Why can't Mesa Boogie just admit it?

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people don't know what they want.

all the changes that have been made to mesa amps are lot of compromises between the playability, features, price and design simplicity.

the truth is that mesa gave up on push pull knobs because of money - they are not reliable and expensive - toggle switches deliver more options at far lower price with better reliability. that is simple. but it's more complicated when you look at what people want and when you try to fulfill all the customer needs and requirements. all you see is that people want to have one box that makes everything. one amp that makes excellent cleans, crunch and lead tones - i.e. all Singles, 3 or 4ch DR/TR/RK/Roadster. that makes at least 2 or more different signal paths in the amp, lot of additional parts, signal switching etc.. it all affects tone - usually in worse way, opposed to the old 2ch DR/TR which in nutshell is single channel amp, one signal path with two sets of controls and some switching.

general rule is - the less parts/switching is in the amp, the better it will sound. every additional feature is trade off between functionality and sound/feel/amp mojo :)

Mesa tried to bring in simple amp to the market - Electradyne - how long it was in their production line? 2 or 3 years? Mark 1 is gone, they make only snake skin combo which is more collectors item, than amp for real gigging. Same thing would happen to Mark IIC+, Recto 2ch reissues - few people would buy them because of their "legendary status", but most of the people would remain to use their brothers with more options available. with that much amps/modellers available on the market, there is no place for reissues.
 
If Mesa/Boogie released a straightforward MarkIIC+ stereo preamp with MIDI control, they'd earn squillions.
 
But the triaxis is alot of amp to maintain all the tubes and caps you have to replace if you are using it with the 2:90 and its too heavy for bar band gigs. I think a straight forward mark2cplus would earn alot because blue coller bar band guys could use them which is what the dual recs and marshall DsLs have seem to become and the 6505. These guys also use Marks but I could count on one hand how many times I have seen a Mark being used at a gig I think because they are tricky amps to use and it is alot easier to grab one of those other amps I mentioned for 1000.
 
BrentSSL":m6fmb505 said:
But the triaxis is alot of amp ton maintain all the tubes and caps you have to replace if you are using it with the 2:90 and its too heavy for bar band gigs. I think a straight forward mark2cplus would earn alot because blue coller bar band guys could use them which is what the dual recs and marshall DsLs have seem to become and the 6505. These guys also use Marks but I could count on one hand how many times I have seen a Mark being used at a gig I think because they are tricky amps to use and it is alot easier to grab one of those other amps I mentioned for 1000.

You contradict yourself here.
 
he asked for mark IIc+ stereo preamp with midi, that's triaxis. :lol: :LOL:
 
Why can't Mesa Boogie just admit it?
Because it's Mesa's fault you worry more about internet hype than just enjoying playing with quality amps? If you have such a big beef with Mesa then buy something else and quit bitching about them in EVERY thread you start.
 
The main problem is this
1. There's not enough amps out there to pick from. Especially Boogie. What do they have like 3 amps to pick from? :doh:
2. There needs to be a Mark VI
 
messenger":to26qths said:
BrentSSL":to26qths said:
But the triaxis is alot of amp ton maintain all the tubes and caps you have to replace if you are using it with the 2:90 and its too heavy for bar band gigs. I think a straight forward mark2cplus would earn alot because blue coller bar band guys could use them which is what the dual recs and marshall DsLs have seem to become and the 6505. These guys also use Marks but I could count on one hand how many times I have seen a Mark being used at a gig I think because they are tricky amps to use and it is alot easier to grab one of those other amps I mentioned for 1000.

You contradict yourself here.

What I meant was a triaxis is a highly sophisticated touring/ rigging gear not viable for a typical bar cover band (where I live) but I think a simple Mark2cplus type head with midi would be easier to use and sell even at a 2200 price tag. Great tone and simplicity would just fit better in a,bar gigging situation.
 
rocknrolla":udl290f1 said:
Why can't Mesa Boogie just admit it?
Because it's Mesa's fault you worry more about internet hype than just enjoying playing with quality amps? If you have such a big beef with Mesa then buy something else and quit bitching about them in EVERY thread you start.

My points to start a spirited debate and get input I love Mesa boogie amps they hold there value they provide most of what I am looking for in tone and functionality. I would use any of thier amps over anything else out there I just think they could do better. :lol: :LOL: I should have called the post "things Mesa can improve on". Also the Rectifier revisions is not internet hype I have owned or played through enough of them to know. :thumbsup:
 
4Eyes":1wd1q2pp said:
he asked for mark IIc+ stereo preamp with midi, that's triaxis. :lol: :LOL:

Yes he did lol
Wasn't there a pre amp also,based on the Mk2cplus before the triaxis
 
billsbigego":5if5gf4s said:
The main problem is this
1. There's not enough amps out there to pick from. Especially Boogie. What do they have like 3 amps to pick from? :doh:
2. There needs to be a Mark VI

I liked the Electradyne but its not a goto Mesa amp I would rather have a Stiletto and a,Mark6 with minor Improvements the mark5 needed would be interesting
 
rocknrolla":3i88t9kc said:
Why can't Mesa Boogie just admit it?
Because it's Mesa's fault you worry more about internet hype than just enjoying playing with quality amps? If you have such a big beef with Mesa then buy something else and quit bitching about them in EVERY thread you start.

You know Mesa loves taking that call…... :lol: :LOL:
 
Not to interrupt your mode of thinking, but I gigged a TriAxis/2:90 rig for almost 12 years, including time in "bar bands" and when combined with a midi effects box I found it significantly easier than dealing with heads and pedal boards and the cabling that required at gigs.

The 2:90 was overpowered for almost every gig I used it at, but the Simul-Class thing really enhanced the TriAxis. I should have tried it with that 5-band EQ pedal, but it was already on it's way out by the time I considered that idea.
 
Pushead":2isnenci said:
Not to interrupt your mode of thinking, but I gigged a TriAxis/2:90 rig for almost 12 years, including time in "bar bands" and when combined with a midi effects box I found it significantly easier than dealing with heads and pedal boards and the cabling that required at gigs.

The 2:90 was overpowered for almost every gig I used it at, but the Simul-Class thing really enhanced the TriAxis. I should have tried it with that 5-band EQ pedal, but it was already on it's way out by the time I considered that idea.


What's your rig like these days?
 
anomaly":e70csu38 said:
I heard it was the transformers in those old Mark IIC+ heads that made them so special??... and those transformers are just not available anymore. They did try to get that tone down for the Mark V and even the IV before it, but it's the transformers that lend it that unique tone and feel. Most guys that have played the IIC+ and the later Marks say it's mostly a "Feel" thing with those C+ heads, and that the tone is there on the IV and V, but the feel is off. I guess they just had a punchier and more dynamic sound with a nice smooth rolled off presence...
The early Recto's have Mark III transformers, supposedly?? I guess it comes down to "Old is better" in alot of case.

Seems like they could get the transformers made by someone. I mean, we aren't talking rocket science here. It's not like the materials are no longer found on Earth.
 
Every time I see one of these Mesa threads all I think about is the Strategy 500...
 
IMO, back in 87-90 some of the most amazing thrash bands I was checking out in LA were all over the Mark III sound... Mark III is my mesa of choice and I had two killer mark III's and wish I never sold them...
 
messenger":3e2kzymj said:
BrentSSL":3e2kzymj said:
But the triaxis is alot of amp ton maintain all the tubes and caps you have to replace if you are using it with the 2:90 and its too heavy for bar band gigs. I think a straight forward mark2cplus would earn alot because blue coller bar band guys could use them which is what the dual recs and marshall DsLs have seem to become and the 6505. These guys also use Marks but I could count on one hand how many times I have seen a Mark being used at a gig I think because they are tricky amps to use and it is alot easier to grab one of those other amps I mentioned for 1000.

You contradict yourself here.

Can't figure out the logic here, either.
 
jsp":34a0imub said:
What's your rig like these days?

At the moment I'm going back and forth between an early Single Rec and a 5153 with a few pedals. I have a KSR Artemis on order which should be here sometime late spring or early summer and will fit in the hole left by the TriAxis/2:90.
 
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