Carol-Ann Amps Dead?

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Whats funny and the reason I ended up here today was because some amp builder on a FB thread got pretty salty with me and he accused me of being one of those 'rigtalkers'. I don't even know what that means. I actually really wasn't ever on here much because at the time this place was more kind of the LA metal scene thing and that wasn't really my customer base. I just happened to have Tone Merchants as a Dealer and I met Brad there was I visiting and he set up an account.
Anyway........I will not mention any names but I came on here to see who the hell this guy from FB was and wasn't dissapointed. He's pretty infamous on here to say the least. As I was searching I came across this thread and couldn't unsee it. I had to follow up if there was any possibility someone didn't get a refund that had paid me.

we do our collective best to purge the idiots in a fair and balanced way. some never get the hint. :D

now I'm wondering who this FB yammering RT member is,...just for fun. ...

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@Carol-AnnAmps welcome back, enjoy your visit, stop by when you can; always heard great things about your amps, and your story about getting them into Fractal years ago.
 
Yep that's as close as youre gonna get nowadays - I haven't tried one out yet, and don't know anyone who has one unfortunately

Dr Z makes excellent shit though so I would be willing to bet it does plenty of justice to alan's design
So it sounds like one of my amps, but actually feels better (to me at least). Its slightly more forgiving. Now I know that's subjective, but that little bit of extra compression made it feel fun to me. When I first played the first proto, it inspired me to pull out the Brian May licks for some reason. None of my amps had ever really done that before. You can literally hear the different Z and CA inspiration in it. Mike had some cracking output transformers already that met my original requirement and they were incredible. He puts a lot of effort in his transformers. Its a bit of an odd ball because its a 6L6 cathode biased for a rock amp. Its only an odd ball because people tend to put things in to buckets of expectations based on what they assume something will sound like versus what the design is actually doing. If you listen to it, you would swear its a fixed biased EL34 design.
 
So it sounds like one of my amps, but actually feels better (to me at least). Its slightly more forgiving. Now I know that's subjective, but that little bit of extra compression made it feel fun to me. When I first played the first proto, it inspired me to pull out the Brian May licks for some reason. None of my amps had ever done that before. You can literally hear the Z and CA inspiration in it. Mike had some cracking output transformers already that met my original requirement. Its a bid of an odd ball because its 6L6 cathode biased in a rock amp. Its only an odd ball because people tend to put things in to buckets of expectations based on what they assume something will sound like versus what the design is actually doing.

That's really interesting, it being a 6L6 and cathode biased

I'm generally a high gain/metal player, but I love the classic AC30 influenced sound as well (i've owned a bunch of matchless, top hat, dr z) and have given others like Chris/Smash the Z fever because of the Maz, which is one of my favorite amps ever

I need to find one of these to try out as it seems right up my alley
 
Haha I found the clip. So don't laugh. I had not played the guitar for over a year after the business tanked and I was rather overweight too. But my wife just recorded this for fun with a cell phone. This is the the very first day the first proto arrived.

 
Haha I found the clip. So don't laugh. I had not played the guitar for over a year after the business tanked and I was rather overweight too. But my wife just recorded this for fun with a cell phone. This is the the very first day the first proto arrived.



Dude that's awesome you still have the clip! Sounds great, super clear with lots of sustain but no fizz
 
When I asked for the story of you working with dr z, i had no idea that you would respond; or if you did, how much you would actually share. But this has been awesome. And great clip, also
Did you never see the interview Sweetwater did of the two of us. We go in to quite a bit of detail of the amp and you can see what the interactions are like.

 
I don’t know anything about the amps but the Carol Ann Amps name has always been seen as a boutique killer amp maker in my eyes right up there with 3rd Power, Dr. Z, and even Trainwrecks.

It’s hard as hell to run a business, family, work a full time job, and still work to help others get the tone that’s in their head. Engineering is one thing but the business side is no joke on the financial side as well as the suppliers, manufacturers, taxes, filing dates, certificates, etc. I think any business owner commends your transparency in wanting to make things right even years later because it’s the right thing to do. It sounds like you have a very supportive family and friend network to lean on as well which is important in not letting the responsibilities and public feedback absolutely drown you in spiraling mental and physical decline. At the end of the day a lot of people don’t realize there’s still a human being behind the name that put their life behind the product and time they’ll never get back.

Glad to see you’ve made your way over here. RT still has a healthy demand for high gain designs but a significant amount of us respect the boutique amps for the feel and extra details that must go into designing them to stay relevant. It takes talent on the player and the designer both at that level.
 
According to the posts at TPG it wasn't burn out. It was just that the market had contracted. He shut his doors and went back to work in industry as an engineer. There are two amp builders out there who are degree-holding EE's that i'm aware of and both returned to working as an EE because of pay. I think he's designing PCB's for industrial robots/automation or something akin to that.

Outstanding orders were addressed in the thread over there where he basically said he'd take care of things as he could, but was way too busy to deal daily with amp building. He said something about finishing outstanding orders as he had time. That's been a while, so it's unfortunate if he still hasn't taken care of everything.
Having an EE is useless without business experience in the amp industry.
 
Having an EE is useless without business experience in the amp industry.

I've addressed this several times including on this thread yesterday. Not sure if you knew you also quoted a years old post. My business survived for almost 20 years full time as my only job, in fact at one point it employed several people. I started it from nothing with literally a few hundred dollars when I was laid off just to pass some time while looking for another job. It blew up in a good way, but I never planned anything or expected that. Overall I built 2600 amps that still trade for decent prices, I worked with some great artists and had a lot of fun doing it. Eventually the business had built so many amps for a niche market meant there was a tipping point where the used market of my own amps became my largest competitor. People who bought these amps that often had already had multiple owners expected support. Your ass is to fire constantly with the internet where people can just make shit up if you don't respond to them instantly, even when they had bought a 10 year old amp from Reverb that some internet schooled amp tech had fucked up, yet still expected your time for free. If you then start charging consulting time for these cases, then the internet trolls come out in force on forums and FB. Finding ways to provide services for used amps was the only options, service, upgrades etc, but they were not great money makers either. Add to that the market was going through changes where the expensive modellers started to become trendy and the fragility of my business became very apparent, but I chose to push harder instead of wrapping it up. So eventually I burned out.
So both points can be true, the business had changed and I was burned out and run out of energy trying to keep it going. I should have adapted to those changes sooner and got help running it and put a firewall between me and the business end, in hind sight.
So while your statement is true for the most part, I think surviving 20 years against all odds as an Engineer that didn't have a great business background was still pretty damn good all things considered. How many amp businesses have you seen that come and go after 1, 2 or maybe 5 years. How many don't even get off the ground, period ? So 'useless', that may be a bit harsh.
 
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Its interesting if you also invert the statement where the main person isn't an actual Engineer, but is a business person. You then have amp businesses that may sell a lot , but what they are selling is often nothing more than hyped up overpriced clones of the work of others. Someone like Z is a rarity as he is a great engineer and is also very business savy, hence the reason his business is still going strong after 40 years. He knows where to draw the balance of compromise between the two sides. I learned a lot from him that made it clear where I went wrong.
 
I had one for a minute, but GC did such a horrible job packing it, that I returned it. I'm waiting to jump on another that hopefully will arrive in proper packaging.
My maz 18 was in a huge box with some paper on the bottom of the amp to sit on and literally no other padding. I was irritated, but somehow the amp was flawless. And so i just turned it up to max volume and played it to see if it was solid, and it was.
 
Its interesting if you also invert the statement where the main person isn't an actual Engineer, but is a business person. You then have amp businesses that may sell a lot , but what they are selling is often nothing more than hyped up overpriced clones of the work of others. Someone like Z is a rarity as he is a great engineer and is also very business savy, hence the reason his business is still going strong after 40 years. He knows where to draw the balance of compromise between the two sides. I learned a lot from him that made it clear where I went wrong.
Don’t take it personally. It was a general statement independent of your situation. My point is that many people who are great at their craft but fail in their business. Not saying you personally failed.
 
My maz 18 was in a huge box with some paper on the bottom of the amp to sit on and literally no other padding. I was irritated, but somehow the amp was flawless. And so i just turned it up to max volume and played it to see if it was solid, and it was.

The box I got was ripped half open, maybe two pieces of bubble wrap around the amp, a couple of crumpled up pieces of paper, and the amp laying on its back in the box. Even the guy at my local GC where I returned it was like "WTF?!" when I showed him the pics.
 
The box I got was ripped half open, maybe two pieces of bubble wrap around the amp, a couple of crumpled up pieces of paper, and the amp laying on its back in the box. Even the guy at my local GC where I returned it was like "WTF?!" when I showed him the pics.
I'm assuming that was a used purchase. Mike uses custom boxes and a machine that forms packing from foam that completely encases the amp. I used to have to deal with so many idiotic packing situations where someone bought an amp used from reverb and somehow it ended up my problem. The same with horrendous retubes or mods in used amps. People think they are getting bargains used, but often they are getting someone elses experiment or something that has unaddressed issues and the number of footswitches that go missing is insane. They were electronic foot controllers and quite expensive to replace so it wasn't just a case of grabbing a footswitch from GC.
Another common one is an amp owned by a 'tube roller'. Fucking killed me did that ,most asinine thing you could do when I'd had already selected each tube for each position and pre-amp tubes do actually last quite a long time. I've seen 10 year old regularly gigged amps where the preamp tubes were still great. Even the very best tube sockets are only designed for a fairly limited number of insertions before the pins will start getting loose. I've repaired amps where tubes fell out of the sockets when you turned it upside down. Sure you can tighten them but it weakens the pins and eventually the sockets need replacing.

The worst I ever saw was one of my amps shipped back to me for repair after being in a an actual train wreck. It was an insurance write off because it had a really twisted chassis and a totally destroyed cab. I still have that old chassis, obviously tubes had broke, but after replacing them, it amazingly still worked. Mangled mess, but still functional.
 
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I'm assuming that was a used purchase. Mike uses custom boxes and a machine that forms packing from foam that completely encases the amp. I used to have to deal with so many idiotic packing situations where someone bought an amp used from reverb. The same with horrendous retubes in used amps. People think they are getting bargains, but often they are getting someone elses experiment or something that has unaddressed issues and the number of footswitches that go missing is insane. They were electronic foot controllers and quite expensive to replace so it wasn't just a case of grabbing a footswitch from GC.

The worst I ever saw was aone of my amps shipped back to me for repair after being in a literal train wreck. It was an insurance write off because it had a really twisted chassis and a totally destroyed cab. I still have the old chassis, obviously tubes had broke, but after replacing them, it actually still worked. Mangled mess, but still functional.
I think both of ours were bought used from guitar center. Luckily, mine sounds amazing. So i know it wasn't fooled with
 
I think both of ours were bought used from guitar center. Luckily, mine sounds amazing. So i know it wasn't fooled with

yeah if it was wrong, you'd know - the maz is one of those amps that everyone and i mean everyone - high gain guys, low gain guys, edge of breakup guys, plays or hears for the first time and are like "what is going on with THAT??"

It's just it's own thing, and its kind of like a plexi, kind of fender, and kind of vox, kind of familiar yet has it's own thing

you just crank it up and it immediately rocks, basically no matter where you set the knobs
 
yeah if it was wrong, you'd know - the maz is one of those amps that everyone and i mean everyone - high gain guys, low gain guys, edge of breakup guys, plays or hears for the first time and are like "what is going on with THAT??"

It's just it's own thing, and its kind of like a plexi, kind of fender, and kind of vox, kind of familiar yet has it's own thing

you just crank it up and it immediately rocks, basically no matter where you set the knobs
Mike uses some old NOS Russian EL84's with a different code (6P14P I think) and I highly recommend when it comes time to replace, get those tubes direct from DrZ. They are way tougher than the garbage EL84's you can buy now. He also uses some odd ball preamp tubes in some amps. In fact he asked me to modify the effects loop design in the CAZ to use a 12DW7, which is a 12AU7 triode and 12AX7 triode in the same bottle. The first proto he had fitted a Metro loop and I thought it sounded anemic in that amp , so I sent it back with a 12AU7 loop and then he asked if I could use the 12DW7. My traditional effects loop used both triodes of a 12AU7, but it actually worked out real nice having the extra gain on the return stage in that design.
 

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