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just42dave
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I fukin love me some baconMark Day":gik4m9j9 said:
thiswaythatway
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studio289":1ltmfgyc said:richedie":1ltmfgyc said:
You know, there is a reason an AxeFx played through a tube power amp sounds and feels like a tube amp.
If the AFX was so damn accurate you wouldn't need a tube power amp to get tube feel!
btw, I'm not personally attacking you Rich. I'm just stating an observation.
btw2, nice necrobump
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I played the Axe-Fx through the whole FRFR setup. Did it sound pretty good? Yeah, it sounded cool. Did the Mark IV sim sound like a real mark IV?..........Not to me it didn't, but i didn't get to tweak it.
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richedie
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studio289":1fsror8t said:richedie":1fsror8t said:
You know, there is a reason an AxeFx played through a tube power amp sounds and feels like a tube amp.
If the AFX was so damn accurate you wouldn't need a tube power amp to get tube feel!
btw, I'm not personally attacking you Rich. I'm just stating an observation.
btw2, nice necrobump
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I don't care about using a FRFR system or how closely an Axe FX recreates an exact tone. I just like having multiple great sounding tones at my fingertips, an easy set up, instant access to sounds without pedal dancing, what more could I want. You assume too much. An Axe FX into a tube power to me is a simple, versatile rig that my tube amps can't match...what's not to like.
I think if you are a local club player, and want a quick set up, and the ability to quickly change patches without tap dancing a bunch of pedals, you can't go wrong with the Axe FX. I am planning on getting the Axe FX II when it comes out. I still prefer a tube power amp and regular guitar cab, but I like having the variety of tones if I need em and I like less pedal dancing and less cabling to set up. The Axe is easy, especially with the new version II, Axe floorboard with one cable to the Axe FX is a lot easier for me than all the cables i use now to get it done with an effects loop. I have all my cables together in a snake but is still more to set up, heavier, less convenient. Anyway, I still love my tube amps but a digital rig would be nice and easy for me. I don;t try to recreate sounds exactly so I don;t care about a FRFR system. I just want a variety of tones that sound good and have the punch of a good tube amp. The Axe FX into a Mesa or VHT tube power amp does that in my experience. A friend of mine has one in his studio and I had a chance to play through it and I didn;t miss tubes. I have also seen them live a few times and I loved the tone.
Ventura
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richedie":1pbfxqym said:studio289":1pbfxqym said:richedie":1pbfxqym said:
You know, there is a reason an AxeFx played through a tube power amp sounds and feels like a tube amp.
If the AFX was so damn accurate you wouldn't need a tube power amp to get tube feel!
btw, I'm not personally attacking you Rich. I'm just stating an observation.
btw2, nice necrobump
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I don't care about using a FRFR system or how closely an Axe FX recreates an exact tone. I just like having multiple great sounding tones at my fingertips, an easy set up, instant access to sounds without pedal dancing, what more could I want. You assume too much. An Axe FX into a tube power to me is a simple, versatile rig that my tube amps can't match...what's not to like.
I think if you are a local club player, and want a quick set up, and the ability to quickly change patches without tap dancing a bunch of pedals, you can't go wrong with the Axe FX. I am planning on getting the Axe FX II when it comes out. I still prefer a tube power amp and regular guitar cab, but I like having the variety of tones if I need em and I like less pedal dancing and less cabling to set up. The Axe is easy, especially with the new version II, Axe floorboard with one cable to the Axe FX is a lot easier for me than all the cables i use now to get it done with an effects loop. I have all my cables together in a snake but is still more to set up, heavier, less convenient. Anyway, I still love my tube amps but a digital rig would be nice and easy for me. I don;t try to recreate sounds exactly so I don;t care about a FRFR system. I just want a variety of tones that sound good and have the punch of a good tube amp. The Axe FX into a Mesa or VHT tube power amp does that in my experience. A friend of mine has one in his studio and I had a chance to play through it and I didn;t miss tubes. I have also seen them live a few times and I loved the tone.
Fryette 2/90/2 + AxeFX + Cabinet (and/or) Passive Wedges = YEARS worth of tones and textures.
YMMV,
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thiswaythatway
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richedie":avwhq05k said:studio289":avwhq05k said:richedie":avwhq05k said:
You know, there is a reason an AxeFx played through a tube power amp sounds and feels like a tube amp.
If the AFX was so damn accurate you wouldn't need a tube power amp to get tube feel!
btw, I'm not personally attacking you Rich. I'm just stating an observation.
btw2, nice necrobump
R~
I don't care about using a FRFR system or how closely an Axe FX recreates an exact tone. I just like having multiple great sounding tones at my fingertips, an easy set up, instant access to sounds without pedal dancing, what more could I want. You assume too much. An Axe FX into a tube power to me is a simple, versatile rig that my tube amps can't match...what's not to like.
I think if you are a local club player, and want a quick set up, and the ability to quickly change patches without tap dancing a bunch of pedals, you can't go wrong with the Axe FX. I am planning on getting the Axe FX II when it comes out. I still prefer a tube power amp and regular guitar cab, but I like having the variety of tones if I need em and I like less pedal dancing and less cabling to set up. The Axe is easy, especially with the new version II, Axe floorboard with one cable to the Axe FX is a lot easier for me than all the cables i use now to get it done with an effects loop. I have all my cables together in a snake but is still more to set up, heavier, less convenient. Anyway, I still love my tube amps but a digital rig would be nice and easy for me. I don;t try to recreate sounds exactly so I don;t care about a FRFR system. I just want a variety of tones that sound good and have the punch of a good tube amp. The Axe FX into a Mesa or VHT tube power amp does that in my experience. A friend of mine has one in his studio and I had a chance to play through it and I didn;t miss tubes. I have also seen them live a few times and I loved the tone.
I always see people say multiple great tones. But everytime i hear someone show off different amp sims they always sound like the same player. I could get multiple different amp sims to all sound the same on the Axe and you simply won't get a real JCM800 to sound like a Recto in real life. The guy who i saw cover and nail different tones used afew pedals and a Marshall JMP halfstack cranked. And at those air pushing levels is where the Axe falls on it's face IMHO.
marshall
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polaris20":2avbfh3o said:
More like not having to pay to ship their real rigs.
Ventura
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And endorsement dollarsmarshall":3munggon said:
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polaris20
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richedie":u6sqx794 said:studio289":u6sqx794 said:richedie":u6sqx794 said:
You know, there is a reason an AxeFx played through a tube power amp sounds and feels like a tube amp.
If the AFX was so damn accurate you wouldn't need a tube power amp to get tube feel!
btw, I'm not personally attacking you Rich. I'm just stating an observation.
btw2, nice necrobump
R~
I don't care about using a FRFR system or how closely an Axe FX recreates an exact tone. I just like having multiple great sounding tones at my fingertips, an easy set up, instant access to sounds without pedal dancing, what more could I want. You assume too much. An Axe FX into a tube power to me is a simple, versatile rig that my tube amps can't match...what's not to like.
I think if you are a local club player, and want a quick set up, and the ability to quickly change patches without tap dancing a bunch of pedals, you can't go wrong with the Axe FX. I am planning on getting the Axe FX II when it comes out. I still prefer a tube power amp and regular guitar cab, but I like having the variety of tones if I need em and I like less pedal dancing and less cabling to set up. The Axe is easy, especially with the new version II, Axe floorboard with one cable to the Axe FX is a lot easier for me than all the cables i use now to get it done with an effects loop. I have all my cables together in a snake but is still more to set up, heavier, less convenient. Anyway, I still love my tube amps but a digital rig would be nice and easy for me. I don;t try to recreate sounds exactly so I don;t care about a FRFR system. I just want a variety of tones that sound good and have the punch of a good tube amp. The Axe FX into a Mesa or VHT tube power amp does that in my experience. A friend of mine has one in his studio and I had a chance to play through it and I didn;t miss tubes. I have also seen them live a few times and I loved the tone.
I get what you're saying about the versatility, but the "tap dancing" stuff is kind of a copout reason. Even something as cheap as a G Major II switches channels for you on any amp, or you can get an Amp Gizmo. Not really a big deal in that regard. As for versatility in tones? It's a cool thing, but unless you're in a cover band that runs a huge gamut, I again kinda question the validity of it. I used modeling stuff for years (still do for recording demos and such) and I always gravitate to the same sounds anyway. But I guess YMMV. Even with cover bands, I don't think it really matters. I've been going to see bands in bars long before modeling existed, and generally you'd see a guy a with a Marshall or a Boogie. Not once did I ever hear someone say "they sounded pretty good, but that guy just didn't nail Santana's tone like it is on the record".
I don't know. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned and like my hair blown back by a front to back tube amp experience.
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richedie
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- And the brilliant part is you can also get an Axe FX to sound like a JCM 800 on one patch and a DR on another....convincingly. That is the beauty.
Fryette 2/90/2 + AxeFX + Cabinet = great rig.
I can understand why one may think the not wanting to tap dance is a copout but I tried the tube amp, pedal and midi thing/amp gizmo/ TC Electronic thing and it just became a big mess...I like the idea of having the amp, one cable and my pedalboard all in one. I gigged a Line 6 Vetta for years and liked that easy aspect. Right now I have a lot of cables, etc. I would still have both options available, tube head and pedals and Axe rig.
As far as pushing air, sye a JMP is great but good luck using one at home when you just want to tool around, at least that is what I found.
Plus, I think an Axe FX with a good tube power amp like the Fryette can push serious air. However, not many local clubs allow you to push much air. "Turn down", says the sound man.
These clips don;t sound too much alike, and better to hear if you download those clips
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=895840
steve_k
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mortega76":3mr2akwu said:Forgot to mention that Matt had some of the best beer I've ever tasted... wow. I think he said it was imported from heaven!
that's the comment i was waiting on!
noob_pwn
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As many of you will be aware, I used to run an axefx ultra -> 2/90/2 -> fatbottom 4x12.
Not long after i started demoing for our album with the AxeFx, I swapped that for an axefx/mackie HD1531 setup which i find superior. The reason being is one of the thing's I've learnt touring is no matter how good your tone is, you audience hears about 5% of your sound from your actual speaker cab and 95% of your sound through the FOH PA.
Unless you use an iso cabinet, good luck nailing the same tone through that PA every night. Unless you are an extremely well off band you won't be able to always tour with a sound guy who will use the same mic & miccing technique at every venue to get a result you like, and lets face it, mics are very sensitive to placement which can easy be altered by accident in a live environment. Throw into that mix some room reflections and spillover and you have yourself quite a mess. Chances are your sound guys won't give 2 shits about it.
I run an direct XLR signal to the desk (preamp, poweramp, cab & mic sims on) and this is what comes through the PA. I have the signal going to my mackie eq'd with the highs and lows rolled off a bit so it sounds more like a cab. Does it sound exactly like a cab? no. Does it sound like the sweet spot of my ideal tone from every angle on stage? yes. This is more or less exactly what the audience hears.
My point is, if your tone is amazing good luck capturing it. My rig feels like a tube amp, those 1000-1800w of power blow my hair back further than any tube amp out there, my rig is literally half the size (my rack weighs 18kg) and It is unbelievably consistent, cost effective, fast to set up and pack down, easy to load in and out and above all reliable. I can also hear it from any corner of the stage without any foldback because of the amazing sound dispersion the mackie has. Of course there are other options available such as the H&K redbox but the IR ability of the axefx blows that out of the water.
It was a giant leap of faith and did take a shit load of tweaking to get right but I won't be going back any time soon, and i would imagine the AxeFx II will close that realism "gap" even further. My band has never sounded so tight and clear before and we get complements left right and centre on our stage sound.
Not long after i started demoing for our album with the AxeFx, I swapped that for an axefx/mackie HD1531 setup which i find superior. The reason being is one of the thing's I've learnt touring is no matter how good your tone is, you audience hears about 5% of your sound from your actual speaker cab and 95% of your sound through the FOH PA.
Unless you use an iso cabinet, good luck nailing the same tone through that PA every night. Unless you are an extremely well off band you won't be able to always tour with a sound guy who will use the same mic & miccing technique at every venue to get a result you like, and lets face it, mics are very sensitive to placement which can easy be altered by accident in a live environment. Throw into that mix some room reflections and spillover and you have yourself quite a mess. Chances are your sound guys won't give 2 shits about it.
I run an direct XLR signal to the desk (preamp, poweramp, cab & mic sims on) and this is what comes through the PA. I have the signal going to my mackie eq'd with the highs and lows rolled off a bit so it sounds more like a cab. Does it sound exactly like a cab? no. Does it sound like the sweet spot of my ideal tone from every angle on stage? yes. This is more or less exactly what the audience hears.
My point is, if your tone is amazing good luck capturing it. My rig feels like a tube amp, those 1000-1800w of power blow my hair back further than any tube amp out there, my rig is literally half the size (my rack weighs 18kg) and It is unbelievably consistent, cost effective, fast to set up and pack down, easy to load in and out and above all reliable. I can also hear it from any corner of the stage without any foldback because of the amazing sound dispersion the mackie has. Of course there are other options available such as the H&K redbox but the IR ability of the axefx blows that out of the water.
It was a giant leap of faith and did take a shit load of tweaking to get right but I won't be going back any time soon, and i would imagine the AxeFx II will close that realism "gap" even further. My band has never sounded so tight and clear before and we get complements left right and centre on our stage sound.
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richedie":37auw41i said:
They also don't sound even close to as good as an old AC30 and a Marshall.. The Axe phenom is srange to me __ But rock it however!
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richedie
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I would still personally go Axe FX -> VHT power amp and standard cab. I say that because half the places we play do not mic the guitars so in that case I prefer to have a guitar tube amp and cab. Some places we have played and play require bands to run through the stock stage cabinets, no exceptions.
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noob_pwn":1u4o42v2 said:
what you have done makes plenty of sense and i can see why you did what you did. but what you have done is essentially create a 1 size fits all application no matter the gig, acoustics of the building, how drunk the PA guy is that night, etc.
to say the same thing about a tube rig is not ideal. i wouldnt haul two cabinets, mics, a rack, and iso cabinets or extra guitars if the gig didnt call for it. same goes for an axe-fx setup with a tube amp at a bar. 9/10 ill just bring a 5150, a 2x12, and run a few pedals in the loop at the low end places. will it sound as great as two 4x12's and the big effects W/D W/D rack? of course not. but you do without and choose accordingly. i still get the all-tube punch and feedback that i desire, and its not anymore of a headache to carry than a mackie 1800W self powered PA.
it goes both ways. as far as what the audience is hearing - if you are playing a gig large enough to care about what they are hearing, then you have enough time for a sound check. that still does not solve having stages soak up your low end and no ability to hear what you are playing on stage even with two 4x12's going full tilt outside. chances are 9/10 either tubed or axe-fx if you have a shitty quality PA system you're going to get shitty quality sound regardless of your guitar setup or where you stand and this is the god honest truth.
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glpg80":1lro51vd said:
If you wasn't so poor and could afford an AxeFx, I seem to think you would stop trying to justify your cheap tube amp.
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polaris20
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biggness":2gnpcmv5 said:
Fixed.
And it's not a case of "justifying a cheap tube amp". Many people here have tube rigs costing a lot more than an Axe. It's just a different approach.
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richedie
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Most places we play, we do not have to go through the crappy house PA. In that case, i like to just use a good cabinet and fill the room with stage volume. Most small places we play seem to do just as well if not better not using a PA for the guitars.
noob_pwn
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glpg80":ovqdpjv8 said:
Well what you've said is dependent on the style of music being played too.
In a 5pc band that plays to a backing in some sections and in really low tunings there isn't sonic room for W/D or W/D/W setups no matter the size of the venue, I really don't have to fill out a massive sound, I just need to cut through.
What works for me, probably won't work for everyone. And the stage can't soak the low end out of a direct XLR signal
It is more of a headache to cart, load in, set up, pack down and load out 2 4x12's and a tube rack rig than a mackie HD1531 & 18kg 4u rack, I've tried it! Not to mention i never have to worry about tubes!