"Bogner blanket"

[Dale B]

I just cranked up the master volume when playing in a band. I've never had a problem hearing myself. The Rev 2 Uber was a different story, but that was mainly due to its softer highs. They're awesome amps for recording.

 

[yngzaklynch]

All i know is i like playing through mine

 

[Shiny_Surface]

I just cranked up the master volume when playing in a band. I've never had a problem hearing myself. The Rev 2 Uber was a different story, but that was mainly due to its softer highs. They're awesome amps for recording.

Hey Dale,

I agree the Rev 2 Uberschall can be challenging in a mix, best of the best Uber's for recording though imo.

I've heard others get good live mixes out of Rev 2's though.

My old 101B would have no problems in a band...the blanket didn't hinder.

 

[sjk]

A term for idiots who have never played a Bogner and who don't understand the voicing or how to EQ an amp. Discuss.

-C

You also have to take into consideration that you have the 20th Anniversary XTC, which is much much brighter than the 101B, on the 20th turn off presence and treble and it is not that dark...on the 101b turn those both off and it is darker than hell

 

[mjtripper]

I want mushy weird blankets . . .

 

[skoora]

I'm glad it's getting warmer here because our comforter had some really weird mids…….

 

[Killcrop]

it is only because people set amps with eyes and not ears. dime a control pussies.

Wondering, which control magically takes the "tarp over the speaker" effect away. The Treble? beyond 3:00 way too much sizzle, not cut, sizzle. Same with the Presence. Another question is, why do so many people bitch about it? People who are playing decades and know how to dial in an amp, are suddenly asshole because they can't get anything from the amp? These assholes are "dialing with their eyes"? Really?

You heard the Helios vids. Tell me, how do you get a 101b to sound like that?

The control is volume. The Ecstasy was designed to be a professional stage amplifier. Turn it up.

Between the B1 switch, Presence, Excursion and EQing it's not an issue. The initial plug and play tone of this amp can be dark. Volume is the biggest issue.
Speakers can have a big effect as well. There are a couple minor tweaks you can do too that open things up a bit.

Either way, if it doesn't work for you...move on. I don't get a commission for selling Bogners. Don't care.

I can get the Helios tones from a cranked blue channel. Not sure how loud those videos were recorded at, but I heard it was loud.

 

[carlygtr]

it is only because people set amps with eyes and not ears. dime a control pussies.

Wondering, which control magically takes the "tarp over the speaker" effect away. The Treble? beyond 3:00 way too much sizzle, not cut, sizzle. Same with the Presence. Another question is, why do so many people bitch about it? People who are playing decades and know how to dial in an amp, are suddenly asshole because they can't get anything from the amp? These assholes are "dialing with their eyes"? Really?

You heard the Helios vids. Tell me, how do you get a 101b to sound like that?

The control is volume. The Ecstasy was designed to be a professional stage amplifier. Turn it up.

Between the B1 switch, Presence, Excursion and EQing it's not an issue. The initial plug and play tone of this amp can be dark. Volume is the biggest issue.
Speakers can have a big effect as well. There are a couple minor tweaks you can do too that open things up a bit.

Either way, if it doesn't work for you...move on. I don't get a commission for selling Bogners. Don't care.

I can get the Helios tones from a cranked blue channel. Not sure how loud those videos were recorded at, but I heard it was loud.

Blue ch sounds nothing like the Helios. Volume has nothing to do with it either. Professional stage amp, my ass. The thing is voiced a certain way and you either like it or you don't.
The excuse making is pathetic

 

[yngzaklynch]

All i can say is when the volume goes up to 10:00 or more i start to back off the treb and pres a lot. IMO the dark or blanket references are low volume characteristics. Give it some volume and i think all that goes away

 

[flimz]

Is this "blanket" theory relegated to the Ecstasy line only? The Goldfinger 90 and Shiva 20th Ive owned dont seem to have this problem. Granted, they dont slice your head off and shit down your neck like my Splawn Quickrod does...but Im kinda glad for that haha.

 

[Mailman1971]

A term for idiots who have never played a Bogner and who don't understand the voicing or how to EQ an amp. Discuss.

-C

Bogner blanket.

VHT Dry.

Mesa Mush.

Diezel Sterile.

Soldano sizzle.

Marshall bright.

Splawn wierd mids.

Engl solid state.

You forgot the all mighty -

Mesa Flub

and

Mesa Ice picky highs

 

[Death by Uberschall]

it is only because people set amps with eyes and not ears. dime a control pussies.

+1

 

[Spaceboy]

How does a Bogner EQ work different than another amp?

 

[Death by Uberschall]

Can't speak for the XTC, but on the Uberschalls the Presence knob is really a Low-Mid control that works like a charm. That one knob can take you from scooped to full on mid/low mid. It is the "character control" on the amp.

 

[Killcrop]

it is only because people set amps with eyes and not ears. dime a control pussies.

Wondering, which control magically takes the "tarp over the speaker" effect away. The Treble? beyond 3:00 way too much sizzle, not cut, sizzle. Same with the Presence. Another question is, why do so many people bitch about it? People who are playing decades and know how to dial in an amp, are suddenly asshole because they can't get anything from the amp? These assholes are "dialing with their eyes"? Really?

You heard the Helios vids. Tell me, how do you get a 101b to sound like that?

The control is volume. The Ecstasy was designed to be a professional stage amplifier. Turn it up.

Between the B1 switch, Presence, Excursion and EQing it's not an issue. The initial plug and play tone of this amp can be dark. Volume is the biggest issue.
Speakers can have a big effect as well. There are a couple minor tweaks you can do too that open things up a bit.

Either way, if it doesn't work for you...move on. I don't get a commission for selling Bogners. Don't care.

I can get the Helios tones from a cranked blue channel. Not sure how loud those videos were recorded at, but I heard it was loud.

Blue ch sounds nothing like the Helios. Volume has nothing to do with it either. Professional stage amp, my ass. The thing is voiced a certain way and you either like it or you don't.
The excuse making is pathetic

I'm not making any excuses. I like my amp. I based my Helios tones off one video. Didn't hear it in person. I will, at some point, buy a used one. Have you heard the Helios in person?
What works for one person, may not work for the next. Volume does have something to do with it. Every tube amp I have ever played opens up when it gets a little volume going. But you already know that.

 

[Killcrop]

All i can say is when the volume goes up to 10:00 or more i start to back off the treb and pres a lot. IMO the dark or blanket references are low volume characteristics. Give it some volume and i think all that goes away

It totally does. Right at about 10:00 on the volume.

 

[skoora]

The problem with volume test is because of Fletcher Munson the way our ears hear and perceive an amp as it gets louder can radically change. The real test is to use an attenuator to control the over all level to see if the Master really haves an impact. The only issue with this though is you nullify the EQ change just from the speaker working a lot harder. I can definitely attest to how much volume changes the characteristics of the tone and gain on both my Stiletto and MKV from using an attenuator. Now I'm a slave to the hotplate set to a few clicks because the MKV wants that Master up just enough, to be too loud for an apartment, to shine.

I took an attenuator to a GC once, to test an Ecstasy, because I wanted to see how plexi the plexi setting actually gets. Damn thing blew a fuse before I could play more than a scrape across the strings Now I'll never know

 

[Setneck]

it is only because people set amps with eyes and not ears. dime a control pussies.

Wondering, which control magically takes the "tarp over the speaker" effect away. The Treble? beyond 3:00 way too much sizzle, not cut, sizzle. Same with the Presence. Another question is, why do so many people bitch about it? People who are playing decades and know how to dial in an amp, are suddenly asshole because they can't get anything from the amp? These assholes are "dialing with their eyes"? Really?

You heard the Helios vids. Tell me, how do you get a 101b to sound like that?

The point here is logarhytmic (audio) dirty Treble pot and C40 Excursion cap. Log Audio pot darkens the tone as in halfway it makes the 10% resistance of linear one, then the resistance increases dramatically, becoming actually "Sizzle" control. See here: http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/p ... ttaper.gif. So, it basically doesn't brighten the tone despite turning it up. It only makes the amp fizzy sounding beyong 2-3 o 'clock.

C40 cap darkens the poweramp, making it less in-front, even if You turn up the Presence (which is also 25k pot, unlike classic Marshall 5-10K value, so actually it isn't as accurate). If You like, check my thread in Bogner subforum where I have posted the clips with and without C40 caps. You'll hear for yourself: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=154260.

So, those two things make the 101B backed off in mix IN CERTAIN circumstances. It is a great amp, but in some situations it is problematic to cut thru. That was my problem in my band, where there are two guitars and bright DSL amp used by second guitarist. Diming the controls unfortunately hadn't helped with "pussy attitude" - I was barely hearable, even with volume turned up. It was loud then but still not hearable, not cutting. In a meantime I was changing pickups, cables, speakers, everything. The effect was actually inconsiderable. But I didn't want to take part with this great amp...

So in certain situations there is something like 101B "blanket effect". And maybe before calling someone a pussy one might accept that there is sometimes a state of affairs where even tuning the amp by ears and diming everything like being not a pussy doesn't help - because of a nature of an amp. In one band it shines, in others - not that much . Reaching that point You got two ways - You can sell it then or You may try to tune it. I did it second way and the result is astonishing. For me of course, but in my situation it is the only thing I care . In the other words - I love this great amp now, 'cause after the mods done ACCORDING TO MY NEEDS it became even more perfect than it is already in stock state.

Regardless of few other mods done, only changing Treble taper to linear and removing C40 cap made the amp a beast. Now I hardly turn the Volume past the 9:30 o clock. I simply don't have to. The Resonance control 250K pot soldered in place of R62 L Excursion resistor is set to add ~75K resistance to nfb circuit, making poweramp more gainy and in-front. I have my dirty Treble set at 2 o'clock - IN THE VERY SAME PLACE as having log pot. But it finally works now! The tone cuts like a knife, my Buddy has to set the Volume to 4-5 - so basically to the half - to achieve same amount of audibility as mine.

Regards, Andy

 

[Ventura]

IMHO, the "Bogner Blanket" is due to playing at "bedroom levels", which any of these 100W (beautifully made and voiced) heads is NOT meant for.

Get a 101B, Rev.2 or Anny20thA past noon on the MV??? And the only blanket is the one flying off your bed

 

[supersonic]

I have owned my XTC for 12 years now, at a point I was dialing my tone to be too dark. These days I get a nice thick, cutting tone, I set the Pre EQ to Bright, bass and treble at 12:00, mid 2:30 and adjust presence for the right amount of sizzle. As mentioned too much gain contributes to blanketing (as with any amp). This is not an amp if you want to cut mids, look elsewhere. A like an Alder body guitar, medium output pick ups and GBs'. Everything in the chain contributes. If your Bogner is sounding too dark, one of these factors needs altering.