So i heard/saw a Diezel Herbert finally

[studiojig]

Here is my Herbert rig Mark Day did for me. You can hear the amp pretty well here, I dug it allot. That said Diezels have their own thing going on, nothing like the high mids of a Marshall.

I thought this Herbert sounded awesome !!!


Mark

I now own that very Herbert!!

 

[studiojig]

im not gonna make a long list by any means so here are the 2 main points.

noise- something had to be a ground issue because peter crams more gain into the quitest heads ihave ever heard.

lead channel- the 3rd channel is amazing, i may be in the minority but i get the exact lead tone i want, dark thick with enough umph and bite to get through the mix. actually my lead tone is the favorite sound i get from my diezels. different strokes for different folks i guess.

and as far as price goes, yeah they cost alot here, but there are guys over seas paying stupid insane amounts of coin for american made products, like mesa's. its the shipping thing not peter over pricing his heads

just my 2 cents

A Wood

Amen

 

[jesserides2005]

My .02

Diezel's kick ass!

Especially with single coil pickups!

 

[duesentrieb]

My .02

After the solo, when he switches back to rythm, that uuuhhmmmmppp - yes - no other head can do this.
The mighty Herbert.

 

[Digital Jams]

I know for a fact that many will tweak my setup as I like upper mid sizzle and know that others do not like this so I could see someone walking away stating that they did not like my tone.

 

[simbasa]

Is organic food worth paying that much extra?

It doesn't have to be organic but go to Whole Foods and then go to, say, Safeway or an equivalent grocery store with the artificial ingredients and preservatives in their foods that sit on shelves for years. That's not real food.

As for Herbert, obviously no single amp is going to please everyone but it's one of the sickest amps I have ever played. Channel 2 can do much more than just the rock tones that the OP heard. It can go from 80s hard rock to modern scooped metal in a few twists of the knob. Channel 3 is very compressed but you don't need the gain beyond 12 oclock it's so much. It takes some dialing in as the first time I played it I was not impressed but a recent demo blew me away. I love this amp.

I have owned a few 3k+ amps like Elmwood M90 and Suhr SE+ and Einstein. I feel they are all overpriced as I can get great tones from Splawns, 5150III, VHTs for alot less. I would definitely pick up a Herbert for around 3K and it would be worth the $ to me. I would not buy one new though. $4.6K is just way too much for an amp IMO..... Unless it comes with that fellatio mod.

 

[studiojig]

Is organic food worth paying that much extra?

It doesn't have to be organic but go to Whole Foods and then go to, say, Safeway or an equivalent grocery store with the artificial ingredients and preservatives in their foods that sit on shelves for years. That's not real food.

As for Herbert, obviously no single amp is going to please everyone but it's one of the sickest amps I have ever played. Channel 2 can do much more than just the rock tones that the OP heard. It can go from 80s hard rock to modern scooped metal in a few twists of the knob. Channel 3 is very compressed but you don't need the gain beyond 12 oclock it's so much. It takes some dialing in as the first time I played it I was not impressed but a recent demo blew me away. I love this amp.

I have owned a few 3k+ amps like Elmwood M90 and Suhr SE+ and Einstein. I feel they are all overpriced as I can get great tones from Splawns, 5150III, VHTs for alot less. I would definitely pick up a Herbert for around 3K and it would be worth the $ to me. I would not buy one new though. $4.6K is just way too much for an amp IMO..... Unless it comes with that fellatio mod.

The fellatio mod is extra... and probably voids the warranty

 

[kayman121]

I was never a big fan of Diezels. They are not worth the money they charge for 'em, period.

Well actually when you factor in the cost of production, materials, getting the amps overseas, and reasonable dealer markups, the price is relatively justifiable. I long for the day that all these online gear forums collectively take a basic Econ 101 Class so they get their heads out their asses and realize that just because they don't like something enough to pay $xxxx amount of money for it, that the cost is not justified. Perhaps I should write a letter to Bogner and ask him to drop the price of his Uber to $50, cuz that's what I'd pay for it tops Let's see how he'd handle that...

Clearly the amps are just not your style, which is fine, that's all about opinion, but to saying something that bold is foolish and ignorant to say the least.



Also, about the whole " for $XXXX, no amp should be able to be dialed in poorly" thing..just..um..what? No amount of money will change physics. Period. You're not paying to defy the laws of signal amplification. When someone designs a high gain amp that sounds great with Bass 10, Treb 10, Mid 0, Gain 10, AND every other virtually infinite knob settings, I will sure as hell buy it


But I digress. Diezels do have a very distinct hi-fi super compressed nature, IMO, and I most definitely can see a lot of people not diggin that, and consequently baggin on the price tag (understandably) because they wouldn't drop 4.6k on something that doesn't suit them. To each their own. Your review was a lot more thoughtful and respectable than a lot of other ones, and for that, good for you.

 

[thiswaythatway]

It never fails, any negative criticism of an expensive amp brings out the defensive butthurt fanboi's like clockwork. And they always assume the critics can't afford one. lolz

Sounds like a 15 yr old HCAF statement right here. Lol.

I honestly think it's 100% true, because people defend their gear like it's their mom or girlfriend.

ahahahahahaha! people always blame others for what they do. the topic is opened to be discussed.

Is organic food worth paying that much extra?

Is a Rub-N-Tug from a Malaysian girl worth $200 when you can do what matters for free, by yourself? Different "strokes" i guess. No pun intended.

 

[simbasa]

Is a Rub-N-Tug from a Malaysian girl worth $200 when you can do what matters for free, by yourself? Different "strokes" i guess. No pun intended.

Is that what they're charging on the east coast? Going rate for that is 80 bucks out here in San Francisco from a nice Chinese girl..... WTF is it with hot asian women? I can't stay away.

Diezle Herbert and sexy asian women-

 

[stephen sawall]

Girls charge $40~$60 or more for most around here .... I think competition and economy is driving the price down.

 

[Marshall Freak]

I don't think they're priced all that badly. They're not all that much more than a Bogner XTC that has the same amount of features, What's an SLO cost new now? 3200? and it's barely more than a single channel amp, and is maybe 1/10 as versatile at best, and you have to add in import/shipping costs. A friend of mine had a VH-4S and a Herbert, and I thought they were both fantastic amps, but they weren't for me. If they were I'd own one or both, but they're just not my thing. Some people like big boobs, some like little ones, that doesn't mean either is bad.

 

[stephen sawall]

How much in US $ does a Herbert go for in Germany ?

I should also point out the "cut in mix" thing is about what I do. I almost always use 2 amps. I would mix it with a amp that has a more Marshall cut. I think the Diezel amps are great. The Herbert is one of the few amps I would really like to have. They kick ass.

 

[duesentrieb]

edit: 2990 € = 4335$

SLO here: 3600 Euros - lol

 

[stephen sawall]

Thanks ..... so they are in the same ball park.

As far as the price goes ..... I know a few amp builders, these guys are not getting rich. They are doing what they love. I remember reading Peter saying he wishes he could sell them for less. Being a small company this very much limits what can be done to cut cost, etc.

..... and as stated ..... if you ever looked at one they are built as good as any amp.

edit: 2990 € = 4335$

SLO here: 3600 Euros - lol

 

[Duolos]

If we could make them sound the same and not cut any corners on quality, parts, service, warranty, overall sound we would. But since none of that is possible it is what it is. You may or may not like Diezel and that is fine. No amp is all things to all people all the time. We do make a hell of a product for a very reasonable price and we stand by our product and its pricing structure with no apologies. If we could make the same exact product for less we would happily do so however it is IMPOSSIBLE and we refuse to cut corners and not make them by hand ourselves. You get what you pay for

If you want to talk margins, look into the lower line builders if you want to keep things into perspective. Everybody has an opinion and a perspective and that is great! Like I said, our amps are not for everybody (what amp is) but to those who have chosen to do business with us and use our products we sincerely thank you. If you haven't tried our products, give them a shot personally and see how you like them. Good luck to all in your quest for your desired tone.

 

[stephen sawall]

glpg80 you really should plug one in yourself ..... there are some very cool things about the Diezel stuff.

 

[glpg80]

glpg80 you really should plug one in yourself ..... there are some very cool things about the Diezel stuff.

they are rare. and work one on one - no retail. so the only review anyone will get from me is 2 hours of listening to one up close and personal

i figured this thread would be dead by now.

as far as the tone goes i have nothing more to say - its all over the first few pages.

but is it worth it to me? nope - i'd go for one of the barron amplifiers myself.

like everyone says and ill say it once more myself - different strokes for different folks.

 

[jesserides2005]

i figured this thread would be dead by now.

 

[glpg80]

well i did?