Anyone under 40 care?

[Motorpud]

I think its pretty much the same few people slobbing on his knob and making every other post about how great he is. Unfortunately, I think the weird obsession with VH that manifests itself here with these fellows has actually driven away some people.

If you enjoy talking about VH all day, every day you would be better served finding a VH fan club forum where everyone can worship together without fear of oppression.

 

[Tone Zone]

I think its pretty much the same few people slobbing on his knob and making every other post about how great he is. Unfortunately, I think the weird obsession with VH that manifests itself here with these fellows has actually driven away some people.

If you enjoy talking about VH all day, every day you would be better served finding a VH fan club forum where everyone can worship together without fear of oppression.

 

[C1-ocaster]

"My heroes were Eddie Van Halen - especially after Van Halen I, II, III, and IV - Randy Rhoads, Ace Frehley and dudes like that. My brother played drums and we jammed in the garage and started writing our own stuff."

Dimebag Darrell


http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/guita ... 994-534866


Just sayin......

Dime was a great player.

But, Ace Frehley?!
There is NOTHING about his playing that I find even remotely interesting or unique or good.

The only influence I can see him and Kiss giving to young guitarists was the whole rock star image and stage show that they put on.
They were a rock band "SHOW". If they didn't have their costumes shtick and pyrotechniques they would have never become successful based on solely on their music.

What did Frehley ever play that is memorable?
That's a rhetorical question.

 

[skoora]

Not on the the topic, but you're probably right about Jazz guitarists delving into influences. I know nothing of Jazz guitar or Blues guitar, but rock guitar has evolved drastically in the past 30 years. I'm totally ignorant of Jazz,Classical,Blues or any other style of guitar.Have Jazz,Blues,Classical guitar evolved at the rate rock guitar has?

I would say rock guitar has de-volved. It's a shadow of it's former self. I'm not into shred but rhythmic structures/voicing choices and many other facets of rock guitar have given way to the basic wall of sound that had been rock for at least the last 15 years. Well mainstream rock anyway. If playing atonally in some djent or math band is considered evolving I'll hide in the cave with the other Cro-magnon's while the Neanderthal's take over. Granted I never liked Ornette Coleman anyway.

On an EVH tip I will be another over 40 voice to the affirmative but I don't think it has anything to do with age. You either like it or you don't. I loved Sabbath when I first heard it but they were over (Ozzy era) when I first heard it. I loved Hendrix and Cream and The Kinks, all heavily influential and they were over by even longer when I first heard them. I don't obsess with his tone as I'm much more of an AC/DC and Gary Moore/Thin Lizzy type tone freak but I do love his playing and his tone is at the least, so unique to him.

I would say a tone I would love to nail is Uli's lead tone from the 70's with the Scorps.

 

[C1-ocaster]

Not on the the topic, but you're probably right about Jazz guitarists delving into influences. I know nothing of Jazz guitar or Blues guitar, but rock guitar has evolved drastically in the past 30 years. I'm totally ignorant of Jazz,Classical,Blues or any other style of guitar.Have Jazz,Blues,Classical guitar evolved at the rate rock guitar has?

Sure, but this is more a question of generation gap. When does the direct influence end?

Players in all genres benefit by studying what influenced their influences.

I think its more of a genre question than a generation question. Most jazz and blues guys are influenced by the pioneers in the genre. You'll be hard pressed to find a "young" jazz guitarist say they are influenced by Pat Metheny and John Scofield then say they hate or don't care about Wes Montgomery. Maybe "young" rock guitarist aren't as disciplined and don't take the time to learn, understand and respect the origins of modern rock guitar.

If you like rock guitar over the past 30 years, then you have least heard the influence of Blues guitar.

Maybe its my age, 48, but to me "modern" rock guitar starts around the era of Jimi Hendrix.
JH's playing affectes modern rock guitar to this day, including Metal.
And what influenced JH?
Look to Blues.

 

[C1-ocaster]

You need to have been at the right age and listening to music that was out at the time (1978 ish) when that first VH album hit to really get it I think...there was nothing quite like it and it literally shook the rock world. There was no one doing anything like it or sounding like that at the time and for some it really sticks with you.

This. I've never forgotten the first time I heard, "You really got me", on the radio. That tone, it was just smoking, nothing else like it before. Not even close. Plus his playing. He sounded like Blackmore on 130 RPM. For you guys under 40, that's a reference to a record player. 52 years old.

I really like Deep Purple and some Rainbow.
Yet, I never understood the fascination with Blackmore. Not that I think he sucks, not at all.
His playing however never lit my creative fire.
'Smoke on the water' was one of the first riffs I ever learned, as I'm sure it was for many guitarists who started playing during the 70's.
Page, Hendrix, Iommi, Gilmore, Gibbons, Perry & Schenker caught my ear more when I was young and primed to be influenced.
Oh, and the guitar player in Captain Beyond, Larry "Rhino" Reinhardt who I've since learned was in Iron Butterfly.
Set the "way back" machine.

 

[bonedarrell]

"My heroes were Eddie Van Halen - especially after Van Halen I, II, III, and IV - Randy Rhoads, Ace Frehley and dudes like that. My brother played drums and we jammed in the garage and started writing our own stuff."

Dimebag Darrell


http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/guita ... 994-534866


Just sayin......

Dime was a great player.

But, Ace Frehley?!
There is NOTHING about his playing that I find even remotely interesting or unique or good.

The only influence I can see him and Kiss giving to young guitarists was the whole rock star image and stage show that they put on.
They were a rock band "SHOW". If they didn't have their costumes shtick and pyrotechniques they would have never become successful based on solely on their music.

What did Frehley ever play that is memorable?
That's a rhetorical question.

It's a quote from Dimebag Darrell.......not me. Read the article. I posted that because the OP said Dime was one of his influences. I merely pointed out the EVH was one of Dime's influences.

 

[2tallmusic]

I would say rock guitar has de-volved. It's a shadow of it's former self. I'm not into shred but rhythmic structures/voicing choices and many other facets of rock guitar have given way to the basic wall of sound that had been rock for at least the last 15 years.

Good point and I tend to fully agree.

Anyway, being over 40 as well I can say that VH was the main reason to start playing. I remember myself aged 12 jumping around equipped with a walkman playing VH and a tennis racket.

Later, after I started playing, punk and independent was the main influence. Bandwise and before the family business started I was mostly doing crossover type of music, Vernon Reid was one of my guitar heros as well as Nile Rodgers. But to be honest I experience my guitar passion most satisfying since I started playing again 4 years ago, being now heavily addicted to 80s rock guitar riffing and style. As you statetd rock guitar in the 80/90ies was much more multi-faceted, and even more important for me, it was transporting that nice mix between fun and energy that in my humble opionon the modern rock guitar is lacking.

 

[Badronald]

I'm over 40 and love VH. Eddie is one of the greatest rock guitar players of all time.

Of course his tone is/was stunning. Nothing like it before. He's a damn legend.

However.....it's not a tone I could use for anything I do, so I'm not interested in chasing it or discussing it.

 

[ChadVanHalen]

I'm 20 and I really care about Eddie, super influential in my entire guitar life (I disassembled one of my first guitars when I was younger and retro fitted it with a bucker and spray painted it like Eddie, I've gotten a lot more advanced in my building, but it was a start and he caused it)

As for tone chasing, I think the "brown sound" copied exactly is a terrible tone outside of Van Halen, it's not just for me, but the people who copied that and tweaked it their own (DeMartini, etc) are who my sound is closer to and I can play with...

But the dude a big player and a big influence and literally changed everything after him. (I may or may not be saying this while wearing EVH striped shoes... >.>)

 

[Shark Diver]

I get why people who are under 40 don't get into EVH. But it begs the question - who is "that" guy for the last couple generations?

Best I can tell it's a beat machine and a sampler, coupled with an auto tuner JK


I wasn't into Hendrix or Zeppelin when I was younger - or even the New Wave that was so big during my teens/20s. I was too much of a rocker to be that uncool - but after I got bored with the Hair Band stuff I pretty much exclusively listened to at the time - I started giving the other stuff a listen and now dig it.

Point is, unless you are just sick of hearing about EVH, he might be a big influence down the road. You never know.

 

[Heritage Softail]

EVH is the shit man! All generations are influenced by his playing, if the play much lead.

Drop tuned chuggers may not ever get to the stings he played most of his material on..

Whatever man.. I hate the Beatles. Listen to them only as long as it takes to hit the button... Plenty of people worship them. No big deal.

But my fav Van Halen was Fair Warning. Not the most popular of their stuff. But even though it has been played millions of times, Runnin with the Devil is one bad ass song. World changer right there.

 

[scruffydoo]

ha..priceless memory I was a 70's british punk so it was the pistols all day for me, I never really got the whole VH or hair thing but respect the skill, ripping les pauls thru marshalls (or derivatives of) will always be my thing , check the intro tone even now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ewVvVCRWxE

 

[charveldan]

If u wernt into drinking, getting high, getting laid & VH in the 70's & 80's there was something wrong with u and you were a Dweeb ...

 

[Michi]

As for tone chasing, I think the "brown sound" copied exactly is a terrible tone outside of Van Halen, it's not just for me, but the people who copied that and tweaked it their own (DeMartini, etc) are who my sound is closer to and I can play with...

But the dude a big player and a big influence and literally changed everything after him. (I may or may not be saying this while wearing EVH striped shoes... >.>)

!

Pretty much sums up how I feel as well.

I was thinking...a couple of months ago I was still under 40, now I've crossed that border. I feel no different towards this topic now compared to say May this year...

 

[charveldan]

Im not after Eddies tone, im happy with my own and it aint Billy Blades.

 

[sixstringking713]

He is my favorite guitarist and I'm 22

 

[Shiny_Surface]

In general I don't think the younger generation attach the same significance for anything to do with electric guitar.

It's cool to see younger players on the forum still carrying the torch, I just think they are in the minority for their age bracket.

 

[charveldan]

Gene Simmons sez rock is dead and the fans killed it and rappers are the new rock stars.


Its striking to me how many whites of all ages are into the rap culture.

Rock is dead.

 

[jack butler]

There hasn't been a "that" guy for the last couple generations and maybe that's why ChadVanHalen is so into VH. I started playing when I was 11, GnR Appetite had just come out so that was an early focus for me. Then I got into Metallica, obsessed over them for while. Then a fellow guitar student where I was taking lessons lent me YJM's Trilogy cassette tape. Say what you want about Malmsteen, but hearing Trilogy suite when I was 13 was life altering. I was hooked on Neo shred guys after that. I never cared for any VH songs and as far as players the shred guys were my focus. Rust in Peace,And Justice for All, PainKiller,Seasons in the Abyss, and countless other great albums came out during my early teens. So much music that I didn't have time to absorb it all. You might be right at some later point in life I might get into EVH.

I get why people who are under 40 don't get into EVH. But it begs the question - who is "that" guy for the last couple generations?

Best I can tell it's a beat machine and a sampler, coupled with an auto tuner JK


I wasn't into Hendrix or Zeppelin when I was younger - or even the New Wave that was so big during my teens/20s. I was too much of a rocker to be that uncool - but after I got bored with the Hair Band stuff I pretty much exclusively listened to at the time - I started giving the other stuff a listen and now dig it.

Point is, unless you are just sick of hearing about EVH, he might be a big influence down the road. You never know.