thegame
Well-known member
Cerebral Hypothesis at it’s finest
geetarmikey
Active member
No I agree about the "All the gear and no idea" people for sure!Well in this case i'm being hyperbolic - no one (including me) is going to make fun of someone just for having gear and not being an amazing player in a vacuum
But there's definitely a pattern with certain types of people having tons of ridiculously expensive gear, barely being able to play it, and talking about said gear (and guitar in general) as if they are an expert and lording it over everyone around them
this has happened over and over on Rig Talk, IRL, and every other guitar forum known to mankind, and will continue to be a massive lolcow. I'm sure i wont be to the only one making fun of those people
DanTravis62
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rsm
Well-known member
Like associating Ford Motor Company with Henry Ford? Or Chevrolet with Louis Chevrolet; or IBM with Thomas Watson.
Leo created and sold what he created; FMIC owns the rights to what Leo created and sold to CBS, and what is now FMIC - who also owns Leo's G&L original designs. Leo also sold Music Man where he created the Stingray and Sabre, maybe other original designs, which the new owners successfully manage to protect Leo's original designs.
bennyslo
Member
All guitar amps should have external bias points and trim pots. Ain't no reason to be poking around inside an amp chassis for this.
rsm
Well-known member
If you use a low-watt amp or an attenuator, you're living in the wrong place, or with the wrong people...probably both. 
rsm
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you must be new here.
TGP getting too rough for you?
Enjoy your Silver Sky SE (copy)
rsm
Well-known member
G&L Leo didn't create new shapes - he copied many of his own original Fender designs; he focused on improving components or creating new tone systems including Saddle-lock bridge, dual-fulcrum vibrato, MFD pickups, PTB tone system and Active/passive tone systems, Most of these ended up used in the L-2000 bass.
rsm
Well-known member
believe what you want; FMIC owns many of Leo's original designs and inventions. Leo sold them to CBS; and they're owned by FMIC.
Unfortunately for FMIC, they can't enforce their ownership where it matters: legally; in court. Ownership and the ability to enforce ownership rights are two different things, but ownership has to be enforced.
Rickenbacker vigorously protects its ownership rights; so does EBMM; so do many other music companies.
TheGreatGreen
Well-known member
Welp, you’re right about this being a controversial opinion.
It’s like the guitar equivalent of that quote about how the poorest Americans defend rich people exploiting them because they don’t picture themselves as the exploited proletariat they are but instead, merely temporarily embarrassed millionaires who themselves will surely get to do the exploiting any day now.
Keep on defending that multi-hundred-million dollar corp who is actively trying to take away your buying options as a consumer rather than making a more competitive product, I’m sure it will come in handy when you get to sue everybody for stealing your own multi-hundred-million dollar company’s ideas!
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rsm
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some of us are fine with that.
when buying options are based on stealing other people/companies designs without attribution or permission, damn right they should sue.
Try making and selling a Rickenbacker or EBMM copy of one of their original designs; let us know how that works out for you.
Music&Chaos
Well-known member
So Leo stole his own designs? Or did he consider each iteration a new design or model....?some of us are fine with that.
when buying options are based on stealing other people/companies designs without attribution or permission, damn right they should sue.
Try making and selling a Rickenbacker or EBMM copy of one of their original designs; let us know how that works out for you.
Again, we cant even prove Fender as a corporation ever legally 'owned' Leo's ideas, let alone the subsequent sales/exchanges afterward.
rsm
Well-known member
we can most certainly prove Leo sold his original Fender designs to CBS, and onward from there to FMIC today.
you might want to do the research yourself since you continue to doubt what I post. FMIC owns Leo's original designs, more recently Fender purchased G&L’s intellectual property rights, which primarily include the trademarks to Leo Fender's name, his likeness, and his signature.
CBS acquired the absolute legal rights to manufacture and sell Leo Fender’s iconic guitar designs. This was a comprehensive buyout of the company's entire intellectual property portfolio. All of which passed to FMIC in the 1985 buyout, and to Servco Pacific who owns FMIC today. FMIC did not buy the Fullerton, CA factory which is why it was moved to Corona, CA.
There are no questions, concerns, doubts or ambiguity about who owns Leo's original Fender designs, name, signature, etc., except for you and few others...I didn't realize people still had difficulty searching the internet in 2026, but here we are...deny away...
stephen sawall
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I don't think rsm point of view is exactly controversial.
I don't expect the courts to be fair or nonbias. They don't have a history of that.
I'm surprised this didn't happen years ago. I often wondered why it had not.
I don't expect the courts to be fair or nonbias. They don't have a history of that.
I'm surprised this didn't happen years ago. I often wondered why it had not.
DanTravis62
Moderator
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I honestly just don't care that much about it - I have no problems buying or owning a fender, and no problems buying or owning a suhr
MadAsAHatter
Well-known member
Back in 2004 or so I was active on a guitar builders forum. People had to be careful and were warned about posting designs that resembled Rickenbacker guitars because they guarded them so fiercely. Several people received legal notices throughout the years even when they were building as a hobby just making something for themself.
