USA Diezel cab VS. Other cabs (non Diezel)

[maddnotez]

How do they stack up? I know the German cabs are a bit better but has anyone had a USA Diezel 4x12 and compared to other cabs like Uberkab, Mesa Stiletto, etc.?

What do you all think about these cabs?

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I've got a front loaded Diezel v30 4x12 and an Uberkab. How can I tell if mine is MIA or MIG?

 

[311boogieman]

This may not fully answer your question but I found this thread back when I was on the hunt for a 4x12.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=143754

I was tempted to get an American made Diezel cab but some people talked me out of it.

YMMV

 

[maddnotez]

I've got a front loaded Diezel v30 4x12 and an Uberkab. How can I tell if mine is MIA or MIG?

The speaker input jack on the back.

If it is German it will usually be silver and if there is writing for the ohms a German 1 looks like a 7. (although I still question the silver plate in my picture because they also said the plate cover will have 6 screws and not 4 if German plus the model says 212 and the One looks like a One but that was the only picture I could find online of a silver plate so is just for an example)

If it is USA the jack plate will be all black OR will have a red nut on the Jack. See attachments.

There is talk about different piping as well around the tolex and a different cab size but the Jacks are the easiest way to tell.

 

[maddnotez]

This may not fully answer your question but I found this thread back when I was on the hunt for a 4x12.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=143754

I was tempted to get an American made Diezel cab but some people talked me out of it.

YMMV

Or this

That is basically where I got all my info. A few threads on the Diezel sub forum.

I've got a front loaded Diezel v30 4x12 and an Uberkab. How can I tell if mine is MIA or MIG?

Would be awesome if you could identify and if yours is USA post your comparison thoughts to the Uberkab. Would greatly appreciate it.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I've got a front loaded Diezel v30 4x12 and an Uberkab. How can I tell if mine is MIA or MIG?

The speaker input jack on the back.

If it is German it will usually be silver and if there is writing for the ohms a German 1 looks like a 7. (although I still question the silver plate in my picture because they also said the plate cover will have 6 screws and not 4 if German plus the model says 212 and the One looks like a One but that was the only picture I could find online of a silver plate so is just for an example)

If it is USA the jack plate will be all black OR will have a red nut on the Jack. See attachments.

There is talk about different piping as well around the tolex and a different cab size but the Jacks are the easiest way to tell.

The jack plate on mine is black with 4 screws and no writing at all (just a sticker that says mono). Both jacks are black with black nuts and the cab is a bit smaller than my Uberkab.

It has silver metal corners, metal side handles and British v30's.

There is no piping on the cab ...

 

[maddnotez]

I've got a front loaded Diezel v30 4x12 and an Uberkab. How can I tell if mine is MIA or MIG?

The speaker input jack on the back.

If it is German it will usually be silver and if there is writing for the ohms a German 1 looks like a 7. (although I still question the silver plate in my picture because they also said the plate cover will have 6 screws and not 4 if German plus the model says 212 and the One looks like a One but that was the only picture I could find online of a silver plate so is just for an example)

If it is USA the jack plate will be all black OR will have a red nut on the Jack. See attachments.

There is talk about different piping as well around the tolex and a different cab size but the Jacks are the easiest way to tell.

The jack plate on mine is black with 4 screws and no writing at all (just a sticker that says mono). Both jacks are black with black nuts and the cab is a bit smaller than my Uberkab.

It has silver metal corners, metal side handles and British v30's.

There is no piping on the cab ...

Running side by side with the Uberkab, what are your thoughts?

That is the same one I was looking at. Forgot to post that picture.

 

[GOHOINC]

I had an older front loaded diezel 4x12 for a long time. Not sure if it was a german or american but my matching vh4s was a 2000 and given the scarcity of german cabs back then, i assume mine was american. I had three different sets of speakers in it. First a quad of evm12ls, then greenbacks, then v30s and t75s in an x pattern like an uberkab. I also have a bogner 412 loaded w v30s.

The diezel was great but a way different animal than the bogner. But this is expected as the diezel was an fl and the bogner is rl. The diezel was tighter and brighter by far than the bogner. Had to run bass maxed out and very little presence to get tones i really liked with the diezel. But i did really like those tones. The front load gave it a more in your face and punchy sound and i ran it with a vh4s, shiva 20th, atma, and 20th xtc. I do prefer rear loaded cabs and looser more classic tones but if more modern super tight sounding tones are your thing the diezel front load is a great cab for that.

 

[thegame]

I had an older front loaded diezel 4x12 for a long time. Not sure if it was a german or american but my matching vh4s was a 2000 and given the scarcity of german cabs back then, i assume mine was american. I had three different sets of speakers in it. First a quad of evm12ls, then greenbacks, then v30s and t75s in an x pattern like an uberkab.

Can you compare the EVM12Ls with the V30/T75 mix in that cab please ?

 

[Ventura]

I've run a Diezel German 412 G12K100 FL cab side-by-side with an UberKab 75/30 with an Anniversary (Bogner) 412 V30 412. Different heads, different volumes.

The G12K100 was the most versatile and neutral sounding - didn't add or subtract anything from the sound. It was f*cking loud as hell but solid as a rock. Heaviest amp out of all three by a smidge. Ridiculously loud and omnidirectional. Best use? Stage. Highest "quality" of build in any cabinet I've seen - period (but there's a surprise at the end of this post).

The 20thA 412 loaded with V30 was very sweet sounding with all but the heaviest of high-gain nonsense; which means, awesome cab because all-gain means shit tone, no cut, and a player reliant on fizz to cover up their bullshit playing. Too much gain turns any serious amp into a toy IMHO. So there you go - quality tone, biggest 412 in dimensions out of the 3, and really nice "reliable and consistent" tone for everything but palm-muted wanking brootz (although it did hold up well to these tones, I just don't personally like them myself - YMMV). Stage or recording - no sweat. Beautiful projection. High quality build in all respects.

UberKab?? Versatile and toneful for all sounds. 2nd heaviest cab out of the bunch just a bit over the oversized Anniversary 412. Loaded with 75/30, it made for a cutting, smooth, fun playing cab; but really opened up with the matched TwinJet and Uberschall Rev.2 due to their inherent bass. It handles bass like a tank. Definitely likes to be cranked so gigging and jamming is my guess - mic'ing it would be a 2 mic affair to be fair, one on a 75, the other on a 30. It's a flamethrower - not sure what else to describe this cab as - it wants an Uberschall on top of it pinned at 3 o'clock delivering sonic napalm

[Not mentioned in this review is Fryette. Check out the D412 and the FB412. They happen to be the lightest 412 cabs I own - but their construction is outstanding, quality of wiring, connections, seams, piping, cloth, backing, wheels - absolutely everything about them is top-notch. Sure sure, people bitch and moan about the P50e speakers, but give them a chance to break in....Steven Fryette really knows what he's doing and the cabs are hands down awesome. Accessible, available, not overpriced, and really well designed. Go ahead and replace the speakers if you need, but you don't need to if you give the P50e's a chance].

Hope this helps or at best, at least confuses you a bit

 

[maddnotez]

Hope this helps or at best, at least confuses you a bit

Thanks for your input on this.

I've compared an Uberkab and a D412 side by side and I liked the D cab a little better because the Uberkab had this top end fizz that I didn't really enjoy.

The issue I had with the D cab is that it seemed too tight and too directional for what I liked. I was comparing this with Chinese V30 X WGS 75's in the D cab and stock Uber.

My final thoughts were that maybe if I had an Uberkab and replaced the 75's with something else it would not have the fizz that I didn't like? Hard to say.

I am leaning towards the Uberkab fwiw. I would give the D412 another shot because it was a really awesome cab but I may have to wait a while because there aren't any available near me.

With all that said I did want the input on the USA Diezel cab because it seemed like a good option and the German cabs on the used market are even more scarce.

 

[311boogieman]

Just get one of these and be done with it


https://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/5590802885.html

 

[GOHOINC]

I had an older front loaded diezel 4x12 for a long time. Not sure if it was a german or american but my matching vh4s was a 2000 and given the scarcity of german cabs back then, i assume mine was american. I had three different sets of speakers in it. First a quad of evm12ls, then greenbacks, then v30s and t75s in an x pattern like an uberkab.

Can you compare the EVM12Ls with the V30/T75 mix in that cab please ?

I found the EVM12ls to be fairly lifeless. They didn't sound bad by any means but I felt the tonal response in the V412F with them loaded was very flat like there was a blanket over the cab almost. The V30/T75 mix was more in your face and brighter which took some getting used to at first. Once I tweaked my eq to my liking I felt the V30/T75 combo was much more present in the mix and had a more pleasing and musical response than the EVMs.