Rockstah got his hands on a Mojave Peacemaker and is modding

[Greazygeo]

I don't think you sound harsh - and yeah, I totally agree - I bash an A chord on a 5150, then bash an A chord on an old Marshall - huge sound difference and my fingers are doing nothing Now in the G-Dec video I referenced, I personally think the basic tone is dark and in the ballpark of what I'm used to hearing him sound like. I basically attribute that to he dialed that amp in to what he likes. I never meant to imply EJ could get his tone from a 5150 -not knocking a 5150, but I think it would be hard pressed to get an EJ tone!

I'll do some clips once I get my mixer figured out, I think you'll be surprised.

 

[mixohoytian]

finger transplant
that's the ticket
myeaah see?

Listen kid...... if tone is in the fingers, why did you ever get rid of your Dual Rectifier and your Triaxis? If tone is in the fingers wouldn't you sound the same through those and the Peacemaker?

Freakin' noobs

eddie's fingers
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tele
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bogner xtc
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search over

 

[Greazygeo]

The tone in the fingers thing always makes me laugh because Ive heard many different tones comming from EVH.

Would this be in person or recordings?

 

[dstroud]

I don't think you sound harsh - and yeah, I totally agree - I bash an A chord on a 5150, then bash an A chord on an old Marshall - huge sound difference and my fingers are doing nothing Now in the G-Dec video I referenced, I personally think the basic tone is dark and in the ballpark of what I'm used to hearing him sound like. I basically attribute that to he dialed that amp in to what he likes. I never meant to imply EJ could get his tone from a 5150 -not knocking a 5150, but I think it would be hard pressed to get an EJ tone!

I'll do some clips once I get my mixer figured out, I think you'll be surprised.

haha, I knew you would chime in on that! And if I know anyone that could get an EJ vibe out of a 5150 - you'd do it!

edit - lemme guess, you gonna boost the clean channel set on crunch? That I could see, but the normal gain channel, that's the one I think would be hard to get.

 

[Gainfreak]

The tone in the fingers thing always makes me laugh because Ive heard many different tones comming from EVH.

Would this be in person or recordings?

Both. been 2nd row twice and there is no one on this planet whose going to tell me that his 5150 tone sounds like his Marshall live or otherwise

 

[Greazygeo]

haha, I knew you would chime in on that! And if I know anyone that could get an EJ vibe out of a 5150 - you'd do it!

edit - lemme guess, you gonna boost the clean channel set on crunch? That I could see, but the normal gain channel, that's the one I think would be hard to get.

It won't sound like EJ. I meant to say that you would be hard pressed to tell which amp is which....

 

[dstroud]

haha, I knew you would chime in on that! And if I know anyone that could get an EJ vibe out of a 5150 - you'd do it!

edit - lemme guess, you gonna boost the clean channel set on crunch? That I could see, but the normal gain channel, that's the one I think would be hard to get.

It won't sound like EJ. I meant to say that you would be hard pressed to tell which amp is which....

I see, it's gonna sound like George through either one . So are you using the gain channel of the 5150 and getting Marshall tones? Or are you boosting the crunch channel?

 

[mixohoytian]

The tone in the fingers thing always makes me laugh because Ive heard many different tones comming from EVH.

Would this be in person or recordings?

my fingers comment was just to get Chubtone riled up

the thing about recording:
eddies actual sound in the tracking room probably did not sound the same as the album
producers do all kinds of things to the tone

as far as getting hung up on little subtleties...yes I'd say the final ingredient is fingers (plus you have to get vhII finger implants vs his fingers in 1978)

on that other forum, I don't get it,
peacemaker stale? fizzy?
no way

I'm not an eddie expert
why did his tone sound a bit different head on each of the early albums?

VH 2 is my fav, very, natural organic
vh-1 sounds to me more like production techniques
women and children seems thin? or thinner?
I like fair warning tone
1984 seems compressed

 

[70strathead]

The tone in the fingers thing always makes me laugh because Ive heard many different tones comming from EVH.

Would this be in person or recordings?

my fingers comment was just to get Chubtone riled up

the thing about recording:
eddies actual sound in the tracking room probably did not sound the same as the album
producers do all kinds of things to the tone

as far as getting hung up on little subtleties...yes I'd say the final ingredient is fingers (plus you have to get vhII finger implants vs his fingers in 1978)

on that other forum, I don't get it,
peacemaker stale? fizzy?
no way

I'm not an eddie expert
why did his tone sound a bit different head on each of the early albums?

VH 2 is my fav, very, natural organic
vh-1 sounds to me more like production techniques
women and children seems thin? or thinner?
I like fair warning tone
1984 seems compressed

i agree VH 2 is my fav and for some voodoo reason he got that sound on that live tour...then i dont know what changed?? women and children first seems really gainy, i had heard he used dimarzio super distortions on that, but of course that could be a lie too

 

[Greazygeo]

I see, it's gonna sound like George through either one . So are you using the gain channel of the 5150 and getting Marshall tones? Or are you boosting the crunch channel?

Yeah either one really. The trick I guess is using the "normal" gain input and lots of volume. The "High" gain input is the crappy tone side

The rhythm channel with the crunch button in is pretty old school sounding....

 

[Greazygeo]

The tone in the fingers thing always makes me laugh because Ive heard many different tones comming from EVH.

Would this be in person or recordings?

my fingers comment was just to get Chubtone riled up

the thing about recording:
eddies actual sound in the tracking room probably did not sound the same as the album
producers do all kinds of things to the tone

as far as getting hung up on little subtleties...yes I'd say the final ingredient is fingers (plus you have to get vhII finger implants vs his fingers in 1978)

on that other forum, I don't get it,
peacemaker stale? fizzy?
no way

I'm not an eddie expert
why did his tone sound a bit different head on each of the early albums?

VH 2 is my fav, very, natural organic
vh-1 sounds to me more like production techniques
women and children seems thin? or thinner?
I like fair warning tone
1984 seems compressed

I'd say it's more production techniques....I'm guessing the first album was not at Eddies studio....when did that come into the picture? Different tape machines, compressors etc....

His fingers did get more alcohol soaked in the later years...that combined with the cigs are probably what changed the tone so much later on.

 

[jerrydyer]

Mark will disagree but I still say 90% in the hands. You either have it or you dont. The feel, the swing of it, the way a note is fretted, struck, muted. Mark can probably make any amp have a VH feel to it.

It's like Eric Johnson on a G-Dec - when he's playing that thing, there's no question it's his tone - on a G-Dec! Which is a nice little practice amp.

Yeah sure..... Take off all the jape and then tell me its the same tone he gets comming from his Marshall. Just saying. A lot of that sound is him mimicking the assload of effects he uses for his live setting.

Those effects are part of his tone - that Crossroads video where the Marshall is dry - I don't think it sounds very good. Point I was actually making is that even though the frequency spectrum each amps hit is different, you still know it's him based on his licks, touch, etc...

That's technique Bro... Not tone or at least my definition of tone. Tone is why you can tell someone is playing a boogie vs a marhshall vs a vox etc etc. Technique is where you can distinguish a player. Plug ANYONE and I mean ANYONE into a rockman and guess what.....It's going to sound like a rockman.
Now when a guitar player starts playing some lead work and if the said person has a unique technique like EVH or EJ.. you will be able to tell who it is but the underlying tone is still going to sound like a rockman.
By most people definition if tone came from the fingers why cant anyone make a rockman sound like a boogie?

The thing that gets me is that there is a difference or at least to my ears between tone and technique. The tone in the fingers thing always makes me laugh because Ive heard many different tones comming from EVH.
Now keep in mind that I do acknowledge that a person technique can change the tone but tone is not 100 percent in either.

I don't even need to argue with Jerry on this because Marks earlier work clearly did not have the sound he has now. Am I supposed to thing that he changed his fingers now that he has achieved the sound?

Just debating with you guys and my replies aren't meant to sound harsh.!!

I had no idea we were arguing. I even said Mark would disagree with my opinion. I feel you can either play VH type stuff or you cant. Wouldnt matter what amp you had if you cant play. Thats my only point. If i want to argue I can go to HCAF.

 

[Gainfreak]

Mark will disagree but I still say 90% in the hands. You either have it or you dont. The feel, the swing of it, the way a note is fretted, struck, muted. Mark can probably make any amp have a VH feel to it.

It's like Eric Johnson on a G-Dec - when he's playing that thing, there's no question it's his tone - on a G-Dec! Which is a nice little practice amp.

Yeah sure..... Take off all the jape and then tell me its the same tone he gets comming from his Marshall. Just saying. A lot of that sound is him mimicking the assload of effects he uses for his live setting.

Those effects are part of his tone - that Crossroads video where the Marshall is dry - I don't think it sounds very good. Point I was actually making is that even though the frequency spectrum each amps hit is different, you still know it's him based on his licks, touch, etc...

That's technique Bro... Not tone or at least my definition of tone. Tone is why you can tell someone is playing a boogie vs a marhshall vs a vox etc etc. Technique is where you can distinguish a player. Plug ANYONE and I mean ANYONE into a rockman and guess what.....It's going to sound like a rockman.
Now when a guitar player starts playing some lead work and if the said person has a unique technique like EVH or EJ.. you will be able to tell who it is but the underlying tone is still going to sound like a rockman.
By most people definition if tone came from the fingers why cant anyone make a rockman sound like a boogie?

The thing that gets me is that there is a difference or at least to my ears between tone and technique. The tone in the fingers thing always makes me laugh because Ive heard many different tones comming from EVH.
Now keep in mind that I do acknowledge that a person technique can change the tone but tone is not 100 percent in either.

I don't even need to argue with Jerry on this because Marks earlier work clearly did not have the sound he has now. Am I supposed to thing that he changed his fingers now that he has achieved the sound?

Just debating with you guys and my replies aren't meant to sound harsh.!!

I had no idea we were arguing. I even said Mark would disagree with my opinion. I feel you can either play VH type stuff or you cant. Wouldnt matter what amp you had if you cant play. Thats my only point. If i want to argue I can go to HCAF.

Im not arguing I'm just don't agree with you and I guess I'm just saying that Im with mark on this...... That is all.
One of the points Ive made is that ive heard guys who couldn't really play EVH nail that sound. Im just talking seperating tone from technique.

 

[jerrydyer]

 

[Gainfreak]

 

[Chubtone]

my fingers comment was just to get Chubtone riled up

Watch it punk. I've killed for less.

 

[Anonymous]

if one can play vh they can do it on acoustic or electric. the naysayer will be depressed/ end of story or get an amp with even more gain.

 

[Chubtone]

So for those not watching that other thread. Rockstah just got finished returning the previously modded Peacemaker back to correct Peacemaker specs. He said that whoever designed and built it definitely knew his "stuff". He said it sounds killer but just not quite right for EVH tones. I asked him to do a stock Peacemaker clip to see how close he can get to EVH with it. As many of you know, for years people have said that they didn't believe the amp used to create the Peacemaker clips was the same as what became the production Peacemaker. I don't agree with this, but I have found that I have never been able to get mine to sound like Vic's clips or Rockstah's Marshall clips. If Rockstah can do it with a stock Peacemaker, well.... that would answer a lot of questions.

We shall see.

 

[Chubtone]

if one can play vh they can do it on acoustic or electric. the naysayer will be depressed/ end of story or get an amp with even more gain.

No one is talking about an amp helping to to be able to "play" Van Halen, we are saying play Van Halen with similar or exact tone. I don't think "I'm the One" on an acoustic would have had quite as much impact, even of Eddie himself had played it......

 

[Anonymous]

im not talking about an amp that will help you with vh, thats the last thing im talking about. if you can play it then you should be able to do everything unplugged on an electric that is vs. plugged in. do you need a hot rodded acoustic to play orange blossom special?