+ to the V and, honestly, I thought they both sounded great, with little difference. I've also owned a IIC+ and two Mark IVs. Yes, there are differences, but I don't personally find them as vast as the hype would suggest. The IIC+ is no doubt a wonderful sounding amp but I have no doubt the JP-2C will be just as wonderful and a whole world more versatile on stage. Why are we so quick to assume it isn't a recreation? It's about 30 years in the making, they've had more than enough time to source what they need. That said, I'm sure that the forums will be rife with tales of how it doesn't have the same "harmonic richness", or the same "juicy lower mids" or some other such buzzwords, but most of that isn't real world. And people hear what they want to hear, and believe what they want to believe.
The alternative is that maybe I have cloth ears, but as playing is my job, I like to think I don't. YMMV as ever.
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Shiny_Surface
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Best to assume this amp won't sound/feel like the original imo. Even if it was an actual reissue it wouldn't sound the same. It's a pre-wired take using their current construction methods based on his preferences. I would hazard a guess most 2C+ owners don't have them because of Petrucci... 
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Racerxrated
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I have one, and not based on Hetfield or JP tone. Like a lot of us here on RT I just want to try as many top shelf amps as I can, and as I've slowed down my amp flipping I've decided that the 2C+ will never leave. It has the low end tightness I like, the upper mids when dialed in like a Marshall and most importantly to me the clarity of an SLO. When I slave it into a Strategy 400 its unreal. I've had many modded Marshalls, Mark 3s, SLOs, stock Marshalls...to me the way I set up the 2C+ it has a little of every great amp I've had rolled into one package. Gigged with it last night and some musicians came out. They all asked me what I was playing through. One of them also has a regular Sturgis gig as a sound guy. He's run for some heavy hitters over the years. He said my tone was the best he's ever heard. Not my playing(Shiny_Surface":ne7lk5yg said:Best to assume this amp won't sound/feel like the original imo. Even if it was an actual reissue it wouldn't sound the same. It's a pre-wired take using their current construction methods based on his preferences. I would hazard a guess most 2C+ owners don't have them because of Petrucci...
) but the tone. They really are special amps.
Speeddemon
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My thoughts:
1) he showed the clean sound NOT clean! (there was some added chorus and delay)
2) my Mark V:25's clean sounds better to ME than that. More chimey/open. And I've seen better sounding Mark V:25 youtube vids too
3) why not demonstrate the effect of turning Shred on and off when playing the same riff? Wasted opportunity.
4) Mr. Petrucci (or his mastering editor) must not like too much high-end, as I found the overall tone of the amp on the dull side of things. Quite thick and smooth yes, but could've used some more 'air'.
5) FX-Loop not switchable via its footswitch?!
(only via MIDI)
Besides, I love the Mark V's Crunch and Extreme mode too much to get invested in this.
A 3 channel Mark V:40 (2x 6L6 or EL34), switchable to 10 or 5W, with reverb, where each channel is dual or triple mode, in a smallish headshell (20" or 24") and the fx-loop footswitchable,
Channel 1: Clean/Fat(/Edge)
Channel 2: Crunch/IIC+/(Twang)...or just CRUNCH only!
Channel 3: Mark IV/Xtreme.
Done.
1) he showed the clean sound NOT clean! (there was some added chorus and delay)
2) my Mark V:25's clean sounds better to ME than that. More chimey/open. And I've seen better sounding Mark V:25 youtube vids too
3) why not demonstrate the effect of turning Shred on and off when playing the same riff? Wasted opportunity.
4) Mr. Petrucci (or his mastering editor) must not like too much high-end, as I found the overall tone of the amp on the dull side of things. Quite thick and smooth yes, but could've used some more 'air'.
5) FX-Loop not switchable via its footswitch?!
(only via MIDI)Besides, I love the Mark V's Crunch and Extreme mode too much to get invested in this.
A 3 channel Mark V:40 (2x 6L6 or EL34), switchable to 10 or 5W, with reverb, where each channel is dual or triple mode, in a smallish headshell (20" or 24") and the fx-loop footswitchable,
Channel 1: Clean/Fat(/Edge)
Channel 2: Crunch/IIC+/(Twang)...or just CRUNCH only!
Channel 3: Mark IV/Xtreme.
Done.
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Racerxrated
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I haven't heard of anyone who owns a 2C+, trying a MK V and then selling the 2C+. Usually the other way around. The MKV doesn't measure up. No doubt the Mk V is a great amp on its own merit. Its just not a 2C+. Looking forward to someone here who has an original A/B ing the two.
blackba
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Racerxrated":28ftel4w said:I haven't heard of anyone who owns a 2C+, trying a MK V and then selling the 2C+. Usually the other way around. The MKV doesn't measure up. No doubt the Mk V is a great amp on its own merit. Its just not a 2C+. Looking forward to someone here who has an original A/B ing the two.
I am also hoping someone will AB the JP to the Mark III, IV, and V.
As a long time mark IVA owner, its going to be hard for me to displace it. I don't have any open amp slots either, so if I get the JP, something must go.