Juggernaut
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Hey Brad, can I start making payments on a LTD Steph Tele 7? 
King Guitar
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Juggernaut":4pc00o3j said:Hey Brad, can I start making payments on a LTD Steph Tele 7?
I have 3 inbound to the shop now...
Juggernaut
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your shitting me? FUCK!!!!
Gonna have to see what I can come up with.
P.M. Me a price?
Gonna have to see what I can come up with.
P.M. Me a price?
WildNorth
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Brad:
Shoot me a PM if you have any FR Eclipses you want to unload on the cheap.
Shoot me a PM if you have any FR Eclipses you want to unload on the cheap.
King Guitar
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WildNorth":2hdg75gp said:
I just sold the one I had in stock but I can you another, PM sent.
Brad
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colimofsmoke
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SC tele is cray. never will understand that pup placement. would like to try one of these and see how they sound. these and the old super strat shaped ones.
steve_k
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gtrlw":1nufe87r said:
What he said.....
Good move or not retooling the line up, I am glad I own a room full of ESP's. My investment is growing. It's all about financials and consolidation in the market place. They see something that the spectators don't in buying trends and projections. As long as ESP continues kicking out high quality, kick ass guitars in production and limited runs, they will succeed.
That said, all mine are ESP branded, not LTD, by choice. Years of gear have taught me one thing.....guitar builds from the Japan or Germany are always a cut above most anything else. And, the guys at ESP are just too cool.
Steve
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glassjaw7":2yn9oalv said:
You mean on the 24 fret models?
bananaladonpcp
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colimofsmoke":3lu2xy4a said:
It's a bridge and middle pickup. No neck pickup. He thinks the neck pickup is too buttery.
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colimofsmoke
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yeah, i've heard all the explanations. i'd like to hear it for myself.
bananaladonpcp
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colimofsmoke":2hth4ky4 said:
I've played a few (strangely enough all of them that I played were in a guitar center..) and it's pretty interesting dude. Maybe it's just my area of florida but they don't seem to be uncommon. Hope you get the chance to rock one you might dig it.
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Shiny_Surface
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Bought another ESP this weekend due to this thread.
stanbog
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Smart move considering this threadKing Guitar":29vugbg5 said:
If i were you, i would not ring the bell yet though. Just get them, keep em locked up and come up in 1 year with the "lost shipment of the last ESP's"
sandman
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I'm heavily considering an ESP Vintage Plus
Aztec
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So is this a bad time to be selling my Horizon NT-II ?
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satannica
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I'm just going to put it plain and clear as day.
I love my ESPs. I'd not trade them for anything.
But I will not pay anything for a guitar with LTD on the headstock. Call me shallow, stupid, whatever. Bitten, they were crap, not doing it again.
If ESP decide that their prestigiousness is only for those with £3000 to spend with them, then I'm quite happy to switch to Jackson USA. I prefer them anyway. I don't give a monkeys how ESP sees it, what domestic markets they're trying to keep happy, etc. If the new price of ESP is that ludicrously high, then they're out of my price bracket permenantly! Thanks for the years!
I love my ESPs. I'd not trade them for anything.
But I will not pay anything for a guitar with LTD on the headstock. Call me shallow, stupid, whatever. Bitten, they were crap, not doing it again.
If ESP decide that their prestigiousness is only for those with £3000 to spend with them, then I'm quite happy to switch to Jackson USA. I prefer them anyway. I don't give a monkeys how ESP sees it, what domestic markets they're trying to keep happy, etc. If the new price of ESP is that ludicrously high, then they're out of my price bracket permenantly! Thanks for the years!
JerEvil
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I'm sorry but I agree with the above post that says, "no none aspires to be an LTD player."
Most touring artists that use LTDs get them at a significantly lower cost or even 1 or 2 for free. If they had their choice they would be playing ESP branded guitars and thats a fact. However, I know world touring musicians that get them as loaners as long as they are on large tours. The high exposure by metal bands with videos and what not is what drives people to be ok with "aspiring" to play a 1000 series.
You guys really think the artists who's sig models are LTDs don't wish they were Alexi or James??? Gimme a break. They are just glad for a potential new, albeit small revenue stream. What do the artists with sig LTD models get, 1 or 2 for free and a discount on the rest?
Value for dollar the LTD 400 series are there. Not too expensive and will hold up. My standard series Viper, DV8 and MII customs were brilliant guitars. There was not an LTD out at the time I had these (2006-2008) that compared. My Standard Viper played better than any 1000 series I have tried to date. If I didn't need cash to fund my move from Indy back to Vegas I'd still own those guitars.
Also lets talk resale:
Standard Series Viper:
Paid $1200 w/case, sold for $1050 plus shipping to Canada
DV8:
Paid $2200 w/case, sold $1995 shipped
MII Custom:
eBay score at $499 w/case, sold $875 plus shipping
That would never happen with LTDs.
Also, after my heartbreaking sale of the ESP DV8, I got an LTD version and my word, it did not compare in the least. Kept it for 8 weeks and used it as a down payment for my RR1.
Trust me, I have played some LTD's that played well but I'm sorry, as they are the EC series is not a $1k guitar. They sure as hell won't be a $1400 guitar. For $400 - $500 the 400 series are a good workhorse platform for modding.
All our tit-for-tat however is irrelevant. The Elite series will sell well enough and the brand loyalists will now be screaming from the rooftops that they are better than the standard series. That's fine. People for years have been saying they are ESP players even though they are using LTDs. Whatever.
It's the same argument that Epiphone owners use about them bring just as good. At least an Epiphone user won't call it a Gibson.
Most touring artists that use LTDs get them at a significantly lower cost or even 1 or 2 for free. If they had their choice they would be playing ESP branded guitars and thats a fact. However, I know world touring musicians that get them as loaners as long as they are on large tours. The high exposure by metal bands with videos and what not is what drives people to be ok with "aspiring" to play a 1000 series.
You guys really think the artists who's sig models are LTDs don't wish they were Alexi or James??? Gimme a break. They are just glad for a potential new, albeit small revenue stream. What do the artists with sig LTD models get, 1 or 2 for free and a discount on the rest?
Value for dollar the LTD 400 series are there. Not too expensive and will hold up. My standard series Viper, DV8 and MII customs were brilliant guitars. There was not an LTD out at the time I had these (2006-2008) that compared. My Standard Viper played better than any 1000 series I have tried to date. If I didn't need cash to fund my move from Indy back to Vegas I'd still own those guitars.
Also lets talk resale:
Standard Series Viper:
Paid $1200 w/case, sold for $1050 plus shipping to Canada
DV8:
Paid $2200 w/case, sold $1995 shipped
MII Custom:
eBay score at $499 w/case, sold $875 plus shipping
That would never happen with LTDs.
Also, after my heartbreaking sale of the ESP DV8, I got an LTD version and my word, it did not compare in the least. Kept it for 8 weeks and used it as a down payment for my RR1.
Trust me, I have played some LTD's that played well but I'm sorry, as they are the EC series is not a $1k guitar. They sure as hell won't be a $1400 guitar. For $400 - $500 the 400 series are a good workhorse platform for modding.
All our tit-for-tat however is irrelevant. The Elite series will sell well enough and the brand loyalists will now be screaming from the rooftops that they are better than the standard series. That's fine. People for years have been saying they are ESP players even though they are using LTDs. Whatever.
It's the same argument that Epiphone owners use about them bring just as good. At least an Epiphone user won't call it a Gibson.
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satannica
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I see the tactic; make the cheaper LTDs worse (bolt-on Vipers, REALLY?) so you push up the prices of the rest of the range while keeping quality low.
Yeah... out!
Yeah... out!
JerEvil
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Dude ... you are SUCH an American!!!satannica":1q3onawh said:
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satannica
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JerEvil":2zx2rb08 said:Dude ... you are SUCH an American!!!satannica":2zx2rb08 said:
LMAO
I really don't understand the comment. It's not totally unreasonable to come to the conclusions I have. And I can't see how it's "good business" to just say "Ah you're just being an American" when clearly the market that ESP want to market to are calling foul!
If they want to keep the ESP brand for high-end instruments, then great. The current ESP Standards ARE high-end instruments. Renaming them LTDs, coming with the BS of "it's the same guitar" is just crap! I spent money on my guitar - £1799 is not a small amount to spend on a guitar. And now you're branding it a cheap LTD? Nope, sorry, foul! I'm paying ESP money, I want an ESP logo. Nobody's going to scratch the logo off a Porsche 911 because they're fine with sticking a Nissan badge on there!
If you want to highlight the difference between an ESP Standard and an artist/custom shop ESP and ask people to pay the money for these? No problem, call them "ESP Custom Shop".
Look at Jackson. Their imports have Jackson on the headstock, the USA selects have Jackson and "Made in USA" on the headstock, while the custom shop, astonishingly, has "Jackson Custom Shop" on there.
And don't tell us not to compare guitar brands: we're guitar players, gear whores, whatever you may want to call us. We'll compare apples and oranges to chalk and hookers when it comes to ponying up a year's worth of hard saving!