Another LP Replica NGD

[Superunknown]

Here is a pic of my replica headstock. Phenomenal guitar and builder! Gibson should hire both of these incredible builders IMHO.

 

[ejecta]

I didn't have a choice as mine was already built when I bought it. That being said, I would have bought it even if it said Ejecta or, douche for that matter, on the headstock.

I don't but that for a second. Seems I touched a nerve though. When people start with the name calling it's a really good indication the ground they are standing on is very very weak.

Name calling?? Your RT name is Ejecta correct??

Anyway, extremely profound last sentence!!! I didn't quite understand your first sentence though?? But hey, I'm an Okie. Regardless, I will step lightly and take a good hard look at myself....

After I play my replica of course....

And the "douche" following ejecta wasn't aimed at me........riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Damn!!!! You caught that?!?! I will address that in my upcoming Replica Anonymous meeting. I am extremely judgemental at times and say stupid shit when I don't really know what I am talking about! I will work on that

I see what you did there. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

 

[ejecta]

Here is a pic of my replica headstock. Phenomenal guitar and builder! Gibson should hire both of these incredible builders IMHO.

He rubs off part of the copyrighted Les Paul signature logo???

Wait.....at closer look it looks like it's been rubbed out in Photoshop. Oh shit just when it couldn't get any funnier.

 

[Superunknown]

Here is a pic of my replica headstock. Phenomenal guitar and builder! Gibson should hire both of these incredible builders IMHO.

He rubs off part of the copyrighted Les Paul signature logo???

Wait.....at closer look it looks like it's been done in Photoshop. Oh shit just when it couldn't get any funnier.

I have six Gibson Les Pauls(2 Sykes, 1 Page, 1 Bloomfield, 2 Standards, ...love each of them dearly but the Yaron completely smokes them all. Even with the photoshop logo!

 

[messenger]

I kinda think Gibson made the replica scene seem ok when they released a sig model of one and then had the guy go and talk about the original being a copy.

 

[Anonymous]

I didn't have a choice as mine was already built when I bought it. That being said, I would have bought it even if it said Ejecta or, douche for that matter, on the headstock.

I don't buy that for a second. Seems I touched a nerve though. When people start with the name calling it's a really good indication the ground they are standing on is very very weak.

Look you guys can try and rationalize it all you want but it is illegal because it violates a protected design and logo. There is a reason why people don't show the head stocks and mention the builders. It's because they have something to hide. If it wasn't wrong then there would be nothing to hide.

Why don't you go bitch at Slash with your self-righteous, sanctimonious bullshit. His main guitar during the greatest success he had was a high quality replica and he's a Gibson endorser...

I don't feel the need to rationalize my guitar at all, nor am I bothered by your dumb posts as far as my decisions go. I just hate when a guy's NGD gets derailed with this crap. It isn't necessary...

Steve

 

[ejecta]

Here is a pic of my replica headstock. Phenomenal guitar and builder! Gibson should hire both of these incredible builders IMHO.

He rubs off part of the copyrighted Les Paul signature logo???

Wait.....at closer look it looks like it's been done in Photoshop. Oh shit just when it couldn't get any funnier.

I have six Gibson Les Pauls(2 Sykes, 1 Page, 1 Bloomfield, 2 Standards, ...love each of them dearly but the Yaron completely smokes them all. Even with the photoshop logo!

Just to be clear I meant someone rubbed the logo out in photoshop on the picture. Funny ass shit right there.
Anyway.... you all can try and place the blame on Gibson for not making a guitar at that level right now but that's irrelevant. There is a reason why you guys are trying to protect these builders and it's because Gibson has solid legal ground to go after them and you know it. Try and justify any way you want but it's true.

If Gil builds such great guitars then buy one of his other designs that doesn't violate copyright law...... oh wait we can't do that because gotta have the street cred of the Les Paul.

 

[ejecta]

I didn't have a choice as mine was already built when I bought it. That being said, I would have bought it even if it said Ejecta or, douche for that matter, on the headstock.

I don't buy that for a second. Seems I touched a nerve though. When people start with the name calling it's a really good indication the ground they are standing on is very very weak.

Look you guys can try and rationalize it all you want but it is illegal because it violates a protected design and logo. There is a reason why people don't show the head stocks and mention the builders. It's because they have something to hide. If it wasn't wrong then there would be nothing to hide.

Why don't you go bitch at Slash with your self-righteous, sanctimonious bullshit. His main guitar during the greatest success he had was a high quality replica and he's a Gibson endorser...

I don't feel the need to rationalize my guitar at all, nor am I bothered by your dumb posts as far as my decisions go. I just hate when a guy's NGD gets derailed with this crap. It isn't necessary...

Steve

Slash has nothing to do with this. Wow... The mental gymnastics are amazing around here.

Again if someone took your amp and made an exact copy of it right down to the logo you'd have a shit fit and you know it. You'd have every reason to be pissed and take legal action to make them stop.

Absolutely amazing the irony.

 

[journeyman73]

I didn't have a choice as mine was already built when I bought it. That being said, I would have bought it even if it said Ejecta or, douche for that matter, on the headstock.

I don't buy that for a second. Seems I touched a nerve though. When people start with the name calling it's a really good indication the ground they are standing on is very very weak.

Look you guys can try and rationalize it all you want but it is illegal because it violates a protected design and logo. There is a reason why people don't show the head stocks and mention the builders. It's because they have something to hide. If it wasn't wrong then there would be nothing to hide.

Why don't you go bitch at Slash with your self-righteous, sanctimonious bullshit. His main guitar during the greatest success he had was a high quality replica and he's a Gibson endorser...

I don't feel the need to rationalize my guitar at all, nor am I bothered by your dumb posts as far as my decisions go. I just hate when a guy's NGD gets derailed with this crap. It isn't necessary...

Steve

Slash has nothing to do with this. Wow... The mental gymnastics are amazing around here.

Again if someone took your amp and made an exact copy of it right down to the logo you'd have a shit fit and you know it. You'd have every reason to be pissed and take legal action to make them stop.

Absolutely amazing the irony.

seriously, why are you even in the thread?

to piss on someone's excitement? the title clearly states its a replica thread...you clearly have an issue with replicas...why even post in it?

are you going to use the tired, lame excuse that its a discussion forum and youre entitled to your opinion and that somehow gives you license to be a jerk and bring down a new guitar owner's happiness?

 

[Steinmetzify]

Slash has nothing to do with this. Wow... The mental gymnastics are amazing around here.

Again if someone took your amp and made an exact copy of it right down to the logo you'd have a shit fit and you know it. You'd have every reason to be pissed and take legal action to make them stop.

Absolutely amazing the irony.

Slash has everything to do with it. If you're just talking moral code and right and wrong or whatever, Gibson did it first. Instead of filing legal action about it, they took a replica made by a famous builder, which was much higher quality than what they do, made a copy of it and sold thousands of them....thanks to that replica. It's not about right and wrong to them, it's about MONEY. If Gibson could get these guys to come work for them building guitars for cheaper that they could sell for $20,000, you bet your ass they'd do it.

I have a replica as well....not of this caliber, but better than pretty much every Gibson I've ever played, including my '89 Custom. Gibson couldn't build what I want, so I went elsewhere.

Also for the record, Steve's designs are online IIRC.....he's encouraged people to build his amp, so you have no argument there. As far as amps go, I don't think I've ever seen anyone rag on someone on RT for having a custom amp built to copy THAT tone and putting a Marshall logo on it, even though it's clearly not a Marshall.

seriously, why are you even in the thread? to piss on someone's excitement? the title clearly states its a replica thread...you clearly have an issue with replicas...why even post in it?

are you going to use the tired, lame excuse that its a discussion forum and youre entitled to your opinion and that somehow gives you license to be a jerk and bring down a new guitar owner's happiness?

This too...what kind of person decides 'hey, instead of just leaving my nose out of it or congratulating someone on something they've gotten and always wanted, I'm going to go in and shit all over it because I'm that moral and upright?' If it bothers you so much that there are 18 guitars built in the world every year that say Gibson on them and they're not, why even bother posting in the thread?

You really think that because you say anything all the guys that have gone through countless guitars looking for something that Gibson can't give them are really going to change their minds about ordering a $10,000 guitar built to their specs and built by one guy in a shop? Are you just trying to amaze people with your moral standards or are you just trying to make someone feel bad because they're doing something you don't morally agree with? I don't smoke weed, but I don't feel a need to justify it to the people that do. So what if it's illegal? I'm not going to get into trouble for smoking it, because I don't smoke it. I don't try to jump on a moral pedestal and preach to the people that do, either. Is it REALLY so hard to just bop in and say 'hey, HNGD man, that thing looks great' or NOT come in and say nothing at all? THAT hard?!

Man I remember RigTalk as being a place where people could come and talk about gear.....seems like every other thread gets derailed by this bullshit anymore....whether it's political or morals or just someone basically whining about how their $400 amp is just as good as a $4,000 amp or whatever. Now you have to justify your gear purchases too?

'I got a ______, you guys! REALLY stoked for it, sounds great, easy to record with etc....'

'Man, I can't believe you fell for that hype....the ________ blow and the dude that runs that company is a crook! You should return it and get a 5153!!!'



This board used to be full of useful info and guys that would help you out when looking for a certain guitar or pickup or amp, or even fucking SELL you what you were looking for. The gear bashing and moral outrage around this place anymore is really pretty fucking lame. It's playing guitar, not raping fucking babies for fuck's sake....motherfuckers need to get their priorities straight.

Also: HNGD OP. This thing is badass.

 

[sjk]

Slash has nothing to do with this. Wow... The mental gymnastics are amazing around here.

Again if someone took your amp and made an exact copy of it right down to the logo you'd have a shit fit and you know it. You'd have every reason to be pissed and take legal action to make them stop.

Absolutely amazing the irony.

Slash has everything to do with it. If you're just talking moral code and right and wrong or whatever, Gibson did it first. Instead of filing legal action about it, they took a replica made by a famous builder, which was much higher quality than what they do, made a copy of it and sold thousands of them....thanks to that replica. It's not about right and wrong to them, it's about MONEY. If Gibson could get these guys to come work for them building guitars for cheaper that they could sell for $20,000, you bet your ass they'd do it.

I have a replica as well....not of this caliber, but better than pretty much every Gibson I've ever played, including my '89 Custom. Gibson couldn't build what I want, so I went elsewhere.

Also for the record, Steve's designs are online IIRC.....he's encouraged people to build his amp, so you have no argument there. As far as amps go, I don't think I've ever seen anyone rag on someone on RT for having a custom amp built to copy THAT tone and putting a Marshall logo on it, even though it's clearly not a Marshall.

seriously, why are you even in the thread? to piss on someone's excitement? the title clearly states its a replica thread...you clearly have an issue with replicas...why even post in it?

are you going to use the tired, lame excuse that its a discussion forum and youre entitled to your opinion and that somehow gives you license to be a jerk and bring down a new guitar owner's happiness?

This too...what kind of person decides 'hey, instead of just leaving my nose out of it or congratulating someone on something they've gotten and always wanted, I'm going to go in and shit all over it because I'm that moral and upright?' If it bothers you so much that there are 18 guitars built in the world every year that say Gibson on them and they're not, why even bother posting in the thread?

You really think that because you say anything all the guys that have gone through countless guitars looking for something that Gibson can't give them are really going to change their minds about ordering a $10,000 guitar built to their specs and built by one guy in a shop? Are you just trying to amaze people with your moral standards or are you just trying to make someone feel bad because they're doing something you don't morally agree with? I don't smoke weed, but I don't feel a need to justify it to the people that do. So what if it's illegal? I'm not going to get into trouble for smoking it, because I don't smoke it. I don't try to jump on a moral pedestal and preach to the people that do, either. Is it REALLY so hard to just bop in and say 'hey, HNGD man, that thing looks great' or NOT come in and say nothing at all? THAT hard?!

Man I remember RigTalk as being a place where people could come and talk about gear.....seems like every other thread gets derailed by this bullshit anymore....whether it's political or morals or just someone basically whining about how their $400 amp is just as good as a $4,000 amp or whatever. Now you have to justify your gear purchases too?

'I got a ______, you guys! REALLY stoked for it, sounds great, easy to record with etc....'

'Man, I can't believe you fell for that hype....the ________ blow and the dude that runs that company is a crook! You should return it and get a 5153!!!'



This board used to be full of useful info and guys that would help you out when looking for a certain guitar or pickup or amp, or even fucking SELL you what you were looking for. The gear bashing and moral outrage around this place anymore is really pretty fucking lame. It's playing guitar, not raping fucking babies for fuck's sake....motherfuckers need to get their priorities straight.

Also: HNGD OP. This thing is badass.

AWESOME post! Pretty easy to see who is happy in life and who is not from some of the bullshit you see on here. Some unhappy bastards on here for sure Too bad for them

 

[bonedarrell]

I didn't have a choice as mine was already built when I bought it. That being said, I would have bought it even if it said Ejecta or, douche for that matter, on the headstock.

I don't but that for a second. Seems I touched a nerve though. When people start with the name calling it's a really good indication the ground they are standing on is very very weak.

Name calling?? Your RT name is Ejecta correct??

Anyway, extremely profound last sentence!!! I didn't quite understand your first sentence though?? But hey, I'm an Okie. Regardless, I will step lightly and take a good hard look at myself....

After I play my replica of course....

And the "douche" following ejecta wasn't aimed at me........riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Damn!!!! You caught that?!?! I will address that in my upcoming Replica Anonymous meeting. I am extremely judgemental at times and say stupid shit when I don't really know what I am talking about! I will work on that

I see what you did there. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

WOW!!!! We finally agree on something!!! It wasn't meant to be hilarious. It was meant to be sad

 

[ejecta]

First of all I didn't start the thing about copyright and showing the headstock. Someone else did.

I like looking at guitars not so that's why I looked and read through the posts.

That was Gibson's right to do what they did with Slash because they own the design and had the right to choose whether go ahead and work with the builder or ask him legally to stop.

I think it's so ironic to see so many people even ones in this thread who cry and bitch about downloading music and services like Spotify because you claim it rips off the owner of that copy righted material. But when it comes to a guitar it's ok to make an exact copy of that down to the logo and offer it for sale.

I find it very telling that all anyone has done is attack me and not pose any well thought out counter to why making excact copies of a copyrighted guitar is ok within the law.

Oh.... and it's so stupid that pointing out the illegality of this is seen as shitting on a thread where you guys are praising a guy for buying something from a thief. Wow.

 

[ejecta]

First of all I didn't start the thing about copyright and showing the headstock. Someone else did.

I like looking at guitars not so that's why I looked and read through the posts.

That was Gibson's right to do what they did with Slash because they own the design and had the right to choose whether go ahead and work with the builder or ask him legally to stop.

I think it's so ironic to see so many people even ones in this thread who cry and bitch about downloading music and services like Spotify because you claim it rips off the owner of that copy righted material. But when it comes to a guitar it's ok to make an exact copy of that down to the logo and offer it for sale.

I find it very telling that all anyone has done is attack me and not pose any well thought out counter to why making excact copies of a copyrighted guitar is ok within the law.

Oh.... and it's so stupid that pointing out the illegality of this is seen as shitting on a thread where you guys are praising a guy for buying something from a thief. Wow.

we bomb. muder ruthlesslessy, set up dictators , kill THEM, and destroy the lives of millions to get oil for this country...are you not pumping gas? or are you only concerned about guitar luthiers?

Oooooh! Nice straw man.

 

[ejecta]

Uh yes it really is a straw man. But I'll give you an A for effort.... or maybe not. It's weak.

 

[xXDaveyJonesXx]

Absolutely stellar build there, OP. Congrats!

Sorry the trolls just had to turn your thread to shit, though. Damn shame.

I got sick of the dramatics here for a while and stepped away for a bit. Took up archery and joined a forum to see what's up in the archery world. Same shit, different pile. The world is just crawl'n with em. You're one of the good ones as far as I'm concerned and you deserve this.

Happy NGD!

You should go on the mountain bike forums its even worse...those with the least talent have the most expensive carbon fiber gear.. and the condescension, as a result, is pretty funny...

Sweet Jeebuz, I could only imagine.

Anyway, I'm not contributing to it anymore. Too much piss in this sandbox. Think I'll just stick to cruizing the classifieds for now until the mods decide to clean this place up a bit.

HNGD, OP!!

 

[Anonymous]

Slash has nothing to do with this. Wow... The mental gymnastics are amazing around here. .

So, let me understand. Slash does exactly the same thing the OP (and a few others writing in this thread) has done - have built and use a high quality replica guitar with a Gibson logo on the headstock, but he has nothing to do with this? Are you kidding me? Perhaps you should spend a little time on Luminosity...

Some interesting stuff from an article on replicas (reproduced from a previous replica thread here that went bad

Slash's Replicas

The Reality of Replicas

Undoubtedly, major guitar manufacturers like Gibson, Fender, and Ibanez view any instrument produced by an unofficial source to be counterfeit. And legally that’s certainly true. But the handmade replica culture is not the same thing as some unsuspecting musician getting ripped off. Instead, all parties involved (except the major companies) agree that this can be an honorable transaction among consenting adults—one that involves high-quality instruments.

“Keep in mind that a guitar builder is very similar to an artist,” says Roman Rist. “For an artist to pull off a convincing Picasso means he has arrived. It is not about passing off a fake. Rather, it’s a way of saying ‘Hey, this is my business card. If I can do this, I can do just about anything.’”

Some replica builders who did not want to be identified in this story even have relationships with the companies they’re copying. They might do custom work for those manufacturers or help out in a pinch. Replicas are frequently of such stellar quality that they command high prices on the vintage market to this day.

“The last nice Max-made Les Paul that I know of changed hands for $45,000,” says Howie Hubberman. Baranet himself won’t confirm this, but when offered a range of $35,000 to $50,000, he says, “They’ve resold much higher than that.”

Ironically, some replica builders are so respected that other people copy their work.

“There are more forgeries of my stuff than my replicas of the corporate stuff,” Baranet laughs.

Again if someone took your amp and made an exact copy of it right down to the logo you'd have a shit fit and you know it. You'd have every reason to be pissed and take legal action to make them stop.

Absolutely amazing the irony.

Oh yes, the same old tired nonsense you asked in the thread mentioned above that you took a shit on:

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156983&hilit=replica+gibson&start=50

Rather than just reference it, here's what I said the last time you asked the same exact question:

I knew this was coming, and it is a fair question. The only thing I am conflicted on in the least is the logo/name, however, as I said, that aspect is irrelevant to me. In other words, I'd buy the guitar with whatever was written on the headstock. To me that has no value. The guitar will have more value as what it really is, so passing it off as something from the original manufacturer makes no sense and any real buyer is going to know it is not a real '59... It is a replica and people make replicas of all kinds of things down to the last detail...

If the original manufacturer was making guitars like this, I'd buy one, but they don't... that is why there is a small market for these in the first place.

As far as making something that copies a design, it happens every day. Ceriatone and any number of amp companies make a living directly copying other designs EXACTLY, putting a different logo on the final product and selling it (usually cheaper) and no one seems to have much issue with that. You can't really protect amp designs - they are simple circuits and it is cost prohibitive to try to actually patent any innovation around them for small companies anyway. You have to have deep pockets to enforce a patent. Not worth it... I think patenting guitar bodies and head stocks that have been in the public domain for 60 years is laughable, especially since many companies were making the same style guitars forever. It is just a way to try and control the market now...

Finally, it would be silly of anyone to use my name and logo. I have very low market penetration, so anyone copying my amp would be better off putting their own name on it. if someone was making an exact copy of my amp with a different name, there would be nothing I could do about it frankly, so I wouldn't care in the least... If it was really an exact copy down to the components, I'd know for a fact they couldn't price it cheaper than I have and make money...

Please try to remember my answer next time so I don't have to keep re-posting it... or, maybe, just keep your thoughts to yourself since you keep repeating yourself in every LP replica thread and you never get the answer you want...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

As far as amps go, I don't think I've ever seen anyone rag on someone on RT for having a custom amp built to copy THAT tone and putting a Marshall logo on it, even though it's clearly not a Marshall.

Excellent point (actually your whole post was great!). I've never seen anyone say one damn thing about putting a Marshall logo on a clone, but, boy, these LP replica threads bring out the morality force en masse. Could it be that there's a bit of jealousy at play because of the cost of these guitars? I dunno, but it certainly is interesting that there are never any complaints about the Marshall logos people stick on just about every cheapo Ceriatone clone... or the Charvel or Fender logos they stick on their Musikraft/Warmoth, etc. builds...

Steve

 

[Steinmetzify]

Oh.... and it's so stupid that pointing out the illegality of this is seen as shitting on a thread where you guys are praising a guy for buying something from a thief. Wow.

No, the stupid part is where YOU go into a thread on a guitar forum and into a thread with 'REPLICA' in the title and proceed to make certain everyone in there knows it's not a Gibson and that the guy who's building them is a 'thief'.

Everyone that read the thread title knows it's not a Gibson, and comes in and says 'hey, that turned out really well, nice job!' You didn't do that, you did the complete opposite; came in and asserted your moral code into some guy's NGD....and that's pretty much an asshole thing to do. What concern is it of yours where some guy spends his money?

It's not 'seen' as shitting on a thread, is IS shitting on a thread.

Are you trying to tell me that you don't do anything against the law, ever? You don't speed, you never do drugs, you don't pop down to your local bar for a beer and then drive home or play with freeware or pirated games or you've never stolen cable or threw someone else's mail into the trash or whatever? NEVER BREAK ANY LAWS?

If not, that's cool too. But just because someone does something that goes against your personal moral code doesn't mean that you should open your mouth and say something about it...especially something as meaningless as a fuckin guitar, man. Having a moral code doesn't give you instant justification and doesn't mean you're right. It's just an opinion, and you fucked up a guy's NGD just so you could feel morally superior.

Rape, child molestation, murder, sure...these are things you can stop on the spot because they go against your moral code. Shitting on someone's NGD because you in your heart of hearts feel that it's wrong doesn't make you a better person than they are. It just makes you an outspoken dick.

Is it illegal? Yeah. Is it morally repugnant? That's a matter of opinion. Is it something worth arguing over and over again? Not really...but people like you always seem to think it is. Taking a page out of some people's books around here and gonna block a bunch of people...there are far too many people around here that seem to want to argue the moral high ground about FUCKING GUITARS.

Get a grip.

 

[Beyond Black]

Awesome guitar, Steve. Crying shame that certain douchebags had to shit on your NGD with their cunty little comments. My how the mighty Rigtalk has fallen.....