WGS - Are These The Real Deal?

[metalmaniac93]

My Voodoo Amps cabinets are loaded with WGS. Both cabs have Veteran 30 & HM75; 4x12 in an X-pattern and a OS 2x12. Both cabinets sound great to me. Of course, some amps sound better than others.

I will say I haven't had good luck with my WGS speakers matching up well with the CCV, YMMV. Not that they sound horrible, but the CCV definitely prefers the Cameron cabinet and the Celestion Annys.

Maybe I should hold tight though until I get the CCV. I still have my Bogner OS 2X12 with Scumbacks (J75/H55) to get a different sound.

 

[blackba]

I like the WGS speakers I have tried. I have a pair of ET-65's that I really like. My buddy has a Vet30 in a 112 and that is a nice speaker as well. I also used to own a pair of WGS Green Berets and those sounded great, only sold them since I wasn't comfortable running a 50Watt tube amp through 2 25Watt speakers.

Compared to Celestion, I like WGS speakers better out of the box, my ET-65's were great right from the start. Celestions are known for taking a long time to break in. While I think the WGS speakers are built well, they do seem to use a lower gauge steal for the basket that celestion, that is what my eyes tell me. I am not worried about this though.

 

[Aristocat]

I am a Celestion guy and have them all to compare all from the mid to late 70's, blackback, H30's.

I bought two WGS ET65's on a whim loaded into 4x12 with two Scumback M75 65 watt speakers, that cabinet is awesome. While I really like my M75's the ET65's compliment them well in similar tone department with some extended low end. The scumbacks do the prerola tone better IMO, but the two mixed is great. Once my brother played this cab he had to have them.

I should warn you that the ET65's need to be fully broken in to sound their best. My brother bought a quad of ET65's and on the first fire up they sounded really harsh and undefined. He about killed me as he judged my Scumback mixed cab,I felt sooo bad!. We then broke the speakers in with a variac for 24 hours. After this the speakers sounded like my cab, nice big full low end and kind of that dark G1265 smoothness and greenback snarl. Night and Day difference! Sounded way better than the Anniversary H-30's he had in there. But I'm not sure how broke in those H-30's were either.

He then bought another pair of ET-65's to pair up with a couple of Chinese M25 greenbacks and these two ET-65 don't sound harsh at all fresh out of the box(so maybe they changed some things since his other quad I dunno!) and they really sound good with the Greenbacks mixed. They really have a nice low end thump the Greenbacks don't have, they're a great match.

Again noticeably better than his Anniversary H-30's, Now he does have a cab of Avatar H-30 that were broke in and they are not as harsh as his annivesary h-30's. The break in makes a difference so give'em a chance.

For the money I think they are great speakers, I also bought a Retro 30 for a 1x12 cab and it sounds great as well!

I posed this question a couple of weeks back (Scumback/ET 65 x-pattern) and received killer answers back. I've been looking forward to pairing my cab up like this and like Steve said earlier, $250 for a quad is much more cost friendly as opposed to $700-1000 to experiment.

 

[harddriver]

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I posed this question a couple of weeks back (Scumback/ET 65 x-pattern) and received killer answers back. I've been looking forward to pairing my cab up like this and like Steve said earlier, $250 for a quad is much more cost friendly as opposed to $700-1000 to experiment.

The Scumbacks M75's mix great with the WGS ET65's IMO. The Scumbacks have the more raw vintage Pre-Rola tone and the ET65's are smoother like the G12-65 with some greenback snarl. But they both have the darker greenbackish response than say and H-30 or V-30 but the ET65's do have alot of the attributes of the G12-65 which was supposed to be Celestion's high powered greenback model by all descriptions that I have read.

 

[LickliterAmps]

When you aren't exactly sure what you want in a speaker, they are great. Get a quad for $250 as compared to $700 for brand X. You can better afford to audition speakers at this price. I have several quads of them and I would be hard pressed to tell any difference whatsoever. They are built well on steel frames too, ship fast, include spare gaskets. They seem to have a design team that is on the ball in the copy and paste department and are quick to market Celestion replacements. I wouldn't hesitate at all with WGS.

+1
Great sounding speakers!

 

[Aristocat]

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I posed this question a couple of weeks back (Scumback/ET 65 x-pattern) and received killer answers back. I've been looking forward to pairing my cab up like this and like Steve said earlier, $250 for a quad is much more cost friendly as opposed to $700-1000 to experiment.

The Scumbacks M75's mix great with the WGS ET65's IMO. The Scumbacks have the more raw vintage Pre-Rola tone and the ET65's are smoother like the G12-65 with some greenback snarl. But they both have the darker greenbackish response than say and H-30 or V-30 but the ET65's do have alot of the attributes of the G12-65 which was supposed to be Celestion's high powered greenback model by all descriptions that I have read.

That's what the guys over at WGS said to me. Basically I was looking for something to smooth out the highs and tighten the lows while still retaining my Scumbacks' (I have BM's instead of M's in this case) tone. I have to wait until next month to get the speakers (friggin' college ) but once my amp comes back from Dave F, I think I'll have a rocking combo going on.

 

[D-Rock]

Thanks everyone for your input!!! This is why I love this place.

I also am not looking for any V30 clones since I have a handful of them that I have removed and only have the Atomica and a CCV coming in the next century or so. I have a Cameron 4X12 cab with G12H30 70th Anny's, which I do like, Scumback J75/H55 (with a spare M75 if needed) in my Bogner OS 2X12 which kick ass, and two Lynchbacks in my Dr Z cab that I am currently using as a wet cab for W/D. I was just thinking of mixing it up for the Cameron cab and was looking to buy some used H30 Heritage 55hz speakers, but they are still expensive used.

Check out the WGS Reaper HP then. G12H30 on steroids!

 

[metalmaniac93]

Thanks everyone for your input!!! This is why I love this place.

I also am not looking for any V30 clones since I have a handful of them that I have removed and only have the Atomica and a CCV coming in the next century or so. I have a Cameron 4X12 cab with G12H30 70th Anny's, which I do like, Scumback J75/H55 (with a spare M75 if needed) in my Bogner OS 2X12 which kick ass, and two Lynchbacks in my Dr Z cab that I am currently using as a wet cab for W/D. I was just thinking of mixing it up for the Cameron cab and was looking to buy some used H30 Heritage 55hz speakers, but they are still expensive used.

Check out the WGS Reaper HP then. G12H30 on steroids!

Thanks!! I just found a pair of used Celestion Hertiage G12H (55hz) for a decent price that I will try first with the G12H30 70th Anny's!!

 

[dwizted]

Man I love WGS speakers. I have a pair of ET 65s and a pair of Reaper Hps in a cross in a Marshall mode four angled cab and they sound awesome. I also have a pair of Veteran 30s and a pair of Reaper Hps in a cross in my Gflex cab and man does that cab come alive. As you can tell I really dig the Reaper HPs...

 

[Aristocat]

Bumping for an old thread.

Did you give the WGS a go after the Celestion Heritage Metalmaniac?

My girlfriend is helping me out with a new guitar and two ET65s (Christman!) that I'm gonna blend with my Scumback Blackbacks. I think they'll fit well.

 

[Mr. Willy]

I don't think Veteran 30's sound like V30's at all. They're sound more like a smoother, darker, souped-up Greenback to me. I like WGS, but I gotta give the nod to Celestion. They cut better in a band setting.

 

[baron55]

The Retro 30 is closer to the V30 without the harsh mid spike, it has more top end and more bass too.

 

[JMP2203]

i would love to heard a clip of a retro 30 vs vintage30

 

[metalmaniac93]

Bumping for an old thread.

Did you give the WGS a go after the Celestion Heritage Metalmaniac?

My girlfriend is helping me out with a new guitar and two ET65s (Christman!) that I'm gonna blend with my Scumback Blackbacks. I think they'll fit well.

No, I actually still have the two speakers and went out and bought a used Marshall BHW with the Heritage 55s. The Atomica sounds awesome through this cab and with these speakers. I might put J75s or a mix of M75/H75s or look into all new WGS speakers or two to pair with the G12H30 70th Annys in my Cameron 4X12 sometime next year when I get back from my 4 month stint in Belgium. I love the J75/H55 mix in my Bogner OS 2X12 though.

 

[mooncobra]

great speakers for the money. they sound good!

 

[midnightlaundry]

real deal

 

[Aristocat]

Bumping for an old thread.

Did you give the WGS a go after the Celestion Heritage Metalmaniac?

My girlfriend is helping me out with a new guitar and two ET65s (Christman!) that I'm gonna blend with my Scumback Blackbacks. I think they'll fit well.

No, I actually still have the two speakers and went out and bought a used Marshall BHW with the Heritage 55s. The Atomica sounds awesome through this cab and with these speakers. I might put J75s or a mix of M75/H75s or look into all new WGS speakers or two to pair with the G12H30 70th Annys in my Cameron 4X12 sometime next year when I get back from my 4 month stint in Belgium. I love the J75/H55 mix in my Bogner OS 2X12 though.

My only concern is that some of have said they do not pair well with Modded Marshall's (Friedman in my case) but for the price I'm willing to take the plunge and allow some time for them to break in properly.

The ET65s sound so dark and crisp it's hard to pass them up.

Belgium sounds fun (hope it is for you!) I've never been to Europe but I have a trip planned to go to France next year and propose to my girlfriend.

 

[chumbucket]

Bumping for an old thread.

Did you give the WGS a go after the Celestion Heritage Metalmaniac?

My girlfriend is helping me out with a new guitar and two ET65s (Christman!) that I'm gonna blend with my Scumback Blackbacks. I think they'll fit well.

No, I actually still have the two speakers and went out and bought a used Marshall BHW with the Heritage 55s. The Atomica sounds awesome through this cab and with these speakers. I might put J75s or a mix of M75/H75s or look into all new WGS speakers or two to pair with the G12H30 70th Annys in my Cameron 4X12 sometime next year when I get back from my 4 month stint in Belgium. I love the J75/H55 mix in my Bogner OS 2X12 though.

My only concern is that some of have said they do not pair well with Modded Marshall's (Friedman in my case) but for the price I'm willing to take the plunge and allow some time for them to break in properly.

The ET65s sound so dark and crisp it's hard to pass them up.

Belgium sounds fun (hope it is for you!) I've never been to Europe but I have a trip planned to go to France next year and propose to my girlfriend.

For reference I have or had many Celestion Greenbacks pre Rola, Rola, and newer ones as well as Blackbacks , Creambacks, 70's, 80's and G12H30's. I have a 4x12 loaded with Celestion 75's. I also have a 200w Hiwatt 4x12 with Fanes that is one of my favorite cabs ever. I have two 4x12's loaded with EVM12L's. Not a huge fan of Vintage 30's but when I had the WGS speakers I had two 4x12's loaded with those too.
That being said, I would never consider buying any more WGS after my experience with the ET65's and the Vet30 X pattern. It sure didn't seem like a case of new speakers that needed to get broken in (and after 3 days of having cranked up guitar played through them, they should have been broken in). They sounded wrong. I'll go with what I know works.
After that experience, I spoke with a friend who was the owner of both a guitar and amp company (at different times) who agreed with me on the tone of the WGS's and chastised me when I said that I had asked for suggestions from the guys at WGS. His take on them was that they were engineer types who had no clue what a good rock tone was. He mentioned that there were a few WGS models that he liked but I don't recall what they were. The ET65 and Vet30 weren't on his list either. My 2 cents.

 

[Aristocat]

Bumping for an old thread.

Did you give the WGS a go after the Celestion Heritage Metalmaniac?

My girlfriend is helping me out with a new guitar and two ET65s (Christman!) that I'm gonna blend with my Scumback Blackbacks. I think they'll fit well.

No, I actually still have the two speakers and went out and bought a used Marshall BHW with the Heritage 55s. The Atomica sounds awesome through this cab and with these speakers. I might put J75s or a mix of M75/H75s or look into all new WGS speakers or two to pair with the G12H30 70th Annys in my Cameron 4X12 sometime next year when I get back from my 4 month stint in Belgium. I love the J75/H55 mix in my Bogner OS 2X12 though.

My only concern is that some of have said they do not pair well with Modded Marshall's (Friedman in my case) but for the price I'm willing to take the plunge and allow some time for them to break in properly.

The ET65s sound so dark and crisp it's hard to pass them up.

Belgium sounds fun (hope it is for you!) I've never been to Europe but I have a trip planned to go to France next year and propose to my girlfriend.

For reference I have or had many Celestion Greenbacks pre Rola, Rola, and newer ones as well as Blackbacks , Creambacks, 70's, 80's and G12H30's. I have a 4x12 loaded with Celestion 75's. I also have a 200w Hiwatt 4x12 with Fanes that is one of my favorite cabs ever. I have two 4x12's loaded with EVM12L's. Not a huge fan of Vintage 30's but when I had the WGS speakers I had two 4x12's loaded with those too.
That being said, I would never consider buying any more WGS after my experience with the ET65's and the Vet30 X pattern. It sure didn't seem like a case of new speakers that needed to get broken in (and after 3 days of having cranked up guitar played through them, they should have been broken in). They sounded wrong. I'll go with what I know works.
After that experience, I spoke with a friend who was the owner of both a guitar and amp company (at different times) who agreed with me on the tone of the WGS's and chastised me when I said that I had asked for suggestions from the guys at WGS. His take on them was that they were engineer types who had no clue what a good rock tone was. He mentioned that there were a few WGS models that he liked but I don't recall what they were. The ET65 and Vet30 weren't on his list either. My 2 cents.

Thanks for the info. I'd love to buy two Scumback M75s but I just can't justify it after having my amp modded.

Before I had my Plexi modded, I played it through my 4x12 with a BM75/GB mix and just with the BM75s and it gave the cab an open back feel with just the two speakers top loaded. I may just stick with that for a little while.

You mess around with that much?

 

[chumbucket]

For reference I have or had many Celestion Greenbacks pre Rola, Rola, and newer ones as well as Blackbacks , Creambacks, 70's, 80's and G12H30's. I have a 4x12 loaded with Celestion 75's. I also have a 200w Hiwatt 4x12 with Fanes that is one of my favorite cabs ever. I have two 4x12's loaded with EVM12L's. Not a huge fan of Vintage 30's but when I had the WGS speakers I had two 4x12's loaded with those too.
That being said, I would never consider buying any more WGS after my experience with the ET65's and the Vet30 X pattern. It sure didn't seem like a case of new speakers that needed to get broken in (and after 3 days of having cranked up guitar played through them, they should have been broken in). They sounded wrong. I'll go with what I know works.
After that experience, I spoke with a friend who was the owner of both a guitar and amp company (at different times) who agreed with me on the tone of the WGS's and chastised me when I said that I had asked for suggestions from the guys at WGS. His take on them was that they were engineer types who had no clue what a good rock tone was. He mentioned that there were a few WGS models that he liked but I don't recall what they were. The ET65 and Vet30 weren't on his list either. My 2 cents.

Thanks for the info. I'd love to buy two Scumback M75s but I just can't justify it after having my amp modded.

Before I had my Plexi modded, I played it through my 4x12 with a BM75/GB mix and just with the BM75s and it gave the cab an open back feel with just the two speakers top loaded. I may just stick with that for a little while.

You mess around with that much?

Google "detuned cab". It can sound awesome with the right speakers. Try stacking the 2 speakers on top of each other ( 1 on top and 1 on bottom , vertical not diagonal) and experiment with covering the other speaker holes. It usually adds bass and makes the cab sound deeper than it is.