What model G12T-75s were used on AJFA?

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I’d never use an angled cab to capture giant rhythm tones . They are hollow compared to straight
I never would either but thats me personally. People use whatever is available to them and thats fine. Just as long as music is being made is all that matters.
 
If only I had just recorded a sample of each the other day...

To the OP I would choose the vented if I had the choice, but the mid 80s non vented are absolutely nothing to scoff at. Also, don't over think it man, any JCM800-900 aged T75s and any vintage Mark will get you as much there as you can without being in a studio with some of the botique gear that's not practical.

In The Mix
1984 Vented G12T-75 0:00
1986 G12T-75 3:07
2013 G12T-75 6:14
Guitar Only
1984 Vented G12T-75 9:22
1986 G12T-75 12:16
2013 G12T-75 15:12

 
So then what version of the early 80s G12T-75s would yall choose for a AJFA tone, the vented, or the non-vented.
Purely based on AJFA I would go with the non-vented ones, because the album tone is hardly middy and the vented ones will have richer/thicker mids, more akin to the G12-65s, so those would probably yield too much mids in combination with a Mesa Mark, even if you're scooping the hell out of it.
 
If only I had just recorded a sample of each the other day...

To the OP I would choose the vented if I had the choice, but the mid 80s non vented are absolutely nothing to scoff at. Also, don't over think it man, any JCM800-900 aged T75s and any vintage Mark will get you as much there as you can without being in a studio with some of the botique gear that's not practical.

In The Mix
1984 Vented G12T-75 0:00
1986 G12T-75 3:07
2013 G12T-75 6:14
Guitar Only
1984 Vented G12T-75 9:22
1986 G12T-75 12:16
2013 G12T-75 15:12


Those vented speakers are just unreal. But they sound similar to the non vented versions.
 
Purely based on AJFA I would go with the non-vented ones, because the album tone is hardly middy and the vented ones will have richer/thicker mids, more akin to the G12-65s, so those would probably yield too much mids in combination with a Mesa Mark, even if you're scooping the hell out of it.
I run a TH30 and once you get passed a certain point on the shape knob, the mids are so scooped that you have to add them back because it becomes hollow. Ive never had an amp do that before. Im sure a Mark series would be easier. Thats why im going to buy the Master Effects Trinity Deluxe pedal to help me and my tone.
 
If only I had just recorded a sample of each the other day...

To the OP I would choose the vented if I had the choice, but the mid 80s non vented are absolutely nothing to scoff at. Also, don't over think it man, any JCM800-900 aged T75s and any vintage Mark will get you as much there as you can without being in a studio with some of the botique gear that's not practical.

In The Mix
1984 Vented G12T-75 0:00
1986 G12T-75 3:07
2013 G12T-75 6:14
Guitar Only
1984 Vented G12T-75 9:22
1986 G12T-75 12:16
2013 G12T-75 15:12


I can't tell if it was the vented or non vented that were used on AJFA. However, on this video comparison, I really like the 2013 in the mix best, and the 86 if soloed. The 84 sounds a bit muffled compared with the other two. And btw, the 86 didn't sound scooped at all, when compared to the vented. Instead, it sounded way more clear, with a whole lot more mids and presence, with a hair more low end also.
Sam(Braintheory), you should do an A/B test with your speaker collection, using the exact same mic placement, same cab, and same pre-recorded guitar riff. With all the speakers you have, it would be a great speaker reference!
 
I can't tell if it was the vented or non vented that were used on AJFA. However, on this video comparison, I really like the 2013 in the mix best, and the 86 if soloed. The 84 sounds a bit muffled compared with the other two. And btw, the 86 didn't sound scooped at all, when compared to the vented. Instead, it sounded way more clear, with a whole lot more mids and presence, with a hair more low end also.
Sam(Braintheory), you should do an A/B test with your speaker collection, using the exact same mic placement, same cab, and same pre-recorded guitar riff. With all the speakers you have, it would be a great speaker reference!
I liked the 86 most soloed too. In general the non-vented ‘80’s T75’s are underrated vs the vented ones that many prefer. I guess scooped is a relative term. Scooped vs the vented 75’s being imo a little bit congested in the mids like the 25w GB’s, but there are plenty other more scooped speakers out there for sure. I’ve also compared these speakers both as quads in the same cab and isolated (not in a cab) along with a recent made T75 fwiw and got pretty much the same relative difference as in GJgo’s clip, but more pronounced as usual when in person and also the lack of the cab coloring the sound

I have been wanting to do a big shootout vid with all my speakers (over 70 total lol) where I play them isolated (not in a cab) to really show the speaker's inherent voices. It just would be super time consuming. Maybe in the summer or late spring I could try. The less known speakers here would be I think the most interesting like the ‘50’s Cletron’s/Roger Charles’s, Crescendo’s and Altec’s
 
The remastered song has very clearly filtered out a lot of high frequencies in the signal chain somewhere. Maybe for more friendly radioplay?

Compared to the remastered song, the 84 has too much mid emphasis, the 86 has too much in the highs, which leaves IMO the 2013 as the closest to the album tone without post processing/EQ.

IMO I like the tone of the 84 the most but the album tone seems closest to the 2013 here.
 
If only I had just recorded a sample of each the other day...

To the OP I would choose the vented if I had the choice, but the mid 80s non vented are absolutely nothing to scoff at. Also, don't over think it man, any JCM800-900 aged T75s and any vintage Mark will get you as much there as you can without being in a studio with some of the botique gear that's not practical.

In The Mix
1984 Vented G12T-75 0:00
1986 G12T-75 3:07
2013 G12T-75 6:14
Guitar Only
1984 Vented G12T-75 9:22
1986 G12T-75 12:16
2013 G12T-75 15:12



They all sound good, but unlike everyone else, i definitely prefer the vented example.

It's got more personality and life, IMO
 
A RTer has a cab very close to the serial# of the cab in the pics of the session. His has vented 75s. They were vented when first introduced in 84; and sometime in 86 the vents disappeared as I’ve had 2 cabs from 86 one with vents, and one without. Braintheory’s description is spot on.
I bought a cab here on RT with those speakers and have since sold my Friedman BE412 and Marshall 1960. Great cab!!
 
I’d never use an angled cab to capture giant rhythm tones . They are hollow compared to straight
I’m a big fan of using angled cabs to record. Or for shows micd up. In the room I understand straight just for directional sake. I like how angled cabs when you mic the top speakers have that dip out of 500 hz that you wouldn’t want in a distorted tone. At least I don’t. Several cabs out there are “straight cabs” but the baffle is angled to alleviate this honky frequency on purpose like Fryette fatbottom, diezel RL, etc.
 
Wasn't the black album recorded with celestion 16 ohm vintage speakers? I'm sure that's what Bob Rock likes to use in his cabs
 
I do too, they sound excellent.

I think the more "rich" or "congested" midrange (depending on whether you like it or not) that's slightly apparent on the recordings is a lot more obvious in the room when comparing them to the non-vent and modern 75s

The vented 75s are one of my favorite speakers of all time - they are a little amp picky though

Jason said my old vented B cab didn't get along with his JEL head but absolutely crushes with his uber ultra

That tracks pretty well with my experience too
 
Wasn't the black album recorded with celestion 16 ohm vintage speakers? I'm sure that's what Bob Rock likes to use in his cabs
That's the common wisdom.

In this case I just reamped all my gear against this track since it's a benchmark for good high gain tone that everyone knows. If a tone works or not in this context to me says a lot.
 
That's the common wisdom.

In this case I just reamped all my gear against this track since it's a benchmark for good high gain tone that everyone knows. If a tone works or not in this context to me says a lot.

That's funny, I do the exact same thing with a handful of songs to test specific aspects of a tone - I just use less well known songs because I do it for my own "research" purposes (and because i know the songs/tones well) as opposed to doing it for other people to compare

In that context, "sandman" is perfect for your use case

I generally do it with "The coming curse" (to test how the low end tracks on palm mutes), "creeping death" (to get a sense of how much grind/kerrang you can get without long, drawn out chords), "masked jackal" (to test how nice the changeover from rhythm to lead sounds) and "the leper affinity" for extended/complex chord clarity
 
They all sound good, but unlike everyone else, i definitely prefer the vented example.

It's got more personality and life, IMO
Same here. I think the vented and non-vented '86 are two different tones, but both perfectly useable...
Slightly prefer the vented in the mix, although it's close to being a toss-up and the non-vented solo'd.

The 2013 however.... Ooff. :cautious: Almost reminded me of late 90's Boss' COSM modeling... :rolleyes:

Either way, the video reinforced my earlier findings. One of my favourite 2x12 cabs (a Marshall 1966B, straight) has a non-vented '86 + a Mesa V30 with a beam blocker in front. That cab paired with my Savage 60... Yeahuhhh... :rock:
 
Same here. I think the vented and non-vented '86 are two different tones, but both perfectly useable...
Slightly prefer the vented in the mix, although it's close to being a toss-up and the non-vented solo'd.

The 2013 however.... Ooff. :cautious: Almost reminded me of late 90's Boss' COSM modeling... :rolleyes:

Either way, the video reinforced my earlier findings. One of my favourite 2x12 cabs (a Marshall 1966B, straight) has a non-vented '86 + a Mesa V30 with a beam blocker in front. That cab paired with my Savage 60... Yeahuhhh... :rock:

I don't hate the 2013, I just don't like it anywhere near as much as everyone else does it seems

I think the biggest takeaway is that the 75 is kind of underrated and can sound quite a bit different depending on the version and year, perhaps to even a larger degree than is normal with speakers

The only speakers I can think of that vary THAT much are v30s which are wild
 
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