nevusofota
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Players in all genres benefit by studying what influenced their influences.
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jack butler
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Sure, but this is more a question of generation gap. When does the direct influence end?
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bonedarrell
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jack butler":25qgbsi8 said:
The point is that some of those that influenced you WERE influenced by EVH. I am not perplexed why you have your opinion of Ed. My question to you is; Why do you give a shit about why others dig his tone and playing??
bonedarrell
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jack butler":qaimssd3 said:
And, as you stated, Dimebag is one of your influences.
Steinmetzify
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Think age has a lot to do with it. I was 13 when AFD came out and Slash made me wanna play guitar. I wanted an LP too. 17 when CFH came out, and that was the blaster for us at the time. Everything that comes out of me and my friends riff-wise has some element of Dime in it. Leads sound like a combination of Slash and Dime.
I understand it, and realize that my heroes were influenced by EVH, but I've never gone nuts obsessing over his tone. I remember the article where he talked about Ted Nugent wanting to play his gear and being pissed that he didn't sound anything like Ed when he did. That being said, I love listening to EVH when I have time...not so much as to pick up tricks or whatever, but just because it always sounded like he was having a blast playing. All his stuff sounds like he tried to inject an element of fun into it; like all the stuff he came up with was just him sitting alone with his guitar making cool noises that eventually became songs, and I dig that.
Plus, whether he designed it that way or not, the 5150 rules for metal and always will.
I understand it, and realize that my heroes were influenced by EVH, but I've never gone nuts obsessing over his tone. I remember the article where he talked about Ted Nugent wanting to play his gear and being pissed that he didn't sound anything like Ed when he did. That being said, I love listening to EVH when I have time...not so much as to pick up tricks or whatever, but just because it always sounded like he was having a blast playing. All his stuff sounds like he tried to inject an element of fun into it; like all the stuff he came up with was just him sitting alone with his guitar making cool noises that eventually became songs, and I dig that.
Plus, whether he designed it that way or not, the 5150 rules for metal and always will.
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EyesOfTheSouth
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I'm 43. I really dig the first 3 VH albums. But I could care less about wasting my time trying to figure out what the extra hole in his Plexi is for. People getting their panties in a wad about it when there are "at least" a dozen amps out there today that will sound close enough......or even better.
jcm800x4
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jack butler":42vcu0uz said:I was 14 when Cowboys From Hell came out. That was ground breaking tone for me at the time. VH is huge contributor the music world, when the 5150 came out I was blown away. The 5150 has nothing in common with VH 1,2 or maybe any VH albums tones, it's a "Metal Amp". I'm not minimizing EVH's contributions to music, but his tone and songs don't move me.rlord1974":42vcu0uz said:Well shit, I was only 4 years old when the first VH album came out! I can remember my dad listening to "Dance The Night Away" and some other tunes off of VH II when I was just a little guy. I probably started listening to VH myself when I was 8 or 9, when the Diver Down album came out. I was seriously into the 1984 album when it came out, and I was only 10!
That being said, Ed was never really a huge influence on my guitar playing, nor do I chase his tone. I do recognize the importance he played in rock music and how groundbreaking his tone was at the time. There really is no denying that he had phenomenal tone on those early albums. I guess the guys that didn't think so at the time were more into....
Same can be said for dime. I understand and respect his influence on rock and metal. I like a lot of the songs. But the solid state bumble bee tone does nothing for me. But he was a phenomenal guitarist.
Mailman1971
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I actually listen to more Flock of Seagulls songs these days then Van Halen. True Story. 
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jack butler
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It's to get an understanding. There's a point in time when any artist becomes less influential. I was asking if he's become less influential within my age group. I don't hate EVH but I don't love him either. I'm aware of his contributions.
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RG955TT
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I love listening to EVH when I have time...not so much as to pick up tricks or whatever, but just because it always sounded like he was having a blast playing. All his stuff sounds like he tried to inject an element of fun into it; like all the stuff he came up with was just him sitting alone with his guitar making cool noises that eventually became songs, and I dig that.
Plus, whether he designed it that way or not, the 5150 rules for metal and always will.[/quote]
The "fun" element is a big part of it for me. I hear that in his playing, especially the early stuff. That and he was always grinning like a chesire cat and you could just tell he loved playin like that and that personality came thru his playing too. It was technical and free wheeling and bombastic all at the same time, always sounded off the cuff like he was just playing winging it, just his winging it was off the rails good.
Plus, whether he designed it that way or not, the 5150 rules for metal and always will.[/quote]
The "fun" element is a big part of it for me. I hear that in his playing, especially the early stuff. That and he was always grinning like a chesire cat and you could just tell he loved playin like that and that personality came thru his playing too. It was technical and free wheeling and bombastic all at the same time, always sounded off the cuff like he was just playing winging it, just his winging it was off the rails good.
nevusofota
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I think its more of a genre question than a generation question. Most jazz and blues guys are influenced by the pioneers in the genre. You'll be hard pressed to find a "young" jazz guitarist say they are influenced by Pat Metheny and John Scofield then say they hate or don't care about Wes Montgomery. Maybe "young" rock guitarist aren't as disciplined and don't take the time to learn, understand and respect the origins of modern rock guitar.jack butler":2hp45b8y said:
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jack butler
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If you reply to this post, please indicate above or below 40 years old.
bonedarrell
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jack butler":2bc5rkx9 said:
I just happen to disagree with your second sentence. Many players of all ages refer to a variety of guitarist as influences....Hendrix, Page, EVH, Slash, Gibbons, Robert Johnson, Dime etc......
There is nothing that supports "an artists influence eventually fades and is purely generational". You just don't dig EVH....nothing more, nothing less. I am sure there are many players younger than you that are influenced by guitar players that even influenced EVH. As a musician, I believe it is wise to keep you horizons open as wide as possible.
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UltraGary
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I'm over 40. Eddie is one of my #1~Favorite players ever. I'm such a fan that I actually enjoy geeking out on reading little factoids about his stuff.
That said: Some people are embarassingly whacked out spending their energy debating details about his "tone", etc.. I especially like when someone geeks out about some minute detail...and then someone else gets on... and before arguing their point, they say something like "Well I hang out with ____ ____, who used to set up Ed's amps....and you're wrong because....."
That said: Some people are embarassingly whacked out spending their energy debating details about his "tone", etc.. I especially like when someone geeks out about some minute detail...and then someone else gets on... and before arguing their point, they say something like "Well I hang out with ____ ____, who used to set up Ed's amps....and you're wrong because....."
nevusofota
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under 40
Steinmetzify
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Staring 40 dead in the face...39 until February.
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lessthan12
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Im 29 and Eddie is the reason I started playing dude. Yes I care about chasing his tone! Rock on!
bonedarrell
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nevusofota":2fbxpqwm said:
Nicely stated