You can make the preamps sound almost identical in 2 hours and $150 in parts
The power section would be different but the OD tones very close
Cool…. I’ll give you a call when I just wanna play through a preamp and no power amp.
You can make the preamps sound almost identical in 2 hours and $150 in parts
The power section would be different but the OD tones very close
You’ve missed the point but anywayCool…. I’ll give you a call when I just wanna play through a preamp and no power amp.
You’ve missed the point but anyway
While they don’t sound alike, on paper they are pretty much exact
90% of amps you use are more similar than different and reading a schematic w show that
So if your statement of Does a recto sound like and SLO then no you are correct they sound different
But is the design the same , on the old ones virtually yes
Tell that to Daniel Johns of Silverchair LOL Dude was 18 when he started using and touring with SLO's. In fact back when I was teen, he was the reason I saved up for my first used beat to shit Soldano (HR50). I was too impatient and poor to score a used SLO You do make an interesting point though. I think it could apply more toward boutique brands though. I still see young kids chasing down JCM800's which is an old classic.Possibly it is an age thing. I wasn't a fan of Slo. I think the people that think slo is best put their age, and same thing with recto, i bet we see a trend. not saying that there aren't older people that prefer recto.
Engineers passed every class in college except for Pragmatism 101.I’m not missing a thing here man, it’s just exhausting listening to things like this that don’t matter. This thread was about tonality , not about schematics.
I didn't read the whole thread. There are two primary things that make a Recto sound different than an SLO:
1. The input gain pot. On a Recto it's 250K, on an SLO it 500K. This reduces the gain of the Recto and shifts the frequency emphasis. The bright cap on the gain pot is also a different value. Schematics you find on the internet will often show the gain pot as being 1M but those schematics are wrong (intentionally perhaps).
2. The Recto has a "treble rolloff" network on the tone stack. It's a simple R-C network to ground off the treble pot wiper. The network is switched in/out depending upon the mode. In normal mode the network is switched out and the Presence pot acts as a traditional presence pot. In modern mode the power amp has no negative feedback and the Presence pot varies the resistance in the treble rolloff network.
There are other subtle differences like tube rectifiers, different voltages, etc. but, overall, the Recto is a blatant copy of an SLO.
You're making too much sense, especially around here. We've already been told that "This thread was about tonality , not about schematics.".
Tell that to Daniel Johns of Silverchair LOL Dude was 18 when he started using and touring with SLO's. In fact back when I was teen, he was the reason I saved up for my first used beat to shit Soldano (HR50). I was too impatient and poor to score a used SLO You do make an interesting point though. I think it could apply more toward boutique brands though. I still see young kids chasing down JCM800's which is an old classic.
I don’t know why you all continue to argue about this or mock others who actually own or have owned these amps and know THIS genre of music….I’ll say it again, name ONE record that has the SLO on it for heavy rhythm tones.,.. I’ll wait… because surely, since the pots and capacitors and resistors and the PREAMP ( because lord knows we only play through preamps and that’s all that matters) of the recto are EXACTLY the same as the recto, then surely they should sound EXACTLY the same and be used and revered JUST as much as rectos, which are all over some of the biggest records of the last 30 years in ALL kinds of genres of music….forget the tones of the amps, let’s argue about capacitors and talk about in THEORY they should sound EXACTLY the same, so basically they are like, the same amp.
The reason the DR preamp doesn't sound the same into the return of the SLO is two-fold:I have the SLO, the Recto, 5150 and two 5153 (6L6 and EL34) and i must say that the blue channel of the 5153 6L6 is the most similar to lead channel of the SLO.
That said, all the 3 amps above sound different. Small changes in the layout could do huge difference in sound. In fact I tried the preamp of the DR in the return of the Soldano and you know what? It doesnt sound as the SLO.
They aren't the same. There are a couple differences as I explained earlier that make a pronounced difference in the sound. However, aside from those couple differences the circuits are almost identical. This isn't a bad thing. Many amps are derived from other amps. The first Marshalls were basically copies of a Bassman. The AC30 is the basis for a host of other amps (Orange, Matchless, Bad Cat, etc.).I don’t know why you all continue to argue about this or mock others who actually own or have owned these amps and know THIS genre of music….I’ll say it again, name ONE record that has the SLO on it for heavy rhythm tones.,.. I’ll wait… because surely, since the pots and capacitors and resistors and the PREAMP ( because lord knows we only play through preamps and that’s all that matters) of the recto are EXACTLY the same as the recto, then surely they should sound EXACTLY the same and be used and revered JUST as much as rectos, which are all over some of the biggest records of the last 30 years in ALL kinds of genres of music….forget the tones of the amps, let’s argue about capacitors and talk about in THEORY they should sound EXACTLY the same, so basically they are like, the same amp.
I had them both an thought they were very different. The SLO was a nice enough amp and the Rev C was a holy-shit-this-is-metal amp.Again how many here have actually played a rectifier Rev C? I'm willing to bet most are using either the 3 channel or MW variants as their example. OP is specifically talking about the Rev C.
I think you are right on the money at Mike being mainly upset about the rectos selling like hot cakes and him not making a dime from those sales.Smith continuing to revise the Recto revs was because the Rev C sounded nothing like the SLO, so he needed to make it softer & more bloated till he got it right with the G!
For years now I've had the hypothesis that Soldano wasn't pissed about the design being "copied", since everyone copies circuit designs. I think he's pissed that the Recto was wildly successful and the SLO, which in his mind is far superior, was not.