Recommend me an Amp!

[Mr. Willy]

Also second what someone else said about trying different speakers. Eminence are smooth, Celestions are raw and crunchy. That's an oversimplification, but it's generally accurate. Definitely try your amp through a quad of reissue Greenbacks. Crunch city and great for metal, IMHO.

 

[Jaek-Chi]

Thanks for the input Mr Willy Again seem to be getting more votes for the Fryettes. I might look into a new cab as well Took me so long to finally get a Vader haha. I heard it first with a Krank Revolution, and it was the most crushing tone i'd heard in a looooong time. I wanted one instantly. 2 years later i got one. And i've played about 23546126436 cabs with V30's... I never took too much notice but are they really that much crunchier? I know the Vader's have sort of a 'bigger' and slightly smoother tone, but found them pretty crushing overall.

 

[Jaek-Chi]

Also, thank you everyone who has taken the time to actually read through my disgustingly long essay about what i'm looking for and respond haha.

 

[Beyond Black]

Also second what someone else said about trying different speakers. Eminence are smooth, Celestions are raw and crunchy. That's an oversimplification, but it's generally accurate. Definitely try your amp through a quad of reissue Greenbacks. Crunch city and great for metal, IMHO.

From my experience with Eminence and Celestion, I totally agree with this.

 

[godgrinder]

Bloody hell, they must be the goods then. My warpig is a giant step above any other pickups i've used, whether active or passive.

BKP stuff are great, especially if you upgraded from the usual EMG/Duncan stuff you would've felt the big improvement on clarity etc. However out of the BKP range I don't think the alnico warpig is the best choice for what you are after.

The Deathbucker is a bit out in the left field which you might or might not like.

 

[Jaek-Chi]

In what sense is the Deathbucker different? Does it have more or less Clarity? More of less low end? More or less crunch?

 

[Mr. Willy]

Thanks for the input Mr Willy Again seem to be getting more votes for the Fryettes. I might look into a new cab as well Took me so long to finally get a Vader haha. I heard it first with a Krank Revolution, and it was the most crushing tone i'd heard in a looooong time. I wanted one instantly. 2 years later i got one. And i've played about 23546126436 cabs with V30's... I never took too much notice but are they really that much crunchier? I know the Vader's have sort of a 'bigger' and slightly smoother tone, but found them pretty crushing overall.

As long as your cab is well constructed, the biggest difference in tone is going to be your speakers and whether they're front or rear mounted. That probably goes without saying, but for the sake of covering all bases is relevant to this conversation. I love me some V30s. My overall favorite speaker. But since you said crunch and metal in the same description, reissue Greenbacks are the ticket for that. For reference to this sound, think Megadeth's Rust in Peace album. Keep in mind if you go looking for Greenbacks that they're not all the same. The main difference (to me) between them is the db sensitivity. The 20 watters are 96db, reissue 98db, and Heritage 30 watt 55hz and 75hz are 100db (like V30s). Seriously, try your amp through a quad of Greenbacks and see if that might the only change you need.

 

[godgrinder]

In what sense is the Deathbucker different? Does it have more or less Clarity? More of less low end? More or less crunch?

It's got a bit of noiseless single coil vibe going on, which some people might not really like.

I found its clarity on par with BKP's. Frequency wise the low end is quite tight, slight dip in the lower mids, bump in the higher mids, bright but not shrill.

 

[Miniman]

Fishman Fluence Modern! Best Pickups for a tight metal sound...

 

[Jaek-Chi]

Thanks for the input Mr Willy Again seem to be getting more votes for the Fryettes. I might look into a new cab as well Took me so long to finally get a Vader haha. I heard it first with a Krank Revolution, and it was the most crushing tone i'd heard in a looooong time. I wanted one instantly. 2 years later i got one. And i've played about 23546126436 cabs with V30's... I never took too much notice but are they really that much crunchier? I know the Vader's have sort of a 'bigger' and slightly smoother tone, but found them pretty crushing overall.

As long as your cab is well constructed, the biggest difference in tone is going to be your speakers and whether they're front or rear mounted. That probably goes without saying, but for the sake of covering all bases is relevant to this conversation. I love me some V30s. My overall favorite speaker. But since you said crunch and metal in the same description, reissue Greenbacks are the ticket for that. For reference to this sound, think Megadeth's Rust in Peace album. Keep in mind if you go looking for Greenbacks that they're not all the same. The main difference (to me) between them is the db sensitivity. The 20 watters are 96db, reissue 98db, and Heritage 30 watt 55hz and 75hz are 100db (like V30s). Seriously, try your amp through a quad of Greenbacks and see if that might the only change you need.

For me it's hard to find cabs anywhere because there is nothing here in Perth, and people wont (or they will be its expensive) to have them shipped from anywhere else. I could look at new cabs but i don't wanna fork out 1500+ bucks for a new cab.

Would you suggest putting Greenbacks in the Vader cab? I know bugger all about cabs past the point of the actual speakers and their wattage haha.

 

[metalmaniac93]

Fairly new to the forum, so firstly, hey hey all y'all

I'm a bit of a one trick pony, i play very few cleans, and zero old school rock stuff. I'm looking for the (or should i say MY) ultimate high gain tone. I'm hoping with the explanation of tone i'm chasing people can give me some good recommendations as i'm sick of wasting money buying amps and trying to sell them to fund the next. I feel as though i'm pretty close to getting my sound, but want some other's opinions as i've read many great opinions and am sure you can all help.

The tone i'm chasing:
I play a lot of death metal, melodic death metal, technical death metal, even through to some deathcore, metalcore, nu-metal etc. All the amps i hear seem to have way too much bottom end and a loose, wide tone. I'm after an articulate, sharp, focussed tone. I like a really crunchy, gain tone. I've used many amps - 6505's, randalls (RH300G3, Satan), Splawn nitro, Laney GH100L, ENGL Fireball, Blackstars, MI Megalith Beta, Dual Recs etc. And nothing has really done it for me. I liked the 6505's and the Randall Satan, but not nearly enough. In all honesty the Fireball has by far my favourite tone. It does lack the overall power of say the 6505's, or the Megalith, but i'm happy to sacrifice a bit of that if i'm getting a sharper, crunchier (i'm sure people would say older sort of metal) sound. I've just bought an ENGL savage which is on it's way, and i am confident this will give me the closest of any amp i've played so far. I've read everything under the sun (as not to have to write a big thread like this asking for opinions, but i'm tired of losing heaps of money).

Some riffs/songs i like the tone of:
There are 2 riffs/songs that stand out to me to have crushing tone, and to me crushing is not just boomy and bassy, its more about the sharpness and attack you feel when you crank it and feel the tone punch you in the chest.
1. Carnal Forge - I Smell Like Death
As soon as this song starts, i instantly think about the tone. Now i would like a little more overall bottom end, but this is the kind of crunch and tone that does it for me.
2. Animals As Leaders - CAFO
at about 2:20, everything stops bar the guitaring, playing some amazing open chords. It has so much feel in it, and sounds amazing in my opinion.

Amps that i'm considering:
As previously said i have an ENGL savage on the way which gives me confidence. Hopefully this will do me the trick, but i'm also keeping the following in mind:
Rivera Knucklehead
VHT/Fryette Pitbull UL
Earforce Two (know very little about these)
Driftwood Purple Nightmare

Amps i've considered but think wont be suitable:
Bogner Uberschall
Diezel VH4/Herbet/Hagen etc
ENGL Invader


My other Gear:
I am currently using the following as my main setup (what i play with most)
ESP MH1000NT, with a BKP Alnico Warpig in the bridge
Vader 4x12 w/ Factory Eminence Legend Speakers
ISP Noise Decimator
Maxon OD808X Tube Screamer

Any opinions would be absolutely great. I'd also like to add, i've never got too much into the Marshall's. Played one or two briefly but certainly not enough to totally write them off. The other thing is, i live in Western Australia... Unfortunately, you don't find much else apart from Marshall/Fender/Randall/Laney/Peavey etc, so i can't really just walk into a shop and try something out.

Thanks in advance fellow Rig-Talkers!

Jake

I owned the Engl Savage 120 (older version that is) and it slays for what you want to play. My buddy has it now and it is a killer amp IMO!!!

 

[Jaek-Chi]

Thanks mate. I know the fireball has made me happier than most, and everything i've read seems as though this will be suitable for me. Fingers crossed Even if this works for me, in time i'll want to try others too so the info on other amps will help. I currently have 5 amps haha.

 

[Jaek-Chi]

Thanks for the input Mr Willy Again seem to be getting more votes for the Fryettes. I might look into a new cab as well Took me so long to finally get a Vader haha. I heard it first with a Krank Revolution, and it was the most crushing tone i'd heard in a looooong time. I wanted one instantly. 2 years later i got one. And i've played about 23546126436 cabs with V30's... I never took too much notice but are they really that much crunchier? I know the Vader's have sort of a 'bigger' and slightly smoother tone, but found them pretty crushing overall.

As long as your cab is well constructed, the biggest difference in tone is going to be your speakers and whether they're front or rear mounted. That probably goes without saying, but for the sake of covering all bases is relevant to this conversation. I love me some V30s. My overall favorite speaker. But since you said crunch and metal in the same description, reissue Greenbacks are the ticket for that. For reference to this sound, think Megadeth's Rust in Peace album. Keep in mind if you go looking for Greenbacks that they're not all the same. The main difference (to me) between them is the db sensitivity. The 20 watters are 96db, reissue 98db, and Heritage 30 watt 55hz and 75hz are 100db (like V30s). Seriously, try your amp through a quad of Greenbacks and see if that might the only change you need.

Having trouble finding info on the 'reissue'. Are these the ones?

http://celestion.com/product/16/G12M_Greenback/

 

[metalmaniac93]

Thanks for the input Mr Willy Again seem to be getting more votes for the Fryettes. I might look into a new cab as well Took me so long to finally get a Vader haha. I heard it first with a Krank Revolution, and it was the most crushing tone i'd heard in a looooong time. I wanted one instantly. 2 years later i got one. And i've played about 23546126436 cabs with V30's... I never took too much notice but are they really that much crunchier? I know the Vader's have sort of a 'bigger' and slightly smoother tone, but found them pretty crushing overall.

As long as your cab is well constructed, the biggest difference in tone is going to be your speakers and whether they're front or rear mounted. That probably goes without saying, but for the sake of covering all bases is relevant to this conversation. I love me some V30s. My overall favorite speaker. But since you said crunch and metal in the same description, reissue Greenbacks are the ticket for that. For reference to this sound, think Megadeth's Rust in Peace album. Keep in mind if you go looking for Greenbacks that they're not all the same. The main difference (to me) between them is the db sensitivity. The 20 watters are 96db, reissue 98db, and Heritage 30 watt 55hz and 75hz are 100db (like V30s). Seriously, try your amp through a quad of Greenbacks and see if that might the only change you need.

Having trouble finding info on the 'reissue'. Are these the ones?

http://celestion.com/product/16/G12M_Greenback/

Yes they are.

 

[Jaek-Chi]

Cheers, thanks mate Any cabs that use these standard? I know Framus Cobra's use Greenbacks but no idea which ones.

 

[Jaek-Chi]

Any cabs that use them that are a little more.... lets say modern looking than a marshall 1960AX/BX/TV? haha

 

[Jaek-Chi]

To give another idea, i've just found probably the closest thing to the tone i want. Insomnium on 'Above the weeping world' album. The tone on 'At the gates of sleep' is my idea of absolutely incredible tone.

 

[vicknott]

Do you like Decapitated ? I think their guitar sound is awesome and suits your style. EVH 5150 !

 

[Racerxrated]

As far as GBs go, the 1960 classic cab came with them, cones date from the late 80s-90s and are very desirable. The Marshall vintage modern cabs came with my favorite, the G12C greenback. A bit darker/smoother than the G12M. You can't buy those from celestion, has to be a special order from Marshall. The Framus cabs with the metal grill, the Cobra cab, are supposed to come with G12Ms. I had a VM cab that I ran with a 5153 50, sounded great. Very heavy.

 

[Racerxrated]

As others have said, getting the right cab/speaker combo is huge. You may find that it was the speakers all along. I liked my Mesa with G12 65s, but when I paired it with V30s...its all over.