Scott Henderson Sounds off on Internet/Music Business

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I'm not really into modern classical. I don't hate it but it isn't what I want to do. I am doing this because my degree was close to being finished so I decided to go finish it.

I'll be okay, I'm just trying to get myself more motivated to get things done.[/quote]

you'll feel a lot better when you finish it
it's more about the accomplishment than the art
I nearly gave up cause I had no desire to finish piano proficiency
a measly 1 unit :-)
 
stephen sawall":1wfqjb7e said:
OldSkoolNJ":1wfqjb7e said:
stephen sawall":1wfqjb7e said:
Things have changed forever. Just wonder whats next ?

Licensing fee's on Tribute bands??
Royalty fee's for Cover/Top 40 bands?

There was a lot of lawsuit talk last year regarding music on Juke boxes and the places they are in too..

It is already in place in some places. I know guys that pay to cover other peoples material.
Exactly why I change the words slightly, modernize the riffs(I play classic rock) and hide all my real money very very well.
 
mixohoytian":2q750fw9 said:
you'll feel a lot better when you finish it
it's more about the accomplishment than the art
I nearly gave up cause I had no desire to finish piano proficiency
a measly 1 unit :-)

No kidding! Your schedule gets filled with 1 and 2 credit hour courses that take more up more time than any science or math class. :doh:

BTW

The quoting is kicking your butt! :D
 
thisguy":1zxg47g5 said:
mixohoytian":1zxg47g5 said:
you'll feel a lot better when you finish it
it's more about the accomplishment than the art
I nearly gave up cause I had no desire to finish piano proficiency
a measly 1 unit :-)

No kidding! Your schedule gets filled with 1 and 2 credit hour courses that take more up more time than any science or math class. :doh:

BTW

The quoting is kicking your butt! :D
:doh:
 
degenaro":1k0rbc1w said:
kasperjensen":1k0rbc1w said:
I remember doing my theses on this subject at Audio Engineering college...

I raised the point that the a lot of the problem lies in how we perceive our actions.
If you are born before 1990, you will most likely have spent your first years in life without internet. Internet and P2P comes along, and suddenly you can get your favourite music for free.
You know, and have been told, that this is in fact illegal, and can have serious ramifications should you get caught.
But does it seem illegal to you? No.
It seems illegal to rob a bank or a grocery store, because that is how you are raised. And you know that police are gonna get ya.
But sitting in your office or bedroom and downloading Beyonce? Doesn't really seem like a crime does it? And what are the chances of getting caught?
The minute people start getting busted left right and centre, things are gonna change. But which police force has time to recover Metallicas lost profit?

I think we simply have to accept that this is the order of the day. People steal music, and unless you can offer them a good alternative, then they are going to keep doing it.
Subscription services seem like the way forward. It has to be cheap, fast, and extremely high quality. And really flippin easy!
We must realise that selling albums at $16 (or whatever the price is) just isn't the way forward.
I think that we must also realise that the level of playing and innovation has been raised a lot since the 60s. And more people have the means to release their songs. So therefore the competition is just getting more and more vicious.
Do you really think that Santana could make it, if he was to start out today?
How has the level of playing been raised since the 60s? Maybe in a given genre like Rock. As in Rock guys finally caught up to the ability of guys in other genres.

I think what I meant to say was that there are a lot more really good players around today. This is the impression I get when talking to musicians that have been around for a long time.
 
degenaro":1xhrampm said:
OldSkoolNJ":1xhrampm said:
stephen sawall":1xhrampm said:
Things have changed forever. Just wonder whats next ?

Licensing fee's on Tribute bands??
Royalty fee's for Cover/Top 40 bands?

There was a lot of lawsuit talk last year regarding music on Juke boxes and the places they are in too..
Always has been there...just happens to be the venues responsibility. I love this entitlement shit...you're perfectly happy to make money off some one else's work, but have an issue for them to get paid?

Who said anything about entitlement?? certainly not me...

I am :lol: :LOL: at your bitterness towards people playing for free though.. :thumbsup:
 
OldSkoolNJ":34zqegmq said:
Who said anything about entitlement?? certainly not me...
I am :lol: :LOL: at your bitterness towards people playing for free though.. :thumbsup:
If the demand is there, the cash is as well.
 
Was there ever a time where average Joe musicians made a comfortable living doing it? I don't know that this is anything new.
 
sah5150":1q9b7rlu said:
Randy Van Sykes":1q9b7rlu said:
sah5150":1q9b7rlu said:
I feel bad for musicians these days because music is free now and there is no going back. The only way to make money is playing live now...

Steve

When you play out live, your audience is right there in front of you. Do what some smart artists are doing, get their money!

A CD is real cheap to make. Add an extra $5 - $10 to the admission price and hand out a CD to everyone that has paid to see you play. If you play to a lot of people in a year you'll sell a ton CD's.
Then let Billboard know how many albums you've sold and watch your CD shoot up the charts. :thumbsup:
What I see bands doing is charging $20 more for admission and handing out nothing.

Nobody wants a CD and no one wants a whole album anymore (except other musicians). They just want the one song they decided they like and they want it for free. What is the point of making and handing out a CD?

Steve

I totally agree. I haven't bought a CD since 1999. As a storage medium they totally suck. They're cumbersome and annoying to deal with, they scratch up, and eventually stop working and then what do you have? A $20 beer coaster that's what. Give me digital music on my home webserver that I can get to from anywhere I have a web browser (phone, ipod touch, laptop, etc...), and doesn't degrade over time.

Fuck a CD. Give me digital music I can do whatever I want with and keep the beer coasters for yourself.
 
Rogue":wwv7v8to said:
OldSkoolNJ":wwv7v8to said:
Who said anything about entitlement?? certainly not me...
I am :lol: :LOL: at your bitterness towards people playing for free though.. :thumbsup:
If the demand is there, the cash is as well.


in Hollywood
you need to be in a hughey lewis tribute band or whatever to make money
or play top 40 at bars
 
OldSkoolNJ":c7ykx26b said:
degenaro":c7ykx26b said:
OldSkoolNJ":c7ykx26b said:
stephen sawall":c7ykx26b said:
Things have changed forever. Just wonder whats next ?

Licensing fee's on Tribute bands??
Royalty fee's for Cover/Top 40 bands?

There was a lot of lawsuit talk last year regarding music on Juke boxes and the places they are in too..
Always has been there...just happens to be the venues responsibility. I love this entitlement shit...you're perfectly happy to make money off some one else's work, but have an issue for them to get paid?

Who said anything about entitlement?? certainly not me...

I am :lol: :LOL: at your bitterness towards people playing for free though.. :thumbsup:
Where am I bitter? I have an issue with guys be willing to not charge or under cut others. For the live of me I can't see why any one does any job for free...

As for entitlement, your OP was "what's next royalties on Top 40" which implies they shouldn't be paid. Now that IS entitlement.
 
mixohoytian":2fuxeqb7 said:
in Hollywood
you need to be in a hughey lewis tribute band
Yeah, but they're all still lookin' for a new drug or anything that helps them to forget the mess they're in financially :yes:
 
mixohoytian":2kj3m5vi said:
in Hollywood
you need to be in a hughey lewis tribute band or whatever to make money
or play top 40 at bars
Well, if that what the demand is. :dunno:

It might suck, but it is what it is.

Why should someone pay someone extra if no one wants to listen to them?
 
degenaro":2tdcz7ch said:
OldSkoolNJ":2tdcz7ch said:
degenaro":2tdcz7ch said:
OldSkoolNJ":2tdcz7ch said:
stephen sawall":2tdcz7ch said:
Things have changed forever. Just wonder whats next ?

Licensing fee's on Tribute bands??
Royalty fee's for Cover/Top 40 bands?

There was a lot of lawsuit talk last year regarding music on Juke boxes and the places they are in too..
Always has been there...just happens to be the venues responsibility. I love this entitlement shit...you're perfectly happy to make money off some one else's work, but have an issue for them to get paid?

Who said anything about entitlement?? certainly not me...

I am :lol: :LOL: at your bitterness towards people playing for free though.. :thumbsup:
Where am I bitter? I have an issue with guys be willing to not charge or under cut others. For the live of me I can't see why any one does any job for free...

As for entitlement, your OP was "what's next royalties on Top 40" which implies they shouldn't be paid. Now that IS entitlement.

I wasn't implying anything other than suggestion of what would be next.
I know the jukebox thing has always be done but apparently some of the other stuff is already being done also... :thumbsup:

So what if some one wants to charge, charge a lower price or play free,
Every one has the freedom to either do it or not do it..
A long with the Consumer/Audience having the freedom to chose which to go see :thumbsup:
 
Rogue":1a9xrr1v said:
mixohoytian":1a9xrr1v said:
in Hollywood
you need to be in a hughey lewis tribute band or whatever to make money
or play top 40 at bars
Well, if that what the demand is. :dunno:

It might suck, but it is what it is.

Why should someone pay someone extra if no one wants to listen to them?


+1 :yes:
 
Rogue":adn2majl said:
mixohoytian":adn2majl said:
in Hollywood
you need to be in a hughey lewis tribute band or whatever to make money
or play top 40 at bars
Well, if that what the demand is. :dunno:

It might suck, but it is what it is.

Why should someone pay someone extra if no one wants to listen to them?

Because it's just not fair. :cry:
 
it is in demand, and it does suck, but I didn't mean to get into that
I forgot to quote whoever it was that said it was for free
most tribute bands are making money (the "good" ones)

and as far as Hollywood....I'm not sure if any royalties are going to the writers
 
mixohoytian":2z2g453z said:
and as far as Hollywood....I'm not sure if any royalties are going to the writers
I remember when the argument was that the artists didn't make all the money, the record label did and if you weren't the big, big name talents, you succumbed to that system or you didn't get signed. I know the artists got some cash, but the bulk went to the label. Don't the labels own the songs?

So, I guess when has any artists ever owned their own songs and made money off them? :lol: :LOL:
 
degenaro":3415bphn said:
Actually come to think of it, I agree with a friend of mine that if you're not having your stuff tossed around on the blogs linking to rapidshre etc you're not relevant.

Exactly. When I found out that our album was being pirated really hard, I got pissy. A buddy of mine (not a musician) comes up and says "Hey, that must mean your music actually matters to some people. If they didn't want it, they wouldn't pirate it like they are." Kind flipped my view on things. Not that I like it or anything, but I guess I've come to an awkward peace with the notion.
 
RaceU4her":270ul4i1 said:
the only people who i see still pissed and complaining are middle aged dudes who arent selling anything anymore anyway who are still stuck in the vinyl age let alone the internet age.

That's ridiculous. Talk to any band out there doing it for real right now, especially NEW bands, and they will tell you the same thing. I'm not talking about the new local bands that pop up every week, but bands who have albums out, who are trying to do this for a living.
 
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