Dime Tone.............4 Amps....which one did it better?

[harddriver]

Vid by Broken Level.......................4 amps and two different cabs, one Jaguar and one Celestion loaded Century cabinet.. What celestion speakers were in the Century 4x12 cabs???????

 

[RaceU4her]

My century cab has G12M-70s

 

[dead-pan]

Where is the Wizard?

 

[anomaly]

I think he got fairly close to the Trendkill tone with the '85 head and century cab like he said, it's got that same aggression. The Wizard was used on the track Hell's Wrath mixed in with the Randall's I believe?? It's pretty obvious to me that the Randall's are 90% of the tone on most of those songs.

 

[shar-vell Dan]

 

[anomaly]

There's a lot of people that think ALL high gain tones sound like angry bees.

 

[RaceU4her]

There's a lot of people that think ALL high gain tones sound like angry bees.

Angry bees and Cookie Monster singing

 

[dead-pan]

I think he got fairly close to the Trendkill tone with the '85 head and century cab like he said, it's got that same aggression. The Wizard was used on the track Hell's Wrath mixed in with the Randall's I believe?? It's pretty obvious to me that the Randall's are 90% of the tone on most of those songs.

Honestly, I didn't watch the video.

I just spent some time listening to Far Beyond Driven and much of the tone is a bit odd for me today. LOVED it when it was released.

Then I came to this one:



I hear some layers of the Randalls but I'm pretty sure the Wizard was used for most.

 

[RaceU4her]

Honestly, I didn't watch the video.

I just spent some time listening to Far Beyond Driven and much of the tone is a bit odd for me today. LOVED it when it was released.

Then I came this one:



I hear some layers of the Randalls but I'm pretty sure the Wizard was used for most.

from FBD:

What was your workhorse amp and guitar?

“I stuck to what I've always used – Randall amps, and my main guitar is still my blue ’81 Dean with the Kiss stickers. That guitar just can’t be topped. I use that on all the songs that are in standard tuning. When we tune down to D, I use my brown tobacco-burst Dean.

“The only thing that was really different on this album is that the signal from my guitar was routed through three Randall amps which were recorded simultaneously on each track – three amps mixed down to one track.

“One stack was effected with my MXR flanger, for a kind of hollow sound; another stack was just straight up and dry, and the third was set similar to the dry stack except that it had a little more gain. Separately, one sounded horrible, one sounded great and the other sounded bassy; but together they sounded incredible.”

 

[harddriver]

There's a lot of people that think ALL high gain tones sound like angry bees.

Sometimes those angry bee's sound fucking killer in certain applications...........Pantera is one of those applications.....

 

[harddriver]

I think he got fairly close to the Trendkill tone with the '85 head and century cab like he said, it's got that same aggression. The Wizard was used on the track Hell's Wrath mixed in with the Randall's I believe?? It's pretty obvious to me that the Randall's are 90% of the tone on most of those songs.

When someone post's a Wizard amp clip from that era that has that S/S clipping response and grind that sounds as good or better than his well established Randall tones then the use of the Wizards is just a layering tool done in the studio to broaden the recorded tone dynamics. Since there are alot of Dime tone fans all over You Tube not one has ever produced an era correct Wizard amp clip that rivals the Randall clips which are everywhere and prove time and time again where the core Dime tone emanated from.

I wish someone would record a 1990's Wizard amp so it can be compared directly to the Randall tones and see which one wins out. If the Wizard sounds more like Dimes tone then so be it.......I'm still waiting for someone to make this side by side comparison. You would think OLA would have by now since he is a huge Pantera fan.

If Dime thought so highly of the Wizards he used in the studio he would have been playing them LIVE and not gone to Krank amps to have an amp built to replace his Randall's when the warheads didn't live up to what he wanted or he just wanted a change of scenery....just using deductive reasoning here.

 

[harddriver]

The tube amp that sounds the closest to Dime's RG100ES and Century tones is the Randall RGT100 all tube amps with 6L6's.....
These amps had all 12ax7's and (still retained the 4V Zener clippers) and 6L6's even though Ola mistakenly says it had an S/S preamp.

 

[thegame]

Dime tone > Divine Intervention tone. Which isn’t saying much quite honestly

 

[psychodave]

That's part of the Dime tone. That said, the amp is set to sound like that. I personally do not set my RG100 to sound like this and I will say, its an incredible sounding and feeling amp and I would put it up against any tube amp. For the $300 I spent on it years and years ago, it was well worth it. Too bad it has ugly carpet.

 

[psychodave]

Regarding the video. I actually preferred the the 88 with Jag cab. The 85 was a little hollow sounding. The RG80 did sound super close, but I thought the 100 sounded ever so slightly thicker? The Celestion cab was not good IMO.

When he set the EQ for the Dime sound, I think having two heads set for each EQ curve would sound killer.

 

[shar-vell Dan]

That's part of the Dime tone. That said, the amp is set to sound like that. I personally do not set my RG100 to sound like this and I will say, its an incredible sounding and feeling amp and I would put it up against any tube amp. For the $300 I spent on it years and years ago, it was well worth it. Too bad it has ugly carpet.

Some still bag Randy Rhoads tone, i never got that. Everyone i knew wanted Randy's gear.
Darryl could have played rubber bands and made it work. He made his rig work for him but was a bit buzzy.
Massive talent tho.
Lynch early Dokken years played SS Randalls and nobody knew it wasnt tube.



Pretty sure this was the Randalls. I never knew what Dime was playing as Pantera kinda passed me by as i was raising 2 kids & running a business 35 years ago.

 

[harddriver]

Some still bag Randy Rhoads tone, i never got that. Everyone i knew wanted Randy's gear.
Darryl could have played rubber bands and made it work. He made his rig work for him but was a bit buzzy.
Massive talent tho.
Lynch early Dokken years played SS Randalls and nobody knew it wasnt tube.



Pretty sure this was the Randalls. I never knew what Dime was playing as Pantera kinda passed me by as i was raising 2 kids & running a business 35 years ago.

It is my understanding that the Tooth and Nail album was recorded with Randall amps and supposedly the RG100ES came about from Lynch taking a Jose Modded Marshall to Randall engineer Gary Sunda to clone.

Jerry Cantrell used his RG80's into the first tour of Facelift and they sounded really good, not a whole lotta bees in his tone, just a nice crunchy aggressive Marshall tone. Here's the demo with his RG80's.

Live 1990


It's no mistake that the Randall RG100ES's have pre-tonestack master volume and 4V zener clipping diodes in the circuit at all time exactly like a Jose modded Marshall.

 

[harddriver]

Regarding the video. I actually preferred the the 88 with Jag cab. The 85 was a little hollow sounding. The RG80 did sound super close, but I thought the 100 sounded ever so slightly thicker? The Celestion cab was not good IMO.

When he set the EQ for the Dime sound, I think having two heads set for each EQ curve would sound killer.

I liked the 88 more as well, the 1985 RG100ES just sounded a bit softer in the attack but it sounded good. The RG80 and 88 RG100 were pretty close.

 

[psychodave]

It is my understanding that the Tooth and Nail album was recorded with Randall amps and supposedly the RG100ES came about from Lynch taking a Jose Modded Marshall to Randall engineer Gary Sunda to clone.

Jerry Cantrell used his RG80's into the first tour of Facelift and they sounded really good, not a whole lotta bees in his tone, just a nice crunchy aggressive Marshall tone. Here's the demo with his RG80's.

Live 1990


It's no mistake that the Randall RG100ES's have pre-tonestack master volume and 4V zener clipping diodes in the circuit at all time exactly like a Jose modded Marshall.

The RG100ES is basically a Jose modded Marshall but all solid state. I like to pull the treble to get the "extra sustain"...which is nothing more then adding in the zeners. I would love to tinker with the zeners and use some really good vintage Motorola transistors, but I dont want to f up the amp. Talking with Cameron about the amp, he basically said you can mod it as its so close to a Marshall, but it obviously sounds very different.

 

[psychodave]

It is my understanding that the Tooth and Nail album was recorded with Randall amps and supposedly the RG100ES came about from Lynch taking a Jose Modded Marshall to Randall engineer Gary Sunda to clone.

Jerry Cantrell used his RG80's into the first tour of Facelift and they sounded really good, not a whole lotta bees in his tone, just a nice crunchy aggressive Marshall tone. Here's the demo with his RG80's.

Live 1990


It's no mistake that the Randall RG100ES's have pre-tonestack master volume and 4V zener clipping diodes in the circuit at all time exactly like a Jose modded Marshall.

That live show has some great tone. You can't miss that Randall RG sound.