SLO or Cameron CCV

[Superunknown]

The first Cameron shit slinging fest of 2010....YEEHAW!!!....

 

[jmgman69]

The first Cameron shit slinging fest of 2010....YEEHAW!!!....

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

I sold my CCV and kept my SLO

yea but you also cash'd in on your ccv, sometimes money talks! ... plus mark put that dime at the bottom of the box for you dude!

I put $1800 down then waited 17 months for the amp, and I sold it for more then I paid for it, yes. But cash'd in because money talks? No.

I sold it because I didn't like it as much as the other amps I have/had, period.

I'm not Bill Gates, but if I thought an amp was amazing, better then the others I've had, you'd better believe I'd hold onto it regardless of cost/ profit. I've been through more amps then I can keep track of. As it is I sold the CCV and kept 6 or 8 other heads, because they were much better imo. That includes one of Marks modded Marshalls.

Getting a little extra profit after waiting all that time was nice, but I never would have sold the amp if I thought it was all that - I've no need to.

The SLO is the better amp IMO, and the Bogner Twin Jet crushes in that arena as well.

cool ...

 

[Hollywood]

The first Cameron shit slinging fest of 2010....YEEHAW!!!....

Hey it's cold outside and heating up on here. Opinions....ya gotta love it.

 

[Rufus Leaking]

The first Cameron shit slinging fest of 2010....YEEHAW!!!....

Hey it's cold outside and heating up on here. Opinions....ya gotta love it.

You know, Mark has got the ears and the skill and builds a great amp, no doubt about it. In the 80's heavy rock tone arena, his stuff hangs with anything else I've ever played. Unfortunately the delivery issues create this huge drama surrounding whether you support buying from him or not, and sides are always drawn and shit starts flying. It's a shame really. He could be a Mike Soldano or a Reinhold Bogner if he delivered.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Greg I used to own an SLO and have played a CCM. When I was at your house I heard you playing some crushing modern 7 string stuff. I'm not sure the SLO is ideal for that type of playing. The Cameron would probably be a little better for that style. If heavy modern stuff is what you're after I can't imagine a better amp than the Herbert you already have. That said... the Cameron and SLO are incredible designs and I would enjoy having either.

After hearing your Vintage Modern next to the CCM...Wow, what an eye opener. I was VERY suprised at which amp i greatly prefered.

you know i've heard a bunch of people say this, and im like blown away. So much so that i brought my ccv to work several times to compare. I have had like 6 vintage moderns at the shop. 50 watters, 100 watters, combo's and not 1 at any point ever got even close. With or without the boost in front. It just sounded thin to me, and buzzy. Never got it....no bottom end, no smoothness, no chimey mids... But again different strokes...

It was a CCM, not CCV, and i wasn't the only that day that was suprised. It's not like I'm a big VM guy, my Fortin does the trick for me. I'v heard the CCV and CCM and plenty of Cameron Jose and Aldrich amps. I feel the Fortin is as good as any of them.

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

Greg I used to own an SLO and have played a CCM. When I was at your house I heard you playing some crushing modern 7 string stuff. I'm not sure the SLO is ideal for that type of playing. The Cameron would probably be a little better for that style. If heavy modern stuff is what you're after I can't imagine a better amp than the Herbert you already have. That said... the Cameron and SLO are incredible designs and I would enjoy having either.

After hearing your Vintage Modern next to the CCM...Wow, what an eye opener. I was VERY suprised at which amp i greatly prefered.

you know i've heard a bunch of people say this, and im like blown away. So much so that i brought my ccv to work several times to compare. I have had like 6 vintage moderns at the shop. 50 watters, 100 watters, combo's and not 1 at any point ever got even close. With or without the boost in front. It just sounded thin to me, and buzzy. Never got it....no bottom end, no smoothness, no chimey mids... But again different strokes...

It was a CCM, not CCV, and i wasn't the only that day that was suprised. It's not like I'm a big VM guy, my Fortin does the trick for me. I'v heard the CCV and CCM and plenty of Cameron Jose and Aldrich amps. I feel the Fortin is as good as any of them.

crazy.... still gotta hear the fortin stuff...

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

finally after 2 pages we get to Fortin!


GET A FORTIN!



i'm pretty sure i'd take an SLO over the CCV. haven't spent much time with either, but the SLO impressed me more than the CCV. the CCV is cool and it's own thing, but i've liked Mark's mods better. i'm just not sure i like the Mercury trannies? i'd like to hear a CCV built with deferent trannies.

 

[Hard&Heavy]

There will also be fortin in the future.

 

[Digital Jams]

The first Cameron shit slinging fest of 2010....YEEHAW!!!....

Hey it's cold outside and heating up on here. Opinions....ya gotta love it.

You know, Mark has got the ears and the skill and builds a great amp, no doubt about it. In the 80's heavy rock tone arena, his stuff hangs with anything else I've ever played. Unfortunately the delivery issues create this huge drama surrounding whether you support buying from him or not, and sides are always drawn and shit starts flying. It's a shame really. He could be a Mike Soldano or a Reinhold Bogner if he delivered.

Mark could own LA if he wanted too at one time, still wish him all the best in the future.

H&H.....I have heard Mark's work next to Mike's twice now for a combined 13 hours and I am willing to bet that if you were not watching you would not tell the difference. To be clear I was laying in wait for two different guys to unload a Cameron so I *am not talking all fanboi'd up. Met both guys and they both know a ton about marshall designs and what people are looking for. I have heard death metal, 80s, jazz metal....you name it thrown at both amps and both just ruled.

IMO you can have either a Cameron Jose or Fortin Cali and would not look back and others that own one or the other have said the same thing. IT just comes down whose name you want and how easy it is to get one or the other.

 

[Hollywood]

The first Cameron shit slinging fest of 2010....YEEHAW!!!....

Hey it's cold outside and heating up on here. Opinions....ya gotta love it.

You know, Mark has got the ears and the skill and builds a great amp, no doubt about it. In the 80's heavy rock tone arena, his stuff hangs with anything else I've ever played. Unfortunately the delivery issues create this huge drama surrounding whether you support buying from him or not, and sides are always drawn and shit starts flying. It's a shame really. He could be a Mike Soldano or a Reinhold Bogner if he delivered.

No doubt the long standing high demand without supply is at the heart of all the ill will feelings invloved in Cameron's product. Seems like also at the center of all these opinoins is the one true fact. What music and styles a person plays and prefers has everything to do with the spoken endorsement or condemnation of the CCV.
Just like the Wizards, they also get opinions from both sides of the fence. The diezel's seem to get that same ebb and flow. With the Wizard, I have one supposed to be at my door no later than friday. I ended up taking a try with the Wizards because of several factors.
1st- there are too many good guys on here that I know that run them and own them, and just swear by them. That does not mean I will be as happy, but alot of them play my type of music. 2nd- even more impressive still, there's a whole new batch of guys on the waiting list to get a Wizard in the next week or so, and that shows a positive upswing in overall product quality. 3rd-the Wizards are all hand built. point to point using the finest components available as they should be for the amount they cost. 4th-the finest customer service I have ever gotten in my life has come from up to this point, the Wizard family which includes my dealer. Reminds me of Scott Splawn, and his company.
The Splawn amp I got in my studio is the cheapest in price I own. But I would not hesitate to sit it side by side with any of them. Again.........It is all opinions. They rule the typed word.

 

[Hard&Heavy]

Scott I here you and agree I will get both the ccv and the fortin natas to totaly different beast's and will be happy with both.

 

[Hollywood]

Scott I here you and agree I will get both the ccv and the fortin natas to totaly different beast's and will be happy with both.

Okay so now ya gotta get three new amps.. I mean ya gotta still get a SLO.

 

[Hard&Heavy]

all in good time.

 

[lolzgreg]

The Fortin vs Cameron debate...

I think my clips illustrated different strokes for different folks, but I really loved Mike's Cali Mod. I was so awed that I stood there playing power chords and it was just beautiful.

 

[ericsabbath]

Bogner Ecstasy w/ 6550's

http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=2473
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=2653

 

[boof]

Very different amps....

The ccv will NEVER be a mass produced amp. They never have and never will be available in large quantity and that's what makes them more unique. They are hand built 1 at a time by Mark. Expect to see 1 a month come out...

I like the SLO but it's so different from the ccv. CCV will do modern / and vintage tones really well. Way more punch and push to... the SLO does not get very modern in my opinion and is alot more fizzy/fuzzy sounding with a less pronounced bass response and different voiced midrange. In the end it comes down to preference and being able to endure the wait time of getting a CCV is a HUGE factor of course. If you can hang back and wait it out, it is surely worth it and IMO you will have a superior tone.

One a month? I was under the impression from your previous posts that there was going to be a "production team". Even with you, chris, mark and a production team you expect output would be one a month? That doesn't add up. Granted it not mass produced, still one a month sounds more than a bit on the lean side.

I believe Mark will be staying in LA for the time being. Chris Schmidt is assembling a production team as we speak...

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=42720&p=498681#p498681

also

Assembly is one thing but making sure an amp is burned in properly and running to spec and SOUNDING right is not something anyone can do. Sorry but I totally disagree. I think that he should most certainly be there overseeing production. Otherwise something can EASILY get lost in the "translation"

By the way... how do those ejection seats sound??

I agree to disagree friend, but that's ok ... not everyone can see eye to eye. Chris Schmidt and I will be helping out on the burn in and R&D part. Chris knows these amps as do I, along with the assembly team. Chris is very experienced and is more than capable and i am an experienced audio engineer, tech and guitar player that knows tone. I have owned my ccv for quite a while and know what they should sound and feel like. This has been discussed, and Mark will be out to make sure things are great additionally.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=42720&p=498824#p498824

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

Very different amps....

The ccv will NEVER be a mass produced amp. They never have and never will be available in large quantity and that's what makes them more unique. They are hand built 1 at a time by Mark. Expect to see 1 a month come out...

I like the SLO but it's so different from the ccv. CCV will do modern / and vintage tones really well. Way more punch and push to... the SLO does not get very modern in my opinion and is alot more fizzy/fuzzy sounding with a less pronounced bass response and different voiced midrange. In the end it comes down to preference and being able to endure the wait time of getting a CCV is a HUGE factor of course. If you can hang back and wait it out, it is surely worth it and IMO you will have a superior tone.

One a month? I was under the impression from your previous posts that there was going to be a "production team". Even with you, chris, mark and a production team you expect output would be one a month? That doesn't add up. Granted it not mass produced, still one a month sounds more than a bit on the lean side.

I believe Mark will be staying in LA for the time being. Chris Schmidt is assembling a production team as we speak...

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=42720&p=498681#p498681

also

Assembly is one thing but making sure an amp is burned in properly and running to spec and SOUNDING right is not something anyone can do. Sorry but I totally disagree. I think that he should most certainly be there overseeing production. Otherwise something can EASILY get lost in the "translation"

By the way... how do those ejection seats sound??

I agree to disagree friend, but that's ok ... not everyone can see eye to eye. Chris Schmidt and I will be helping out on the burn in and R&D part. Chris knows these amps as do I, along with the assembly team. Chris is very experienced and is more than capable and i am an experienced audio engineer, tech and guitar player that knows tone. I have owned my ccv for quite a while and know what they should sound and feel like. This has been discussed, and Mark will be out to make sure things are great additionally.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=42720&p=498824#p498824

Yep, that was the game plan at that time. Obviously that didn't work. Mark is on his own now and amps will continue to trickle out at his pace, it is what it is. If anyone has any questions regarding this you can email mark or call him direct...

 

[Erock]

Bogner Ecstasy w/ 6550's

http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=2473
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=2653

hehe, I loved that amp man, and oddly enough, the CCV reminds me of that amp a bit. It has that darker real growly mid grind and chime in the upper mid, but the lowend is tighter and thicker, and the gain is a bit more aggressive and open. Kind of like leaving the XTC in the L excursion without it getting loose. The SLO and CCV are such different amps IMO, I don't think you could really compare them. Both are great IMO. However, anyone that thinks the CCV can only do hotrodded 80's stuff either hasn't had enough time with one to see what it can really do, or flat out hasn't played one.

 

[Erock]

hehe, I loved that amp man, and oddly enough, the CCV reminds me of that amp a bit. It has that darker real growly mid grind and chime in the upper mid, but the lowend is tighter and thicker, and the gain is a bit more aggressive and open. Kind of like leaving the XTC in the L excursion without it getting loose. The SLO and CCV are such different amps IMO, I don't think you could really compare them. Both are great IMO. However, anyone that thinks the CCV can only do hotrodded 80's stuff either hasn't had enough time with one to see what it can really do, or flat out hasn't played one.

Well said!!