Bonamassa pretty much owns Zakk Wylde here.

[C1-ocaster]

That guitar looks like an SG and Flying V went to a biker rally and got really drunk then found each other in their liquored haze, had schwetty sex that they both can't remember, and that guitar was born some months later.

It's kind of interesting looking though, in a can't look away from the tranwreck kinda way.

 

[robertkoa]

I like the EVH clip of Crossroads.....

That guy has an amazing sense of time .

 

[supersonic]

I like the EVH clip of Crossroads.....

That guy has an amazing sense of time .

Agreed, a natural sense of timing is what all great players have. It's not how fast you play the notes, its' where you land them!

 

[carlygtr]

It's all about the call and response, with Joe trying to cop Warren's feel rather than do his own thing...a trap of sorts that old, experienced cats pull on younger hotshots (I've been a victim myself). Warren pulls out some crazy phrasing and Joe can't cop the feel...and he knows it...you can tell by his body language from around 7:27-7:35...and then he starts doing his own thing again.
You hang out in enough blues clubs and see enough blues jams, you become familiar with how the older, wiser cats cut heads...they bait you and then make you look stupid. Les Paul was notorious for doing this to hotshots who sat in with him (Slash told a story of Les absolutely taking him to school and basically humiliating him when he sat in). It has nothing to do with chops (no doubt Joe can outshred Warren), its all about phrasing and feel...like him or not, few players can touch Warren at that game.

I didn't expect too many people here to get it as I don't see many guys steeped in blues, but I expected you to get it Carl...still kinda shocked that you didn't. A very different kind of ass-whooping than the beating Zakk took.

Here's where the blues-tards try to argue...go for it

Didn't see it. I'm not a huge fan of either guy either. I thought WH had better tone. I just heard two top notch player w/ different styles. To me, JB has always been a bit too precise, especially in blues. WH has awesome phrasing and vibrato and may get an edge on those counts as well as having more interesting playing.....for this tune anyway......but an ass kicking? I don't really see it

 

[charveldan]

ZAKK : no soul


J.B. : soul










Honorable mention ....

ZAKK is a larger than life persona. Sometimes it's hard to fill his own shoes. He was clearly outclassed by Joe who I consider prolly the numero Uno GP these day.

Having said that, ZAKK on his worse day could mop the floor with any sorry ass on this forum.

And when he's on his game he's un-touchable.

Cut the man a lot of slack he's been around the world too many times.
Between this and the JAKE thread RT seems to be the land of the cynics, but what do I know ?

 

[rupe]

Anybody else have some nuggets of wisdom as to how they think things should be as opposed to how they really are? Some rich replies so far...keep 'em coming

 

[Shawn Lutz]

I fell asleep about after about 3 minutes of Warren and JB, 6:34 of it I'd be in a coma Both JB and Warren are excellent guitar players, I liked the feel Warren had for that. Joe was cool but different. Great playing but that genre bores me after short while. I like JB solo stuff and Allman bros and Guv'ment Mule better that this particular track.

Usually when rock or metal guys are not comfortable improvising over something they throw speed at it and that usually kills whatever they are trying to do...to me that is what Zakk did and that was terrible over a simple jam anyone and their brother should be able to wail over and land on their feet.

 

[paulyc]

Anybody else have some nuggets of wisdom as to how they think things should be as opposed to how they really are? Some rich replies so far...keep 'em coming

You think the music biz is better off now than it was in the 60s, 70s, and 80s ? At least you could get a multi album deal and have a chance to make it, where as now if your first single doesn't sell a million units you're toast....and you end up with Britney Spears and Justin Bieber who's careers will be short compared to someone like the Eagles. Sure, there have and will always be one hit wonders, but it's way more common now with the internet making everything viral and then the attention goes away after a bit and the artist is fucked because people only liked that one song...Zakk won't give up his SCHTICK (and that's EXACTLY what it is) because he's afraid to lose whatever following he has. He's been conditioned by the record buying public and the industry at large to think that way. Still think it's priceless ?

 

[V-Type]

But we Have to cut Zakk some slack? He paid his dues?
Didn't hear himself?
Sorry but a bad gig is a bad gig.
Sadly Zakk either could care less what fits
or he can't improvise outside of his box
or possibly he is going tone deaf.
I still love his early work but clearly he has been
Dibilitated and has gotten more so with time.

And I know I hear plenty of cats that smoke Zakk
Both locally and nationally and a few RT and TGP
Guys could easily depress Zakk in a covering
Many bases way.

 

[MississippiMetal]

Anybody else have some nuggets of wisdom as to how they think things should be as opposed to how they really are? Some rich replies so far...keep 'em coming

Oh come on now, you have GOT to show us some clips of your highly enlightened blues playing. Especially with Pennsylvania being a blues Mecca and all.
You know, since we're all not steeped in that sort of thing.

 

[rupe]

Anybody else have some nuggets of wisdom as to how they think things should be as opposed to how they really are? Some rich replies so far...keep 'em coming

You think the music biz is better off now than it was in the 60s, 70s, and 80s ? At least you could get a multi album deal and have a chance to make it, where as now if your first single doesn't sell a million units you're toast....and you end up with Britney Spears and Justin Bieber who's careers will be short compared to someone like the Eagles. Sure, there have and will always be one hit wonders, but it's way more common now with the internet making everything viral and then the attention goes away after a bit and the artist is fucked because people only liked that one song...Zakk won't give up his SCHTICK (and that's EXACTLY what it is) because he's afraid to lose whatever following he has. He's been conditioned by the record buying public and the industry at large to think that way. Still think it's priceless ?

I'm not sure how that applied to my quote, but I agree with everything you said there.

 

[paulyc]

Oh, ok. My mistake. Thought you were "calling me out " there. My apologies Rupe !

 

[rupe]

Anybody else have some nuggets of wisdom as to how they think things should be as opposed to how they really are? Some rich replies so far...keep 'em coming

Oh come on now, you have GOT to show us some clips of your highly enlightened blues playing. Especially with Pennsylvania being a blues Mecca and all.
You know, since we're all not steeped in that sort of thing.

See, this shows that you don't get what I'm talking about...it's not about the playing, its about the mindset. Through my past endeavors (music store manager, vintage dealer, guitar tech, roadie...) I've had the opportunity to hang out with quite a few older cats who share these things...I'm simply relaying them. I showed the Joe/Warren clip because it was shown to me and explained what happened by somebody who was there and knows what went on. And it's fairly easy to see that Joe was sorta like "WTF?" after he tried to cop some of Warren's squirrely bends and phrasing. It's no indictment of Joe's playing...the guy is awesome, and when he stuck to his own trick bag, he shined.

 

[zewango]

I heard two guys trying to play a lot of Jeff Beck riffs. Good thing he wasn't there.

 

[carlygtr]

JB and WH doing Crossroads. WH sitting in w/ JB's band.

 

[MississippiMetal]

Anybody else have some nuggets of wisdom as to how they think things should be as opposed to how they really are? Some rich replies so far...keep 'em coming

Oh come on now, you have GOT to show us some clips of your highly enlightened blues playing. Especially with Pennsylvania being a blues Mecca and all.
You know, since we're all not steeped in that sort of thing.

See, this shows that you don't get what I'm talking about...it's not about the playing, its about the mindset. Through my past endeavors (music store manager, vintage dealer, guitar tech, roadie...) I've had the opportunity to hang out with quite a few older cats who share these things...I'm simply relaying them. I showed the Joe/Warren clip because it was shown to me and explained what happened by somebody who was there and knows what went on. And it's fairly easy to see that Joe was sorta like "WTF?" after he tried to cop some of Warren's squirrely bends and phrasing. It's no indictment of Joe's playing...the guy is awesome, and when he stuck to his own trick bag, he shined.

I've been a roadie and guitar tech too. Recently, even. I've also been a touring performer. I also grew up playing blues clubs in The south. We can't both be right.

 

[rupe]

Anybody else have some nuggets of wisdom as to how they think things should be as opposed to how they really are? Some rich replies so far...keep 'em coming

Oh come on now, you have GOT to show us some clips of your highly enlightened blues playing. Especially with Pennsylvania being a blues Mecca and all.
You know, since we're all not steeped in that sort of thing.

See, this shows that you don't get what I'm talking about...it's not about the playing, its about the mindset. Through my past endeavors (music store manager, vintage dealer, guitar tech, roadie...) I've had the opportunity to hang out with quite a few older cats who share these things...I'm simply relaying them. I showed the Joe/Warren clip because it was shown to me and explained what happened by somebody who was there and knows what went on. And it's fairly easy to see that Joe was sorta like "WTF?" after he tried to cop some of Warren's squirrely bends and phrasing. It's no indictment of Joe's playing...the guy is awesome, and when he stuck to his own trick bag, he shined.

I've been a roadie and guitar tech too. Recently, even. I've also been a touring performer. I also grew up playing blues clubs in The south. We can't both be right.

Right about what?

 

[Heritage Softail]

It is pretty hard to jump from a shredder to blues man. I like both and try to be a blues metal guy that can shred a bit. Very tough order. I find I need to pick one and practice it for a weekly two them switch. Right now it is bluesy stuff bonding with my SC-58 on a DSL100.

As a musician, I hear a few that have awesome groove mojo and can do both. I don't know all guitar players, obviously, so no disrespect intended by any omissions.

EVH, Steve Morse, Nuno.

Short list but all three can bring a great funk swing, or play very minimally, and also round out some great blues. Obvious rock god status in their areas. The timing, the ability to play ever so slightly leading or lagging at the right spot, that is what I felt separates the almost good from the real blues men.

My fav blues rockish player is Knopfler. Almost impossible to cop his mojo without much practice. Communique disc is a lesson in dynamics of touch and time.

But Nuno... Funk blues shred Jedi. I love Nuno's playing but can't ever get it dead on the nuts. President is such a killer metal funk song, the outro has an absolute killer tone and riff. Masterwork.

I think Phil X should get a mention as a great party rock blues guy. He brings it and has one helluva time doing it.

If ya can't have fun watching Phil X, the stick is up your ass too far...

ZW is a great player in his area and seems to be an awesome human being as well. It sounds like he wants to get some blues mojo going. He is working on it. I would love to hang with ZW and kick some blues. The guy is a legend. Internet bashing is hilarious. If ZW asked any of us on stage to jam with him I am guessing it would be a once in a lifetime honor for most.

JB, cool cat. Love the glasses. Playin ain't bad either.

 

[paulyc]

Nuno IS a master, but he'd be the first to tell you so too. GIANT ego. Talk to Fletcher at Mercenary Audio in Boston about trying to work with Nuno. I love the guy's playing,he's one of those guys that can do it all, from EVH to Malmsteen without breaking a sweat, but he can be a real dick. I wish he'd do a solo guitar record...he's the one guy I can think of that wouldn't bore me to tears...always inventive and refreshing to hear him play. Amazing.

 

[Rogue]

Here he gets taken to school by Warren Haynes...if you have trouble seeing it or understanding how, you have a long way to go as a player:

Wow! What an incredibly condescending remark! I watched that vid and I don't see it that way at all. I see two very dedicated, committed and talented musicians offering up their expressions on a piece of music. If anything they are playing in a complimentary style, not competitive!

Honestly, reducing everything to "He really kicked his ass" and "He got schooled" etc, etc, etc, is not only annoying, it's ridiculous and only shows that YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT OF MUSIC! Players at that level are ALL good, just different. If they appeal to you great, if they don't that's cool too.

Uhm, this is Rig Talk, the epitome of knowledge of all things guitar and who is better than who. This "musicians offering up their expressions on a piece of music" is nonsense. One MUST be better, or owning, another. There isn't anything else.