Thumbpicker
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Nearly every country gets embarrassed by their politicians. Trump and Hilary were pretty special though lol
Dan Gleesak
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They really were lol. And it pains me to say that because typically I do not enjoy “political humor”. I think the president of your country deserves a certain amount of respect.
But honestly, Trump deserves everything that has been, and ever will be said about him.
Thumbpicker
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You might wonder why I'd even take an interest in US Politics as an Australian but it actually does affect me... It affects my superannuation and investments pretty directly which is pretty much my life savings. The Australian stock market follows Wall Street not quite but almost in lockstep. It also affects our foreign policy in terms of defence as close allies.
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Bad Brain
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Well that's on you all, as is how you decide to invest.
Thumbpicker
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I invest in index funds - so the equivalent of your S&P500 i.e. The ASX200. So as I said the ASX200 is pretty much tied to the Dow Jones and S&P500 and how they behave. All our shares go broadly up and down with your shares. So not much choice unless you have the knowledge of a full on share trader and even then I'm sure they can't escape it either. Therefore I'm not sure I know what point your making. You don't have that problem in the US because it doesn't work the other way around. Your shares don't get massively impacted by our politicians.
As for foreign policy, no it's not on us. It's on both parties. We have both made pacts and treaties over the years with respect to defence and intelligence sharing and expect a certain level of loyalty and predictability from our Allies who we send troops to assist in all your conflicts. Your media gives us very little kudos at all for it. If traitors like Trump want to suck up to our enemies like Russia, N Korea and China then sorry fuck y'all you are my enemy. What sort of Republican sucks up to commie and dictator bastards other than an unhinged madman. Leftwingers sucking up to commies is one thing... Republicans doing it is lunacy. It's not so much the fact that they are commies he likes I suspect he is attracted to the fact they are autocrats and he fancies himself an emperor.
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Bad Brain
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While you can't avoid all of the effects of US political decisions (Or any state really), you are still personally responsible for how you decide to invest — including assuming the risk of investments that could be affected by US politics. And I see your point about mutual expectations in treaties and pacts, but so far as I know there has been no legal breach. If you're unhappy though, perhaps this is a good time to reconsider those alliances.
I don't think Trump is a traitor for seeking peace or otherwise having relationships with leaders that have been determined by some to be our enemies. On the contrary, it can easily be argued that any politicians, lobbyists and special interest groups that are advocating or sending money to other countries and putting empire and global hegemony above the interests of day to day Americans are the real traitors. And finally, you're just speculating about his psychology. Maybe you're right but I don't particularly see it.
JackBootedThug
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here's my thing...Colorado gets it wrong. Insurrection? Without weapons? Nope. Without weapons it's a protest at best. Add in the fact there were TOUR GUIDES and even that goes away. Sorry...those were VACATIONERS. Not INSURRECTIONISTS. If they would have broken in and started engaging in butt piracy like that senate staffer then it would have been so stunning, so brave....Nobody would say anything then because they would be afraid of being labeled homophobic.
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fantom
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https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...ation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf
This is what the Colorado Supreme Court said about the initial ruling.
> The court found by clear and convincing evidence that President Trump engaged in insurrection as those terms are used in Section Three.
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>But, the district court concluded, Section Three does not apply to the President. Therefore, the court denied the petition to keep President Trump off the presidential primary ballot.
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> • Section Three encompasses the office of the Presidency and someone who has taken an oath as President. On this point, the district court committed reversible error.
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> • The district court did not err in concluding that President Trump “engaged in” that insurrection through his personal actions.
This is what the Colorado Supreme Court said about the initial ruling.
> The court found by clear and convincing evidence that President Trump engaged in insurrection as those terms are used in Section Three.
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>But, the district court concluded, Section Three does not apply to the President. Therefore, the court denied the petition to keep President Trump off the presidential primary ballot.
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> • Section Three encompasses the office of the Presidency and someone who has taken an oath as President. On this point, the district court committed reversible error.
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> • The district court did not err in concluding that President Trump “engaged in” that insurrection through his personal actions.
JackBootedThug
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you should go a different direction. if something does not change we will be the next venezuela. you cannot keep printing money and spending like there's no tomorrow.
Thumbpicker
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Yes it worries me.
311boogieman
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The problem with the whole Colorado thing is the way the media will spin this and how social media (especially Tiktok) will use it - against our system.
Ever hear the term 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer'
JackBootedThug
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It’s fake dude. It’s hilarious in its stupidity. No charge, trial or conviction. Yet these morons in their arrogance feel that they can decide this. They won’t stop poking the bull. It’s obvious to anyone it’s a political conspiracy nationwide. Then again it’s probably planned and set up to stir hate and discontent.The problem with the whole Colorado thing is the way the media will spin this and how social media (especially Tiktok) will use it - against our system.
Ever hear the term 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer'
Thumbpicker
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Complete the sentence...Ever hear the term 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer'
The friend of my enemy is my ___________ .
Ben Waylin
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Thumbpicker
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Dan Gleesak
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Frenemies
jdel77
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Saw this yesterday here in Oz.
Trump’s a lying scumbag used car salesman. Biden is a mummified zombie.
If you guys actually had decent humans as candidates on both sides of your system, maybe your country wouldn’t be so far down the shittery.
Australian politics isn’t much better, but it’s definitely not worse ?.
Everything’s up for sale to the highest bidder in the good ol’ US of A. Your founding fathers would be spewing if they saw the amoral cesspit American politics has been for the last 50 years minimum, which is a crying shame as there are good people who want real change over there.
Trump’s a lying scumbag used car salesman. Biden is a mummified zombie.
If you guys actually had decent humans as candidates on both sides of your system, maybe your country wouldn’t be so far down the shittery.
Australian politics isn’t much better, but it’s definitely not worse ?.
Everything’s up for sale to the highest bidder in the good ol’ US of A. Your founding fathers would be spewing if they saw the amoral cesspit American politics has been for the last 50 years minimum, which is a crying shame as there are good people who want real change over there.
Thumbpicker
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Yep that's just about exactly what I've said here.
JackBootedThug
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And that’s the whole problem…how do we change it…historically we don’t have a good track record of peaceful political change. Both parties are identical…they swap their message to whoever they are pandering to. All about self serving enrichment.
Totally Bored
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Term limits in Congress would be a great start.
The problem with that is "they" would have to vote for that and that won't happen
