Amps that run near 100% dissipation like the Cameron CCV?

[Beyond Black]

Can anyone really tell the fucking difference on their 2016 Bedroom to Living Room Tour?

Do what you want man. There's nothing inherently special about the CCV, other than it is the way Mark sets them up. Turn the MV up, run the bias up until you hear a bit of hiss, then roll it back a little and see where you are currently biased. It will be in the 80-90% range. Play until you have a tube failure. Buy new tubes. They aren't that expensive.

LOLOL I was thinking about the same thing. Sometimes I have to wonder what some guys are thinking when they are looking for a very specific amp, yet it's just to play in their house for a couple times until they sell it for something else. Good lord.

God forbid Joe Blow's CCV isn't "pre-Brad" or their BE 100 isn't the "latest version" for Madison Square Bedroom.

 

[LP Freak]

Can anyone really tell the fucking difference on their 2016 Bedroom to Living Room Tour?

Do what you want man. There's nothing inherently special about the CCV, other than it is the way Mark sets them up. Turn the MV up, run the bias up until you hear a bit of hiss, then roll it back a little and see where you are currently biased. It will be in the 80-90% range. Play until you have a tube failure. Buy new tubes. They aren't that expensive.

LOLOL I was thinking about the same thing. Sometimes I have to wonder what some guys are thinking when they are looking for a very specific amp, yet it's just to play in their house for a couple times until they sell it for something else. Good lord.

God forbid Joe Blow's CCV isn't "pre-Brad" or their BE 100 isn't the "latest version" for Madison Square Bedroom.

I thought that was your living room we were jamming in?

 

[Beyond Black]

Can anyone really tell the fucking difference on their 2016 Bedroom to Living Room Tour?

Do what you want man. There's nothing inherently special about the CCV, other than it is the way Mark sets them up. Turn the MV up, run the bias up until you hear a bit of hiss, then roll it back a little and see where you are currently biased. It will be in the 80-90% range. Play until you have a tube failure. Buy new tubes. They aren't that expensive.

LOLOL I was thinking about the same thing. Sometimes I have to wonder what some guys are thinking when they are looking for a very specific amp, yet it's just to play in their house for a couple times until they sell it for something else. Good lord.

God forbid Joe Blow's CCV isn't "pre-Brad" or their BE 100 isn't the "latest version" for Madison Square Bedroom.

I thought that was your living room we were jamming in?

OK, Madison Square Living Room in my case.

 

[LP Freak]

 

[Zachman]

Can anyone really tell the fucking difference on their 2016 Bedroom to Living Room Tour?

Do what you want man. There's nothing inherently special about the CCV, other than it is the way Mark sets them up. Turn the MV up, run the bias up until you hear a bit of hiss, then roll it back a little and see where you are currently biased. It will be in the 80-90% range. Play until you have a tube failure. Buy new tubes. They aren't that expensive.

LOLOL I was thinking about the same thing. Sometimes I have to wonder what some guys are thinking when they are looking for a very specific amp, yet it's just to play in their house for a couple times until they sell it for something else. Good lord.

They're wondering why 'that' tone isn't normally in their fingers, without that amp?

 

[psychodave]

Can anyone really tell the fucking difference on their 2016 Bedroom to Living Room Tour?

Do what you want man. There's nothing inherently special about the CCV, other than it is the way Mark sets them up. Turn the MV up, run the bias up until you hear a bit of hiss, then roll it back a little and see where you are currently biased. It will be in the 80-90% range. Play until you have a tube failure. Buy new tubes. They aren't that expensive.

LOLOL I was thinking about the same thing. Sometimes I have to wonder what some guys are thinking when they are looking for a very specific amp, yet it's just to play in their house for a couple times until they sell it for something else. Good lord.

God forbid Joe Blow's CCV isn't "pre-Brad" or their BE 100 isn't the "latest version" for Madison Square Bedroom.

I thought that was your living room we were jamming in?

OK, Madison Square Living Room in my case.

I don't play out anymore. Takes too much time away from my family. I would have no problem playing out again sometime in the future. At least I know I will sound good in a bar the size of my basement.

 

[glip22]

Can anyone really tell the fucking difference on their 2016 Bedroom to Living Room Tour?

Do what you want man. There's nothing inherently special about the CCV, other than it is the way Mark sets them up. Turn the MV up, run the bias up until you hear a bit of hiss, then roll it back a little and see where you are currently biased. It will be in the 80-90% range. Play until you have a tube failure. Buy new tubes. They aren't that expensive.

LOLOL I was thinking about the same thing. Sometimes I have to wonder what some guys are thinking when they are looking for a very specific amp, yet it's just to play in their house for a couple times until they sell it for something else. Good lord.

God forbid Joe Blow's CCV isn't "pre-Brad" or their BE 100 isn't the "latest version" for Madison Square Bedroom.

I thought that was your living room we were jamming in?

OK, Madison Square Living Room in my case.

Are you kidding. I had a killer bass player over who has been gigging for like 25 years. We jammed and after we
I don't play out anymore. Takes too much time away from my family. I would have no problem playing out again
sometime in the future. At least I know I will sound good in a bar the size of my basement.

Are you kidding. I had a killer bass player over who has been gigging for like 25 years. We jammed and after while we were talking, he said there was no way I could play that loud with the group. Said it sounded great. Basement jammers get to turn it up whereas playing clubs, or shows, we always have a sound guy to deal with. If you are not cutting, all you need to do mostly is lower your bass a little and turn up the mids and highs sometimes. Most of these modded Marshalls, Mesa's, etc.,have plenty of cut.

 

[Racerxrated]

Can anyone really tell the fucking difference on their 2016 Bedroom to Living Room Tour?

Do what you want man. There's nothing inherently special about the CCV, other than it is the way Mark sets them up. Turn the MV up, run the bias up until you hear a bit of hiss, then roll it back a little and see where you are currently biased. It will be in the 80-90% range. Play until you have a tube failure. Buy new tubes. They aren't that expensive.

LOLOL I was thinking about the same thing. Sometimes I have to wonder what some guys are thinking when they are looking for a very specific amp, yet it's just to play in their house for a couple times until they sell it for something else. Good lord.

God forbid Joe Blow's CCV isn't "pre-Brad" or their BE 100 isn't the "latest version" for Madison Square Bedroom.

I thought that was your living room we were jamming in?

OK, Madison Square Living Room in my case.

Are you kidding. I had a killer bass player over who has been gigging for like 25 years. We jammed and after we
I don't play out anymore. Takes too much time away from my family. I would have no problem playing out again
sometime in the future. At least I know I will sound good in a bar the size of my basement.

Are you kidding. I had a killer bass player over who has been gigging for like 25 years. We jammed and after while we were talking, he said there was no way I could play that loud with the group. Said it sounded great. Basement jammers get to turn it up whereas playing clubs, or shows, we always have a sound guy to deal with. If you are not cutting, all you need to do mostly is lower your bass a little and turn up the mids and highs sometimes. Most of these modded Marshalls, Mesa's, etc.,have plenty of cut.

Exactly. I can play WAY louder at home than I do at a gig. Of course, no one is home when I do crank it. If it wasn't for my loud as hell drummer I'd barely crack the master on either amp. Only way I can push my amps in a band setting is at an outdoor gig. And as you said, if you can't turn it up at a gig you have to push your mids. My eq at home is not as mid heavy as my gig eq for this reason. Its a real balancing act when I run wet/dry with the Strategy 400. 200w per side, just touching the volume overpowers the PA lol.....

 

[glip22]

Can anyone really tell the fucking difference on their 2016 Bedroom to Living Room Tour?

Do what you want man. There's nothing inherently special about the CCV, other than it is the way Mark sets them up. Turn the MV up, run the bias up until you hear a bit of hiss, then roll it back a little and see where you are currently biased. It will be in the 80-90% range. Play until you have a tube failure. Buy new tubes. They aren't that expensive.

LOLOL I was thinking about the same thing. Sometimes I have to wonder what some guys are thinking when they are looking for a very specific amp, yet it's just to play in their house for a couple times until they sell it for something else. Good lord.

God forbid Joe Blow's CCV isn't "pre-Brad" or their BE 100 isn't the "latest version" for Madison Square Bedroom.

I thought that was your living room we were jamming in?

OK, Madison Square Living Room in my case.

Are you kidding. I had a killer bass player over who has been gigging for like 25 years. We jammed and after we
I don't play out anymore. Takes too much time away from my family. I would have no problem playing out again


sometime in the future. At least I know I will sound good in a bar the size of my basement.

Are you kidding. I had a killer bass player over who has been gigging for like 25 years. We jammed and after while we were talking, he said there was no way I could play that loud with the group. Said it sounded great. Basement jammers get to turn it up whereas playing clubs, or shows, we always have a sound guy to deal with. If you are not cutting, all you need to do mostly is lower your bass a little and turn up the mids and highs sometimes. Most of these modded Marshalls, Mesa's, etc.,have plenty of cut.

Exactly. I can play WAY louder at home than I do at a gig. Of course, no one is home when I do crank it. If it wasn't for my loud as hell drummer I'd barely crack the master on either amp. Only way I can push my amps in a band setting is at an outdoor gig. And as you said, if you can't turn it up at a gig you have to push your mids. My eq at home is not as mid heavy as my gig eq for this reason. Its a real balancing act when I run wet/dry with the Strategy 400. 200w per side, just touching the volume overpowers the PA lol.....

There's this mentality guys that gig have about basement jammers not knowing what good tone is because there is not band. Not true at all. I can crank my amps as loud as I want. I completely get the differences in gigging. You just have to tweak a little to the mix and room. But, allot of basement guys can play way louder and actually have better tone because of it.

 

[LP Freak]

There is a downside to that also Gary. Without other instruments in the mix, what appears to sound great in the basement doesn't necessarily translate well. Besides, guys that play in a band also play in the basement.

 

[Racerxrated]

There is a downside to that also Gary. Without other instruments in the mix, what appears to sound great in the basement doesn't necessarily translate well. Besides, guys that play in a band also play in the basement.

Yes we do. I honestly have more fun at home BECAUSE I can push the whole rig...4 cabs, Jubilee/2C+ into the Strategy.....a wall of awesomeness. But like you said, as soon as we start playing I have to turn my mids up past 5-6 on the Marshall. At home my mids are on 3-4. We played a festival last July and I was able to bring everything, but still didn't even need the volume that high anyway. Still fun to gig but I don't think my soundguy even had me in the PA 2 weeks ago lol. My wife recorded a couple covers we do on the phone and you could hear me just fine.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

I have owned two Diezel VH4's, Soldano SLO 100s, wizard metal 100 W, Bogner ecstasies, I currently own a dozen late 60s and early 70s 100 W marshals, Bogner Ecstasy 100B amplifiers, an Aiken Saber, A new wizard MTL 100 W, a Steavens poundcake 100 W MKII... Maybe I am missing something in this thread, I am willing to learn something new every day, but every single one of these amps sounds like absolute garbage when they are biased too hot, they sound choked, mushy, absolute crap…
If I am missing something, somebody fill me in, I am always willing to try something new, unless of course, it's harmful or dangerous.

 

[psychodave]

There is a downside to that also Gary. Without other instruments in the mix, what appears to sound great in the basement doesn't necessarily translate well. Besides, guys that play in a band also play in the basement.

Yes we do. I honestly have more fun at home BECAUSE I can push the whole rig...4 cabs, Jubilee/2C+ into the Strategy.....a wall of awesomeness. But like you said, as soon as we start playing I have to turn my mids up past 5-6 on the Marshall. At home my mids are on 3-4. We played a festival last July and I was able to bring everything, but still didn't even need the volume that high anyway. Still fun to gig but I don't think my soundguy even had me in the PA 2 weeks ago lol. My wife recorded a couple covers we do on the phone and you could hear me just fine.

That's the thing. I (we, some of us) fully understand that what sounds good in the basement, may sound like crap in a different location. I listen when turning the dials and don't rely on where the knob is located.

I'm with you Racerxrated, at home I typically play through FOUR 4x12's. I don't play loud, but I do get some air moving. If I play at a friends, I'm lucky to get a 4x12.

Last year I brought some stuff to Rockinchippys house and we were going through three or four 4x12's. Made using a single 4x12 childs play. I do find that when using one 4x12, you need to play louder to get the amp moving air. Multiple cabinets obviously move more air at lower volumes.

 

[Racerxrated]

There is a downside to that also Gary. Without other instruments in the mix, what appears to sound great in the basement doesn't necessarily translate well. Besides, guys that play in a band also play in the basement.

Yes we do. I honestly have more fun at home BECAUSE I can push the whole rig...4 cabs, Jubilee/2C+ into the Strategy.....a wall of awesomeness. But like you said, as soon as we start playing I have to turn my mids up past 5-6 on the Marshall. At home my mids are on 3-4. We played a festival last July and I was able to bring everything, but still didn't even need the volume that high anyway. Still fun to gig but I don't think my soundguy even had me in the PA 2 weeks ago lol. My wife recorded a couple covers we do on the phone and you could hear me just fine.

That's the thing. I (we, some of us) fully understand that what sounds good in the basement, may sound like crap in a different location. I listen when turning the dials and don't rely on where the knob is located.

I'm with you Racerxrated, at home I typically play through FOUR 4x12's. I don't play loud, but I do get some air moving. If I play at a friends, I'm lucky to get a 4x12.

Last year I brought some stuff to Rockinchippys house and we were going through three or four 4x12's. Made using a single 4x12 childs play. I do find that when using one 4x12, you need to play louder to get the amp moving air. Multiple cabinets obviously move more air at lower volumes.

I have a cheapo Chorus pedal to split my signal, when I spread my cabs out in the room a bit in get this 'surround' sound feeling.. Not a true stereo setup but its fun. I can only imagine you two guys with those awesome amps! Maybe we can get Zachmans rig together with you and Rockinchippys? Some recording artists might be jealous at all that awesome gear!

 

[Nigel]

Something I can run JJ KT77's in at nearly 100% bias without them redplating and dying. I saw that CCV owners were running their tubes at 45ma+ at 550v and loving it. So, it looks like it's the only Class AB amp I could do that with.

I could be mistaken however I have a feeling what you are looking for tonally is not something you are going to find by biasing tubes at 100% MPD. There are many things that factor into great tone such as the entire amp's design but to be honest I don't think biasing an amp like this is going to make every amp sound amazing, rarely is this the case in my experience. Presuming the screen voltage is essentially the same as the plate voltage (550vdc) then biasing JJ-KT77's at 100% MPD is going to be problematic so be prepared for likely tube failures & repairs costs. As an average most larger players prefer 60% to 65% so perhaps it's worth looking at the right amp design & then biasing the amp to where it sounds & feels best.

At the end of the day go for what makes you happy tonally. It may cost you more money in tubes & repair costs but that's a choice you have to make. Best of luck to you on your tonal journey & I wish you all the best;


Trace Davis, President / Founder

Thanks so much for this thoughtful and considerate reply. The screen voltage was lower, and I did have 2K resistors instead of the stock 470's, which I believe is similar conceptually to the CCV: lower screen current. I'll keep experimenting. I've heard the grail sound and I won't stop until I achieve it consistently.

 

[Nigel]

Can anyone really tell the fucking difference on their 2016 Bedroom to Living Room Tour?

Do what you want man. There's nothing inherently special about the CCV, other than it is the way Mark sets them up. Turn the MV up, run the bias up until you hear a bit of hiss, then roll it back a little and see where you are currently biased. It will be in the 80-90% range. Play until you have a tube failure. Buy new tubes. They aren't that expensive.

LOLOL I was thinking about the same thing. Sometimes I have to wonder what some guys are thinking when they are looking for a very specific amp, yet it's just to play in their house for a couple times until they sell it for something else. Good lord.

God forbid Joe Blow's CCV isn't "pre-Brad" or their BE 100 isn't the "latest version" for Madison Square Bedroom.

I thought that was your living room we were jamming in?

OK, Madison Square Living Room in my case.

Are you kidding. I had a killer bass player over who has been gigging for like 25 years. We jammed and after we
I don't play out anymore. Takes too much time away from my family. I would have no problem playing out again
sometime in the future. At least I know I will sound good in a bar the size of my basement.

Are you kidding. I had a killer bass player over who has been gigging for like 25 years. We jammed and after while we were talking, he said there was no way I could play that loud with the group. Said it sounded great. Basement jammers get to turn it up whereas playing clubs, or shows, we always have a sound guy to deal with. If you are not cutting, all you need to do mostly is lower your bass a little and turn up the mids and highs sometimes. Most of these modded Marshalls, Mesa's, etc.,have plenty of cut.

Exactly. I can play WAY louder at home than I do at a gig. Of course, no one is home when I do crank it. If it wasn't for my loud as hell drummer I'd barely crack the master on either amp. Only way I can push my amps in a band setting is at an outdoor gig. And as you said, if you can't turn it up at a gig you have to push your mids. My eq at home is not as mid heavy as my gig eq for this reason. Its a real balancing act when I run wet/dry with the Strategy 400. 200w per side, just touching the volume overpowers the PA lol.....

Lololol...I got SCREAMED AT by the owner of this venue for being too loud...with a Rivera on low power (220v B+) AND Triode mode, for a whopping EIGHT WATTS:

(On the left)

 

[paulyc]

Can anyone really tell the fucking difference on their 2016 Bedroom to Living Room Tour?

Do what you want man. There's nothing inherently special about the CCV, other than it is the way Mark sets them up. Turn the MV up, run the bias up until you hear a bit of hiss, then roll it back a little and see where you are currently biased. It will be in the 80-90% range. Play until you have a tube failure. Buy new tubes. They aren't that expensive.

LOLOL I was thinking about the same thing. Sometimes I have to wonder what some guys are thinking when they are looking for a very specific amp, yet it's just to play in their house for a couple times until they sell it for something else. Good lord.

God forbid Joe Blow's CCV isn't "pre-Brad" or their BE 100 isn't the "latest version" for Madison Square Bedroom.

I thought that was your living room we were jamming in?

OK, Madison Square Living Room in my case.

Are you kidding. I had a killer bass player over who has been gigging for like 25 years. We jammed and after we
I don't play out anymore. Takes too much time away from my family. I would have no problem playing out again
sometime in the future. At least I know I will sound good in a bar the size of my basement.

Are you kidding. I had a killer bass player over who has been gigging for like 25 years. We jammed and after while we were talking, he said there was no way I could play that loud with the group. Said it sounded great. Basement jammers get to turn it up whereas playing clubs, or shows, we always have a sound guy to deal with. If you are not cutting, all you need to do mostly is lower your bass a little and turn up the mids and highs sometimes. Most of these modded Marshalls, Mesa's, etc.,have plenty of cut.

Exactly. I can play WAY louder at home than I do at a gig. Of course, no one is home when I do crank it. If it wasn't for my loud as hell drummer I'd barely crack the master on either amp. Only way I can push my amps in a band setting is at an outdoor gig. And as you said, if you can't turn it up at a gig you have to push your mids. My eq at home is not as mid heavy as my gig eq for this reason. Its a real balancing act when I run wet/dry with the Strategy 400. 200w per side, just touching the volume overpowers the PA lol.....

AS IT SHOULD BE !!! FACK THE PA ! LOL