Bonamassa pretty much owns Zakk Wylde here.

[thiswaythatway]

Zakk was better when he drank............ however! Dude's he was a jamming a song that I'm sure he never plays, and JB prolly has done that song a gazillion times. Bring JB on stage with BLS, no rehearsal, and told a key to play in on any metal/hard rock song that the BLS dudes know, and it would look the same in reverse.

Are you saying it's hard to solo over a BLS song? Most consist of 1 chord chugging away while Zakk tries to show everyone he can play fast. It's easy to go mindless when you don't have to worry about soloing over chord changes.

And it's Crossroads for crying out loud. If you can't throw down a few licks on that after you've been playing guitar for a living for 30 years then something's wrong. Zakk "was" a great player. Can't stand anything he's done in years.

 

[paulyc]

I don't hate Zakk as a person or a player...his riff writing with Ozzy was great...solid tunes.

As to the smelly biker look, I don't REALLY care about that either, and you can save your photos of "pretty Zakk" for someone else. My "problem" with the dirty smelly biker thing is that he's dumbing himself down to the lowest common denominator like Dime...Lets just talk about booze and breaking shit and tearing it up. What Zakk puts on to go onstage is as much a costume as what Kiss puts on...or Metallica ALWAYS having to wear nothing but black...they were anti establishment at one point in their lives, now they conform and change out of their street clothes into their black T shirt, jeans, and boots. It's a fucking joke. Even Slash is a caricature of himself now. He didn't always wear the shades and top hat at every gig back in the day, but now he wouldn't be caught dead without them. When Guns came out they were so against all the hair metal cliques and stereotypes, what happened ? Wanting to have a career that lasts more than 5 minutes is what happened. People don't even buy a whole record anymore...they download just the tunes they like because their attention span is 5 minutes long. Look at pop stars of the last 15 years...where are they now ? And all the guys that were our heroes are reduced to selling signature gear to pay for their mansions...EVH gear ? Did you EVER think you'd see it in the 80s ? He broke ALL the rules...now he's just another conformist. It's fucking sad. 15 different signature wah pedals from Dunlop ? WTF ??? How much different is one from another REALLY ? It's all total bullshit.

And that "guitar" that Zakk is playing looks SO out of place at that gig, almost as out of place as he himself looks. It's the Tardacaster.

 

[jcj]

It's the Tardacaster.

 

[zewango]

This is how you play Crossroads. Geez EVH didnt getting mentioned? This already two pages long!!

 

[C1-ocaster]

A few things come to mind as I read this thread:

Here he gets taken to school by Warren Haynes...if you have trouble seeing it or understanding how, you have a long way to go as a player:

In closing, I agree that Zakk didn't make much a showing here but I think we all know that he's capable of much better.

That was great!
Thanks for posting it.

I've seen Haynes a few times and this video shows him at some of his best.

People can make fun of and laugh at the "simplicity" of Blues/Blues rock, but every musical genre has it's complexities when done well at a high level.

As for ZW, sure he's been relying too much on some overdone licks and tricks, but to say he sucks or can't play is really kinda silly.
Yeah, his playing in that clip was not very good, but those who've heard him over the years darn well know he can play.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Here he gets taken to school by Warren Haynes...if you have trouble seeing it or understanding how, you have a long way to go as a player:

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I gotta say BS, especially with what you think of another's understanding of it. That was just a great jam all around, I actually liked Joe's tone better.

 

[zewango]

I just watched it. I agree with Danyeo here. Both were great.

 

[junkerde]

so it's settled, we hate zakk wylde

but i gotta say his earlier playing was cleaner and better

 

[rupe]

Here he gets taken to school by Warren Haynes...if you have trouble seeing it or understanding how, you have a long way to go as a player:

.

I gotta say BS, especially with what you think of another's understanding of it. That was just a great jam all around, I actually liked Joe's tone better.

Agreed, it was a great jam, but Joe got his ass handed to him...and it had nothing to do with tone.
You'll get it some day when you grow up

 

[squank]

I just watched it. I agree with Danyeo here. Both were great.

Yep. I'd give the edge to JB.

 

[carlygtr]

Here he gets taken to school by Warren Haynes...if you have trouble seeing it or understanding how, you have a long way to go as a player:

.

I gotta say BS, especially with what you think of another's understanding of it. That was just a great jam all around, I actually liked Joe's tone better.

Agreed, it was a great jam, but Joe got his ass handed to him...and it had nothing to do with tone.
You'll get it some day when you grow up

Can you pinpoint the moment(s) Joe's getting his ass handed to him? I don't see it. Both played great, but I don't see anybody getting depantsed like Zakk did.

 

[rupe]

It's all about the call and response, with Joe trying to cop Warren's feel rather than do his own thing...a trap of sorts that old, experienced cats pull on younger hotshots (I've been a victim myself). Warren pulls out some crazy phrasing and Joe can't cop the feel...and he knows it...you can tell by his body language from around 7:27-7:35...and then he starts doing his own thing again.
You hang out in enough blues clubs and see enough blues jams, you become familiar with how the older, wiser cats cut heads...they bait you and then make you look stupid. Les Paul was notorious for doing this to hotshots who sat in with him (Slash told a story of Les absolutely taking him to school and basically humiliating him when he sat in). It has nothing to do with chops (no doubt Joe can outshred Warren), its all about phrasing and feel...like him or not, few players can touch Warren at that game.

I didn't expect too many people here to get it as I don't see many guys steeped in blues, but I expected you to get it Carl...still kinda shocked that you didn't. A very different kind of ass-whooping than the beating Zakk took.

Here's where the blues-tards try to argue...go for it

 

[squank]

It's all about the call and response, with Joe trying to cop Warren's feel rather than do his own thing...a trap of sorts that old, experienced cats pull on younger hotshots (I've been a victim myself). Warren pulls out some crazy phrasing and Joe can't cop the feel...and he knows it...you can tell by his body language from around 7:27-7:35...and then he starts doing his own thing again.
You hang out in enough blues clubs and see enough blues jams, you become familiar with how the older, wiser cats cut heads...they bait you and then make you look stupid. Les Paul was notorious for doing this to hotshots who sat in with him (Slash told a story of Les absolutely taking him to school and basically humiliating him when he sat in). It has nothing to do with chops (no doubt Joe can outshred Warren), its all about phrasing and feel...like him or not, few players can touch Warren at that game.

I didn't expect too many people here to get it as I don't see many guys steeped in blues, but I expected you to get it Carl...still kinda shocked that you didn't. A very different kind of ass-whooping than the beating Zakk took.

Here's where the blues-tards try to argue...go for it

Wow, that's some serious projection going on.

 

[Jason_86_951]

It's all about the call and response, with Joe trying to cop Warren's feel rather than do his own thing...a trap of sorts that old, experienced cats pull on younger hotshots (I've been a victim myself). Warren pulls out some crazy phrasing and Joe can't cop the feel...and he knows it...you can tell by his body language from around 7:27-7:35...and then he starts doing his own thing again.
You hang out in enough blues clubs and see enough blues jams, you become familiar with how the older, wiser cats cut heads...they bait you and then make you look stupid. Les Paul was notorious for doing this to hotshots who sat in with him (Slash told a story of Les absolutely taking him to school and basically humiliating him when he sat in). It has nothing to do with chops (no doubt Joe can outshred Warren), its all about phrasing and feel...like him or not, few players can touch Warren at that game.

I didn't expect too many people here to get it as I don't see many guys steeped in blues, but I expected you to get it Carl...still kinda shocked that you didn't. A very different kind of ass-whooping than the beating Zakk took.

Here's where the blues-tards try to argue...go for it

You can hear/see the respect Joe has for Warren, but I don't think he got his ass handed to him. Warren is clearly the leader (his vocals are MILES above Joe's too), but Joe was holding back a bit. I've love Warren's playing and he has the upper hand in experience and phrasing. Wait until Joe is his age

I've seen both live and Warren has his share of clams and tone issues. Joe didn't miss a note in the 6 hours I've seen him and his tone is SPOT ON. Warren is a bad ass for sure though.

 

[bartzzz]

And you figure the song is knee deep in Joes wheelhouse...he has probably solo'd over that same tune with 100 different guitarists while I am sure Zak hasnt had to play over that since he was 15 years old, taking his first guitar lessons...so here he was about as far out of his comfort zone than if it would have been a jazz trio....LOLOL I just think its cool he even got up there in the first place....

Also, figure Joes whole setup is designed to cut through that exact set, has been perfected over 20 years to sound optimum in that exact environment, whereas Zak prolly showed up, said throw a rectifier up there and a fifth of Jack, and I am ready to roll...

Hey RedRider, these are excellent points. I'm no huge Zak fan or anything, but it takes stones to get up and play at another dudes gig, so you have to give it to Zak there. It's even harder these days because no matter what or where you play, it's going to be all over youtube the next day where you're going to be very harshly judged by "the wannabes and never wases"

But after saying that, his playing just didn't fit. Clearly out of his comfort zone. But like I said good on him for giving it a go.

 

[MississippiMetal]

It's all about the call and response, with Joe trying to cop Warren's feel rather than do his own thing...a trap of sorts that old, experienced cats pull on younger hotshots (I've been a victim myself). Warren pulls out some crazy phrasing and Joe can't cop the feel...and he knows it...you can tell by his body language from around 7:27-7:35...and then he starts doing his own thing again.
You hang out in enough blues clubs and see enough blues jams, you become familiar with how the older, wiser cats cut heads...they bait you and then make you look stupid. Les Paul was notorious for doing this to hotshots who sat in with him (Slash told a story of Les absolutely taking him to school and basically humiliating him when he sat in). It has nothing to do with chops (no doubt Joe can outshred Warren), its all about phrasing and feel...like him or not, few players can touch Warren at that game.

I didn't expect too many people here to get it as I don't see many guys steeped in blues, but I expected you to get it Carl...still kinda shocked that you didn't. A very different kind of ass-whooping than the beating Zakk took.

Here's where the blues-tards try to argue...go for it

And like most guys who think they know blues, you over analyze the entire thing. It's not that complex. You get up there and do you, the other guy does him, you throw a lick out there and see if he can throw it back at you and vice versa, and that's it. And in the process, cool stuff happens. Sparks fly. All this talk of "baiting" and musical chess might go on at the Iridium (which I've played), but that's overthinking it a bit when it comes to blues gigs.

 

[bartzzz]

It's all about the call and response, with Joe trying to cop Warren's feel rather than do his own thing...a trap of sorts that old, experienced cats pull on younger hotshots (I've been a victim myself). Warren pulls out some crazy phrasing and Joe can't cop the feel...and he knows it...you can tell by his body language from around 7:27-7:35...and then he starts doing his own thing again.
You hang out in enough blues clubs and see enough blues jams, you become familiar with how the older, wiser cats cut heads...they bait you and then make you look stupid. Les Paul was notorious for doing this to hotshots who sat in with him (Slash told a story of Les absolutely taking him to school and basically humiliating him when he sat in). It has nothing to do with chops (no doubt Joe can outshred Warren), its all about phrasing and feel...like him or not, few players can touch Warren at that game.

I didn't expect too many people here to get it as I don't see many guys steeped in blues, but I expected you to get it Carl...still kinda shocked that you didn't. A very different kind of ass-whooping than the beating Zakk took.

Here's where the blues-tards try to argue...go for it

And like most guys who think they know blues, you over analyze the entire thing. It's not that complex. You get up there and do you, the other guy does him, you throw a lick out there and see if he can throw it back at you and vice versa, and that's it. And in the process, cool stuff happens. Sparks fly. All this talk of "baiting" and musical chess might go on at the Iridium (which I've played), but that's overthinking it a bit when it comes to blues gigs.

Yeah man, extremely well said. I think a lot of times when guys maybe haven't played in bands, they see the whole thing as like a huge UFC with guitars kinda thing. But for those who have played, it's really about having fun playing music. Of course there's always going to be a little bit of competition, it's in the human spirit to compete right? But it's not a war, and it's NOT about demolishing your opposition (well maybe for some nitwits it is). Joe obviously digs Zak and vice versa, mutual respect you know. "Hey Zak come up and play man" "Hey Joe thanks for asking man, that'd be a gas"
More like that I think.

Besides, if you're worried about looking bad you probably aren't in it for the right reasons.

cheers

 

[Zap]

It's all about the call and response, with Joe trying to cop Warren's feel rather than do his own thing...a trap of sorts that old, experienced cats pull on younger hotshots (I've been a victim myself). Warren pulls out some crazy phrasing and Joe can't cop the feel...and he knows it...you can tell by his body language from around 7:27-7:35...and then he starts doing his own thing again.
You hang out in enough blues clubs and see enough blues jams, you become familiar with how the older, wiser cats cut heads...they bait you and then make you look stupid. Les Paul was notorious for doing this to hotshots who sat in with him (Slash told a story of Les absolutely taking him to school and basically humiliating him when he sat in). It has nothing to do with chops (no doubt Joe can outshred Warren), its all about phrasing and feel...like him or not, few players can touch Warren at that game.

I didn't expect too many people here to get it as I don't see many guys steeped in blues, but I expected you to get it Carl...still kinda shocked that you didn't. A very different kind of ass-whooping than the beating Zakk took.

Here's where the blues-tards try to argue...go for it

I found your interpretation to be pretty insightful, actually. I still wouldn't say that Joe was owned, though.

 

[bartzzz]

Here he gets taken to school by Warren Haynes...if you have trouble seeing it or understanding how, you have a long way to go as a player:

Wow! What an incredibly condescending remark! I watched that vid and I don't see it that way at all. I see two very dedicated, committed and talented musicians offering up their expressions on a piece of music. If anything they are playing in a complimentary style, not competitive!

Honestly, reducing everything to "He really kicked his ass" and "He got schooled" etc, etc, etc, is not only annoying, it's ridiculous and only shows that YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT OF MUSIC! Players at that level are ALL good, just different. If they appeal to you great, if they don't that's cool too.

Like I said in an earlier post, it's NOT UFC with guitars man! It's music and art, everyone's expression is unique.

Sorry for the rant

cheers everyone

 

[C1-ocaster]

I'll fend off the ZW attackers...here's a tune I always enjoyed big time (not necessarily the video though

That tune ROCKS!

He's channeling his former boss vocally.