Bogner Oversized 2x12...

[ElectricTurkey4369]

Im interested in this cabinet after hearing how much everyone loves them. Are they worth it? I wont be keeping the speakers in, I'll probably put in some scumbacks. I currently have a mesa 2x12 recto and find it to bass heavy and boomy. Im looking for something more atriculate, punchy and balanced.

Thanks!

 

[Man With Gas]

Great cab.

If you're using an Ecstasy with it I don't believe you'll get better out of it replacing the V30s as the Ecstasy is voiced for them.

The Scumbacks are killer units but you'll get a different sound using them. Better? again I think just different. YMMV of course.

 

[Nico]

I haven't tried scumbacks, but the stock V30 sound great with that cab and the XTC... and its true that the amp was made with that speaker in mind

 

[_actual time_]

Im interested in this cabinet after hearing how much everyone loves them. Are they worth it? I wont be keeping the speakers in, I'll probably put in some scumbacks. I currently have a mesa 2x12 recto and find it to bass heavy and boomy. Im looking for something more atriculate, punchy and balanced.

is your Recto the vertical one? i have a 101B w/ the OS2x12 and a Mark V with the Recto vertical 2x12, and i've compared them a lot. i mostly play medium to high-gain tones.

i agree with the other posters--the v30s in the OS2x12 are a perfect fit for the 101B, IMO. they have a nice Marshally high-end rasp, good lows even tho not the super-pounding kinda lows, and a great thick chewy midrange. it sounds nicely tight to me--phat but not boomy. (i run KT77 power tubes, which have a bit more lows than EL34s.)

my vertical Recto is pretty boomy in the lows, and has less mids than the OS. especially with the stock Mesa C90 speakers. (i think it's that the internal volume of the cab is bigger than the OS and/or that it doesn't have a brace in the middle.) with the exact same v30s as my OS, it got a bit less boomy and a little more mids. putting it on the casters and up off the floor helped even more.

so i'd definitely recommend trying the OS to see what you think--it's a great cab, a lot less boomy than the vertical Recto, and a great match overall IMO for the 101B

 

[Ventura]

Im interested in this cabinet after hearing how much everyone loves them. Are they worth it? I wont be keeping the speakers in, I'll probably put in some scumbacks. I currently have a mesa 2x12 recto and find it to bass heavy and boomy. Im looking for something more atriculate, punchy and balanced.

Thanks!

Guess it all boils down to what amp you're trying to match it with is

V.

 

[richedie]

I have tried different speakers in my Bogner OS 212 but have not used stock Celestions in it yet. Maybe I should! I use an EL34 20th Bogner Shiva and find it a bright amp. I use it through my OS212 with WGS ET65 and Vet30. Maybe I will go dtock and use what Bogner intended.

I might do the same with my new 2011 Mesa Dual Rectifer. Might use a stock vertical Mesa recto cab which I know Mesa uses tweaked V30s.

I have some older (2000) V30s taken out of a Mesa Recto 212, that I might put into my Bogner 212 to test out. Or is it best to use the new Chinese V30s that Bogner is using?

I also will be using a 1974 Marshall JMP and that seems fine through V30s or Celestion G12-65s....which will be in my THD 212 soon.

 

[mightywarlock]

I just traded someone my Recto 2x12 for a Bogner 2x12.
it came with an open back and greenback/classic speakers.
I bought a closed back, and traded the speakers for V30's. so now I have the typical 2x12 cab.

Jury's out.

the Recto, to me, is loud and clear. the Bogner, seems big sounding, and not as tight, to me, as the larger size (almost the size of a 4x12) and the extra air, adds more bass, and to me, seems a little scooped. it sounds more like a 4x12 than the 2x12 recto.
The problem I had with the Recto, was that when used by itself LIVE, i sometimes felt like I was missing the grind, and girth to the tone. it projected loudly, but didn't have the oomph for the heavy palm muting, compared to a 4x12.
I typically used it as a stack and a half, and may get another one one day, for the same usage, if needed.
However, I couldn't pass up the trade to try the Bogner, so didn't.

Which do I like better? Not sure.

it's not as simple as that. they are both very different animals. sound completely different.

only your own ears can decide.

 

[richedie]

I decided to have a variety. I have a Bogner OS212 with older 444 cone Celesiton V30s, a THD 212 with THD Longhorn Celestion CL80s and soon getting a Mesa Recto vertical 212 with V30s. I am starting to keep my cabs stock to keep my sanity!

The Bogner OS212 is one of the best 212s I have ever heard, sounds huge, smooth and chewy...great with any amp I try.

 

[sombersoul]

I'm debating with myself whether I should put a Bogner OS 212 under my 20th Shiva instead of the Diezel 212 RL I'm currently using. Not sure what I would gain/lose in the trade. The Diezel is very well-built but feels somewhat stiff to me (or maybe that's tightness?). I'm still hoping that someone who has owned both cabs can chime in on this.

 

[Nico]

I'm debating with myself whether I should put a Bogner OS 212 under my 20th Shiva instead of the Diezel 212 RL I'm currently using. Not sure what I would gain/lose in the trade. The Diezel is very well-built but feels somewhat stiff to me (or maybe that's tightness?). I'm still hoping that someone who has owned both cabs can chime in on this.

Honestly if you don't like the Diezel cab change the speakers to find something that suits you. . Quality wise Bogner and Diezel as well as CAA cabs are all up there in the same league and are really dependent on speaker choices. If you plan on using the same speakers, V30, both cabs will sound the same are nearly the same!

Maybe you just don't dig those speakers, I don't like them that much except on my Ecstasy. I'd much rather use some sort of greenback type speaker on all other amps...

 

[richedie]

I don't think you have to listen to what the amp manufacturer says about speakers, it really should be up to the player. I mean using different speakers just means you EQ the amp differently. I mean the amp maker doesn't know what I like. I personally, like darker smoother speakers....more like a broekn in Greenback or Celestion G12-65 which some might find dark but seems to work just fine with the Bogner amps.

V30s just seem to have too much of the cut your head high mids.

From Bogner

V30 at 8 and 16 ohm (best all around speaker with 60W power handling, cuts through just where the guitar should sit in a mix)

G12H30 at 8 and 16 ohm (30W only, less upper mids then the V30, a bit more pleasant, nice in combination with the V30)

G25 Greenback at 16 ohm (25W only, classic sweet Greenback tone, nice in combination with the V30 and G12H30)

Classic Lead 80 at 16 ohm (80W, big bass response with smooth dark upper mids, good in combination with the V30 but to dark by itself)

G12T75 at 16 ohm (75W, tighter bass response, we use this one in combination with the V30 in the Ubercab)

 

[sombersoul]

Honestly if you don't like the Diezel cab change the speakers to find something that suits you. . Quality wise Bogner and Diezel as well as CAA cabs are all up there in the same league and are really dependent on speaker choices. If you plan on using the same speakers, V30, both cabs will sound the same are nearly the same!

Maybe you just don't dig those speakers, I don't like them that much except on my Ecstasy. I'd much rather use some sort of greenback type speaker on all other amps...

I'm not sure both cabs are so similar. I've got the newer German-built Diezel cab. I do know that the older ones were made in the same factory as the Bogners. I remember reading that the revamped Diezels use quite a different construction (and wood). They were made to withstand the mighty Diezel low end after all! Maybe I'm looking for something more bouncy. The Bogner is all birch, if I'm correct. Anyway, V30s are fine for the Shiva and I don't like mixing speakers in one cab.

I guess I'll end up getting a Bogner to compare. Then I can always sell one or the other, or simply keep both (perhaps with different speakers).

 

[ZippoTragedy]

I have one of these, and it kills with the GF45. I wouldn't expect the same results with a 101b or Classic (or a Shiva for that matter). I found that the v30 loaded 4x12 sounded like shit with other amps, but that's just my opinion. I like 6V6's and greenies, and the mixed speaker config is the bomb. ymmv. I think for your purposes, Nico nailed the response, which is probably worth re-reading.

 

[leib10]

I had one for a short time with stock V30s and closed back. It seemed really thick and bassy, more like a 4x12 than a 2x12. The speakers weren't broken in, but it still sounded massive. Great cab, from my limited experience.

 

[richedie]

I don't do 412 cabs any longer so I have quite a few 212 cabs around the house. The OS Bogern 212 is amazing! Love this cab and it is easy better with the semi open back, more 3-D and open sounding! All my cabs are now semi open in the back.

I also settled on a pair - Celestion G12K-100/THD Longhorn CL-80(Celestion CL-80 modified) - this speaker pair is amazing with my 20th Bogner Shiva with EL34s! Way better than the V-30s I had tried and I like it better than the WGS speakers I tried as well.

A friend of mine turned me onto the 100/80 speaker pair who runs a Celestion k-100 and Mesa MC-90. Some of the 90s are very similar to CL-80s....sort of neutral, smooth and a bit dark. Love it to death.