Why can't Mesa Boogie just admit it?

[BrentSSL]

I completely agree SteveK but it just makes me sad because their sound is such a big part of Metaland rock since the 80s. They haven't had a booth at Namm in years and thier amps have become entry level to high end equipment. Not that they are not trying to make good amps and not that I wouldn't use them if I couldn't get an older Dual rec. I just don't want to see my favorite amp manufacturer with so much legend and lore behind thier achievements retire before delivering one possibly more great amps.I feel like their amps would be better without this Multiwatt theme in every amp also

What?

I have BEEN at Mesa HQ, taken the tour of the manufacturing plant, and talked to their people in person. Mesa is awesome and they are not going anywhere.

Many guitar amps don't get their coveted status until long after they are out of production. Do you think early rectos had this status in 1993? No, they were just Dual Rectifiers. I'm sure 10-15 years from now something will come out that is special about the Mk4, or the Roadster, or the Mk1 Roadking, whatever..... long after they are out of production. No one cares today, because you can buy them off the shelf atm.

RJF I really like hearing your input because you are very helpful and knowledgeable I meant to delete that last post after proof reading it. I in no way was saying Mesa make bad amps or thier quality is poor its actually one of the best in the industry I work part time in a Mesa techs shop. I was trying to say that thier amps would be better if they had a tad more simplicity to thier amps. I mean peavey has not done much if anything to change the design of the 5150/6505 since it was originally made and it sounds awseome not my flavor but it is a tried and true design. To your comment about the parts not being made I get it no need to be so touchy about it lol and I agree reissues would be scrutinized this world over but they would be nice.

 

[BrentSSL]

Uberschallel34 I agree if it works it works thats what the Rev F is for me it was the second amp ever that I plugged into and just felt right.

messanger I am sure there is some of those new amps on albums but there are so many bands recording and so many types of equipment out there thats impossible to agree with or dispute lol

to all on this thread I don't call Mesa that much maybe like 10 times in 2 years I was just calling them recently to order parts for my rev F

 

[HerbieBoogie]

I just bought a tremoverb. It is drastically different from newer dual recs. It is brilliant.

 

[some dude]

I don't blame Mesa for not doing a reissue, while some people would be thrilled, it would be just another thing for some to bitch about.

I'm pretty sure that if Mesa re-released a 2 channel amp with shared gain, tone and volume controls, a shitty effects loop and mediocre reverb more people would be disappointed than excited.

 

[RJF]

I don't blame Mesa for not doing a reissue, while some people would be thrilled, it would be just another thing for some to bitch about.

I'm pretty sure that if Mesa re-released a 2 channel amp with shared gain, tone and volume controls, a shitty effects loop and mediocre reverb more people would be disappointed than excited.

Annnnnnnnd there we go.....

A good example of how the consumer doesn't know what they want as a whole and can't hardly agree on anything.

I'm so glad I'm not in the retail business.

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

folks might as well hate on Marshall too for not making the same old Plexi circuit, Major 200w amps of the past...oh wait, folks already do.

I personally think Mesa makes a damn fine amp. A good MkV when dialed in sounds incredible.

 

[BrentSSL]

You guys for sure have a point but I don't think any amps now will be as sought after as those 2 in the Mesa line up theres a Mark2cplus for sale for five grand rightnow in the classifieds the Mark5 will never be worth that much

 

[fretout]

1. They don't make them cuz the parts aren't atound anymore.

2. The company changed the design because they thought the latest revision was better than the previous already.

3. The only difference in the Mark Vs "IIC+" mode and an original IIC+ is the cap tied to the GEQ, and this is coming from several guys way more knowledgable than myself. The IIC+ on the Mark av is based upon a non-GEQ, non-simul Mark IIC+ Doug West owns. That's why its waaaaaayyyy different than the original.

Even if Mesa put out reissues that were 99.9999% original to spec, that .0001 would be the difference between classic and craptastic.

 

[mojotone]

I'm pretty sure that if Mesa re-released a 2 channel amp with shared gain, tone and volume controls, a shitty effects loop and mediocre reverb more people would be disappointed than excited.

I've heard plenty of people complain about the clean channel and FX loop of the Soldano SLO-100, but they are still selling amps today.

The clean channel of the Rev. C Dual Rectifier is not highly spoken of, and there are complaints about shared controls of the Mark IIC+ amps. Neither of them have a problem selling on the used market, at all.

As for the "they can't get the parts anymore" theory, they could definately pay someone to reverse engineer the components. It is just not worth it to them to do so. It's all about the bottom dollar. Does anyone else notice that their amps do not have push-pull pots anymore? Wonder why that is?

MONEY

 

[Chris6870]

They haven't had a booth at Namm in years and thier amps have become entry level to high end equipment.

Why should they have a booth at Namm? They are a small company and obviously very busy and if they can do it without Namm good for them. If they don't feel the need to attend a dog and pony show to sell product then why should they?

 

[SBlue]

So every time and I mean every time I talk to Mesa when I have a dual rectifier question and the 2 channel theory gets,brought up they say its all internet hype. They also have told me the same thing about the Mark iic+ and that the triaxis and the MarkVs version sounds every bit the same. I have owned every version of the rectifier series except for a tremoverb and a Pre500 there are significant differences in tone and feel and tightness. Why can't Mesa Boogie admit they had lightning in a bottle twice and just let it go. Thoughts and opinions

I talk to the guys at Mesa all the time. to the guys at Mesa Hollywood store even more often. Every time I've bought a different dual Rectifier, on the search for the perfect one, I've brought them the amp so they could give it a clean bill of health.
Same thing when I've got the MK-2b and MK-2c+.
Anyway, I've never felt the necessity for them to admit an amps is better than the other, or that the new ones are different.
Mesa customer service was always amazing to me, and so were their tech support. Even for teh amps I've got used.
Bottom line, I do own four old Mesa amps, MK-2b, MK-2c+, DR #211, DR #590 and the Roadster # 500. Have owned a 3 chnl DR, a Multi-watt DR, three other DRs(one rev F and two rev Gs), and I don't think if they say the new amps are not as good the old ones won't make my life even a bit better. But I understand your point. However, they have lightning in a bottle the whole time... you're the one who don't want to admit it.

 

[some dude]

Does anyone else notice that their amps do not have push-pull pots anymore? Wonder why that is?

MONEY

My Mark V has a push/pull pot, but truthfully I figured the reason for moving away from push/pull pots was because the mini-switches let them do three way switching instead of only two.

 

[some dude]

Why should they have a booth at Namm? They are a small company and obviously very busy and if they can do it without Namm good for them. If they don't feel the need to attend a dog and pony show to sell product then why should they?

I remember being told that NAMM was costing too much for too little return. With the Internet they can reach a far broader audience for less money. You can tell they've been investing that money in improving their website and gear demos the last couple of years.

 

[thiswaythatway]

You guys for sure have a point but I don't think any amps now will be as sought after as those 2 in the Mesa line up theres a Mark2cplus for sale for five grand rightnow in the classifieds the Mark5 will never be worth that much

Well, he's "trying" to get 5k for his IIC+. Good for him, he can ask whatever he wants. But if I had money falling out of my ass I still wouldn't pay that much for one and I expect that one not to sell for that price.

 

[Chris6870]

Why pay 5k when you can get it the IIC+ along with 5 other modes on the Mark V 25 for $1299. It's the same circuit, Randy himself says so.

 

[mojotone]

Does anyone else notice that their amps do not have push-pull pots anymore? Wonder why that is?

MONEY

My Mark V has a push/pull pot, but truthfully I figured the reason for moving away from push/pull pots was because the mini-switches let them do three way switching instead of only two.

The "Pull Mute" knob does nothing for the tone of the Mark V. I'm not saying that the IIC+ is worth $5,000 , but there were some assumptions made in the design of the IIC+ mode of the Mark V that were not to everyone's liking.

I owned a 2-channel Triple Rec for a few years, and loved to hate it.

 

[Racerxrated]

1. They don't make them cuz the parts aren't atound anymore.

2. The company changed the design because they thought the latest revision was better than the previous already.

3. The only difference in the Mark Vs "IIC+" mode and an original IIC+ is the cap tied to the GEQ, and this is coming from several guys way more knowledgable than myself. The IIC+ on the Mark av is based upon a non-GEQ, non-simul Mark IIC+ Doug West owns. That's why its waaaaaayyyy different than the original.

Even if Mesa put out reissues that were 99.9999% original to spec, that .0001 would be the difference between classic and craptastic.

Why the hell would Mesa base the 2C+ mode off of an amp like that?? Clearly the sought after 2C+ have the GEQ, simul, etc....that is really one stupid decision they made. No wonder people bitch about the 2C+ mode...it was modeled after The wrong amp!

 

[59Bassman]

This morning I've decided to feel blessed that I'm so stupid I don't realize how awful my Mark V is.....

 

[midnightlaundry]

Why the hell would Mesa base the 2C+ mode off of an amp like that?? Clearly the sought after 2C+ have the GEQ, simul, etc....that is really one stupid decision they made. No wonder people bitch about the 2C+ mode...it was modeled after The wrong amp!

It says in the MV owners manual in so many words that Tone Boy's amp had the IT factor. So according to them, it's the one that sounds best.So now you can throw out your 2C+ and get a V.

 

[se7en]

Mark V for the win.