Controversial gear opinions…….lets hear them.

[rsm]

I honestly just don't care that much about it - I have no problems buying or owning a fender, and no problems buying or owning a suhr

I care....because...reasons.


However, this thread is about controversial gear opinions, which is why I posted it here; again.


This is a Fender:

This is not:

Not a Fender

not a Fender:

not a Fender:

 

[MadAsAHatter]

I care....because...reasons.


However, this thread is about controversial gear opinions, which is why I posted it here; again.


This is a Fender:

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This is not:

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Not a Fender


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not a Fender:

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not a Fender:

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Obvious Strat copies, no argument from me there; other than the PRS headstcock looks ass end ugly on a Strat body.

Would you consider this a Strat copy? Or would it be different enough to fall under the inspired by category and not be subject to copyright?

 

[Findthetone1]

Unfortunately the real fix is a 12ax7 suppository, but for the best results it needs to go in, pins first.

My dentist keeps suggesting this.....

 

[rsm]

Obvious Strat copies, no argument from me there; other than the PRS headstcock looks ass end ugly on a Strat body.

Would you consider this a Strat copy? Or would it be different enough to fall under the inspired by category and not be subject to copyright?

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just my opinion, it's close but different enough in the body shape; most super strats are different enough; they're not so close that without seeing the headstock or in some cases inlays it's difficult to tell them apart.


Find someone who doesn't play guitar, show them only pics of the body of the guitars I posted, see if they think they look the same: forms, shapes, design and proportions. I know I couldn't tell them apart without seeing the headstock, name or in some cases inlays.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

just my opinion, it's close but different enough in the body shape; most super strats are different enough; they're not so close that without seeing the headstock or in some cases inlays it's difficult to tell them apart.


Find someone who doesn't play guitar, show them only pics of the body of the guitars I posted, see if they think they look the same: forms, shapes, design and proportions. I know I couldn't tell them apart without seeing the headstock, name or in some cases inlays.

As long as it's only direct copies being subject to copyright we're talking about and excluding modified/inspired by then I'm on board with your argument of Fender having a right to defend that specific shape. I think there's enough room for companies to a Strat-ish shape that has the same vibe without being a 1:1 copy that no one could tell the difference without some other identifier. For instance PRS could easily do 3 single coils on the body below and to me it'd give the same Strat vibe without being a Strat.

 

[JackBootedThug]

All modded Marshalls sound like boogies.

 

[skoora]

My dentist keeps suggesting this.....

4 out 5 I believe.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

4 out 5 I believe.

What happened to that 5th one???

 

[Music&Chaos]

we can most certainly prove Leo sold his original Fender designs to CBS, and onward from there to FMIC today.

you might want to do the research yourself since you continue to doubt what I post. FMIC owns Leo's original designs, more recently Fender purchased G&L’s intellectual property rights, which primarily include the trademarks to Leo Fender's name, his likeness, and his signature.

CBS acquired the absolute legal rights to manufacture and sell Leo Fender’s iconic guitar designs. This was a comprehensive buyout of the company's entire intellectual property portfolio. All of which passed to FMIC in the 1985 buyout, and to Servco Pacific who owns FMIC today. FMIC did not buy the Fullerton, CA factory which is why it was moved to Corona, CA.

There are no questions, concerns, doubts or ambiguity about who owns Leo's original Fender designs, name, signature, etc., except for you and few others...I didn't realize people still had difficulty searching the internet in 2026, but here we are...deny away...


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If they own the designs then they can produce the documents that say so. Not much to go on about.

 

[rstites]

If they own the designs then they can produce the documents that say so. Not much to go on about.

Something that would have been firmly established and defended years ago if it was actually that important to Fender. There'd be a paperwork dating to the 50s if those who did the actual design work cared about the issue.

 

[Rackman]

Something that would have been firmly established and defending years ago if it was actually that important to Fender. There'd be a paperwork dating to the 50s if those who did the actual design work cared about the issue.

Fender is like the guy who totally owns the car, but has no title or bill of sale. No paperwork = no ownership. Which is why they were laughed out of court when they tried this is the US. This is just a case of venue shopping and lying (about a default judgement holding legal weight) on Fender's part. Not a good look. They should have just made the slogan "Play Authentic".

The best possible outcome of this would be a large amount of IP going to the Bigsby estate, so the guy who actually invented it (ort at least his heir) doesn't get screwed. Sure, it's been a long time but apparently that's no barrier

 

[rsm]

If they own the designs then they can produce the documents that say so. Not much to go on about.

you should ask FMIC to prove it to you; they have the documents after all. Let us know what they say.

 

[rsm]

All modded Marshalls sound like boogies.

Marshalls are just Fender Bassman amps with UK parts.

 

[Music&Chaos]

you should ask FMIC to prove it to you; they have the documents after all. Let us know what they say.

Wouldn't it be you that they need to provide it to....? I guess you are just going on to go on at this point.

 

[rsm]

Wouldn't it be you that they need to provide it to....? I guess you are just going on to go on at this point.

I believe they own the rights, so no need to provide documents to me.

You're the non-believer here, so you should seek the proof you need!

 

[johnny q]

Ok, I'll play:

1. You CAN get a sense of what a pickup will sound like from it's DCR. YES, we know well that DCR is not the end all, and materials, magnet type, wire type, degaussing, magnet orientation etc. are huge factors. But wind me an A5 pickup to 16K and I can tell you pretty much what you will get. Wind me a 14K A2 and I have a pretty good idea what it will sound like. It certainly will not sound like a 1959 PAF.
2. Tying your strings in knots at the tuning machines is complete and utter bullcrap and will do nothing for your tuning stability
3. Adjusting a pickups height and individual polepieces will not make you fall in love with a set of pickups that you initially felt were a complete tone turd.
4. Many El Cheapo guitars have better fretwork than some Custom Shop Fenders
5. The buffers in Boss pedals are awful and DO color your tone
6. Expensive instrument and speaker cables are complete and utter snake oil. Look for good construction and "sweet spot" capacitance when it comes to instrument cables and if you are paying upwards of $60 you are paying too much.
7. Ovation acoustics suck/sound like crap
8. Nickel covered humbuckers in a Strat style guitar should be illegal
9. Svetlana "Winged C" EL34s are THE most overrated EL34s in history
10. Pickup winders that charge upwards of $400 or just shy of $1000 should at least offer to give you a kiss, before they screw you. Materials to wind a pickup would set you back about $65. "Reverse engineering", proprietary winding techniques and specially sourced parts = my ass.

 

[Solarflares]

Real St.Petersburg Svetlana Winged-C EL34’s are one of the most underrated valves in history.

My dislikes in music, in descending order of gay depravity. Beginning with mild cock-licker.
Visible grain on guitars.
String Winders.
Bigsby’s.
C necks.
Roasted woods.
Humbuckers.
Any radius less than 20”.
Tuning to E.
Tuning to Eb.
Jumbo frets.
Fingerboard oil.
Anything George Lynch or Nuno.
Modellers.
Any pedalboard that isn’t a remote switcher.
Neodymium Magnets.
Artist Tributes.
Limited Editions.
Sticking-plaster mk2 fixes to a failed mk1 amp.

Unbelievably, it gets queerer than that.

Beards in Rock.
Tattoos in Rock.
Leather in Rock.
Workboots in Rock.
Chains in Rock.
Belts in Rock.
Piercings in Rock.
Mediocre women guitarists, with all the above.
What utter Cunts.

And finally, the true kings of knob-gobblers…

TAB.
Bedroom players with the Master on 1.
Tribute Bands.
Cover Bands.
Worship groups.
8-String Guitars.
6-String Basses.
JJ , Shuguang, and any TAD valves.
Anything mainstream digital for guitar made after 1994.
Jeff Keisel.

 

[The~Kid]

Chinese Celestion V30s sound better than vintage Greenbacks



Come fight me bruh

 

[Solarflares]

V30’s are gay.
Over-doped, ultra-stiff pieces of utter crap, assembled by 2 year-olds, and sold to guitar players with a mental age on a par with their shoe size.

 

[tjnx]

V30’s are gay.
Over-doped, ultra-stiff pieces of utter crap, assembled by 2 year-olds, and sold to guitar players with a mental age on a par with their shoe size.

let it out bb