Smashing Pumkpins Gish/Siamese Dream/MCIS speaker was a CELESTION G12M-70!

[Uzi Nein Millimetah]

I can agree with this. I actually think SP has great tones on Mellon Collie. I don't know if that's marshall, diezel, boogie, or what, but it sounds great - especially on Zero and the other heavier tracks

The gish/siamese dream tones are pretty much the anti-dan tones - big muff, strat, fuzzy, farty, indistinct

I have nothing but respect for Billy as a songwriter though, and I'm sure he made it sound that way for a reason

I've never been a fan of the g1270, and saying that gish and siamese dream make me less likely to be a fan of it, but I have only ever played them fleetingly before. I've never sat with them with some headphones on and really tried to make them work, so maybe they could surprise us?

Well, Billy wasn't going to use a Bon Jovi guitar sound in the '92 era, was he? It was expected that the new Alt stars of the day would have new sounds and new attitudes. SP were among the few new ~Alt bands that I truly appreciated, along with Alice and Soundgarden. All of them had metal roots.

I consider Gish and Siamese to be masterpieces of the era, and I really like the guitar tones, which were basically meant to be more boosted home brew as opposed to slick. Mellon Collie wasn't as consistent, but damn close considering it was a VERY indulgent double album. GREAT drumming also.

 

[RaceU4her]

this has been one of my summer jams

 

[Nigel]

Just got a February 1992 black/white label G12m-70, and man, it nails those heavenly cleans and that Pumpkins grind. You have to eq, lots of mids, but they come in so musically and the M magnet gives the spongy bass without the hardness of the 50 oz.

Really digging this speaker now.

 

[tricalibur]

Ive had two cabs loaded with M70s. Both were very thin. The second set was in a Carvin cab though and I liked those. But threw in a set of early-90s T75s and it’s much improved. I also prefer the early 80s silverback 65s for that well rounded Celestion crunch thing. But the late-70s Marshall labeled 65s are probably the most legendary and desirable. They’re brighter with all the same punch and glorious muds. Used by Metallica on Ride The Lightning and others I think. The silver 65s tend to be a bit darker.

 

[Nigel]

Ive had two cabs loaded with M70s. Both were very thin. The second set was in a Carvin cab though and I liked those. But threw in a set of early-90s T75s and it’s much improved. I also prefer the early 80s silverback 65s for that well rounded Celestion crunch thing. But the late-70s Marshall labeled 65s are probably the most legendary and desirable. They’re brighter with all the same punch and glorious muds. Used by Metallica on Ride The Lightning and others I think. The silver 65s tend to be a bit darker.

Yeah the small magnet leans out the bass a bit. Complements my KT77's and long plates very well. Means you can crank the knob and get more openness from the amp.

King Edward ran smaller strings for this reason as well as pure nickel too...smaller diameter with higher tension means flub/bloat in the bottom be gone.

 

[Nigel]

Now Wayne's Op-Amp Big Muff is out for delivery...bout to be a tone-fest up in here.

Edit: 100% legit Pumpkins grind and leads...PERFECT!