Angine de Poitrine

[phillybhatesme]

Thelonius Monk had similar reasoning.

Monk was happily playing major 7ths and minor 2nds, but he was never doing microtonal stuff, was he?

 

[DanTravis62]

The interesting thing about microtonal music is that it tends to confuse people with absolute pitch. I have this ability and there's 12 very distinct feelings to each of the notes we are used to hearing. When you split them up between each note, it ends up sounding like both of those notes it is in between, rather than a unique tone. I suspect music wasn't really meant to be microtonal because of this reason. If you look at the color wheel in art, there's 12 colors and there's 12 music notes. I find it interesting that human senses and perception has this number 12 in both vision and hearing.

I don't have absolute pitch, and this music doesn't confuse me at all

It just sounds like every one of 5900 "math rock duos" with loop pedals that open up for my band 32 times a year and scare all the hoes off

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

Monk was happily playing major 7ths and minor 2nds, but he was never doing microtonal stuff, was he?

He believed in the imaginary notes (on piano) between two chromatics.

 

[lol]

I hope this isn’t a stupid question, so please don’t chew me out. Why not just play a fretless guitar and bass? That would be more fun imo.

 

[phillybhatesme]

I don't have absolute pitch, and this music doesn't confuse me at all

It just sounds like every one of 5900 "math rock duos" with loop pedals that open up for my band 32 times a year and scare all the hoes off

God, I love them lol.
Why are they all duos? I mentioned three earlier in the thread (Hella, Ahleuchastitas, and Giraffes? Giraffes!) and they're all coincidentally (ironically?) duos.

 

[DanTravis62]

God, I love them lol.
Why are they all duos? I mentioned three earlier in the thread (Hella, Ahleuchastitas, and Giraffes? Giraffes!) and they're all coincidentally (ironically?) duos.

Because it very rarely has real groove, so bassists very rarely want to play it (I assume)

It's also very hard to make functional harmony when the guitarist is just making beep-boop noises with his loop pedal, which probably plays into it too

 

[phillybhatesme]

Because it very rarely has real groove, so bassists very rarely want to play it (I assume)

It's also very hard to make functional harmony when the guitarist is just making beep-boop noises with his loop pedal, which probably plays into it too

It's funny, I deleted the part of my question that said, "is it because there's no groove?"
I am new to playing with bassists and have done the drum and guitar duo thing before (not in a math rock setting) and one drummer loved it. Another drummer wanted a bassist to lock in with; he didn't love following what the guitar was doing too closely.

 

[BABMusic]

Thelonius Monk had similar reasoning.
Just like food, our tastes are acquired and developed. I didn’t grow up eating vegemite or marmite and thus I think it’s absolutely disgusting. I have no taste for it. I also didn’t grow up listing to middle eastern music so I don’t really develop a taste for that either. My mother was a professional pianist with the Denver symphony, and therefore my ears are very sensitive to in and out of tune.

You likely did inherit that talent, which is great. I tried to train myself to hear quarter tones, but I was unsuccessful. For example, notes F# and G have completely different "feelings" to them, and it has nothing to do with the notes being high or low. When I hear the quarter tone between them, it's like hearing both of those feelings. Maybe someday I can learn to hear it better. Also, most people can sense when a choir is flat without having absolute pitch. It just sounds kind of yucky and weird.

 

[DanTravis62]

It's funny, I deleted the part of my question that said, "is it because there's no groove?"
I am new to playing with bassists and have done the drum and guitar duo thing before (not in a math rock setting) and one drummer loved it. Another drummer wanted a bassist to lock in with; he didn't love following what the guitar was doing too closely.

LOL i would argue your initial instincts were correct

As far as why one would love it and one wouldn't, I would say that's probably just down to the style of music? Some drummers love locking in with the guitars, some drummers love locking in with the bass, and it's almost entirely dependent on genre

 

[Metalhex]

It's funny about the eastern bloc rapey music comment because it was actually a Ukrainian dude that introduced me to this band and he was so excited about it

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

I hope this isn’t a stupid question, so please don’t chew me out. Why not just play a fretless guitar and bass? That would be more fun imo.

A lot of middle eastern music is in fact played on fretless instruments. It’s not even a new thing, just a new concept for some people.

 

[DanTravis62]

It's funny about the eastern bloc rapey music comment because it was actually a Ukrainian dude that introduced me to this band and he was so excited about it

Checks out completely

 

[Corey James]

I’m not going to read all the whine in this thread, but I love this video. And the comment section is pure therapy in between Microsoft Excel spreadsheets today.

Thanks for posting

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

Monk was happily playing major 7ths and minor 2nds, but he was never doing microtonal stuff, was he?

 

[phillybhatesme]

Man, I love Monk.
Straight No Chaser, the documentary was fascinating and I watched it in my early 20s, which aren't formative years, but in my musical world, those years were indeed formative for me. Watching this dude get up and spin around on stage and then go hammer some "wrong" notes was really inspiring when everything in my sphere was pop/rock adjacent.

I've gone on record saying that my influences are as such:
- I picked up the guitar because of Kurt Cobain.
- Thelonious Monk taught me that it's ok to play the wrong notes.
- The Dillinger Escape Plan taught me it was ok to play those wrong notes at the wrong time.

I don't write or play music like these guys and bands, but those are the deep influences for me.

Glad we could get there in this divisive thread lol.

 

[lol]

A lot of middle eastern music is in fact played on fretless instruments. It’s not even a new thing, just a new concept for some people.

True. The oud is the ancestor of the lute and guitar in general. And if I recall correctly, the “frets” on the European lute were tied on so microtonal stuff was pretty much done way way back.

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

I find this very applicable to this subject.

 

[shredi knight]

Updated my picture and made it more "personalized"...

 

[BABMusic]

I find this very applicable to this subject.

Funny thing is, I made a video in response to that video on why he is wrong.

 

[phillybhatesme]

Funny thing is, I made a video in response to that video on why he is wrong.

You should post it. I haven't watched Rick's video, but find the concept of perfect pitch to be fascinating. I think you can ear train and learn relative pitch, but it's not really the same as having perfect pitch.
Disclaimer: these statements were made with no evidence whatsoever.