Cork-sniffing slum-dogs... speak out!

[stratotone]

With a few exceptions, most of the amps I've owned (over 40) did at least something pretty well. I just like the different flavors and the way different amps (and kemper profiles!) react.

 

[stratotone]

Never cared what anybody thought. Play whatever I want.

I pretty much sound the same through anything I play anyway, so I chase tone to a point but beyond some quality gear I sound the same. Good tube amp, good Guitar and a good boost and delay and its all the same.

I seriously can not belive the tone is in the fingers hype.

I do. Ever have someone else play through your amp with your guitar? Sounds different than me every time one of my friends does it. You're looking at pick angle, how hard they pick (and how often) how hard they fret with the left hand, how in sync the hands are, how they phrase, etc.

I don't think I sound the SAME through every high gain amp, but I sure know that if someone else plays through my amp with my guitar it's going to sound a little different.

 

[Motorpud]

If tone is in the fingers why are there so many amp brands? Why do they voice them differently if they're just going to sound the same anyway? How can tube amps sound better if you sound the same through everything you play?

Never made sense to me, in a way I find it borderline hypocritical. IMO the answer is simple, either you're a good player with good technique or you're not. Your amp, guitar, and speakers are going to give you 90% of your end product.

 

[rlord1974]

Player A and Player B are in a room together (fully clothed).

Player A plugs into a guitar rig in the room and dials in his tone (still fully clothed, btw)

Player A then hands his guitar to Player B (Player B at this point could be partially naked, but this is not relevant)

Player B then plays through the same guitar rig, with the same guitar. The tone sounds completely different.

Why?

Playing technique.

(At this point, both Player A and Player B have disrobed. However, this does not change the point being made)

 

[Red_Label]

I hear you man. I've come to accept that the tones I like to hear don't come from the most expensive amps/guitars in the world; I'm just as happy playing through a $600 6505+ and an LTD ec1000 as I am anything else I've tried. I only play for me and use a shitload of gain cause I dig massive saturation. I sold a Bogner Red pedal 12 minutes after I opened the box as it just didn't speak to me or excite my playing. Don't care, it's much cheaper this way!

I had a Bogner Red for a couple of weeks as well. Sounded great into my clean Straub amp. Like... an XTC!!! LOL! I used to have an XTC Classic and there's a 101b sitting in the man cave right now. A Bogner is a Bogner. Either you dig what they do, or you don't. I do dig their compressed saturation for some lead work. But MUCH prefer the hard-hitting, open roar of a classic boosted Marshall type circuit for rhythm work.

can you tell me more about your Straub? that dude helped me out way back , on the hoffman forum I beleive, when I just started building. really cool dude.

sorry I'm late in replying Jerry. Our network took a dump at work. I had a long reply to you all typed when it went down. I'm doing this from my phone now... so it'll be shorter.

My Straub is one of only two 6L6-based "Hurdy Gurdy" amps that Harry built. It's like an old blackface unless you engage the boost toggle. Then it's more of a plexi. He usually builds the plexi-based EL34 "Cantis" model. I emailed him a few times and found him to be very friendly and helpful. I didn't buy the amp direct from him. I got it used from my local shop for a STEAL ($500 with road case!!!).

 

[Red_Label]

Never cared what anybody thought. Play whatever I want.

I pretty much sound the same through anything I play anyway, so I chase tone to a point but beyond some quality gear I sound the same. Good tube amp, good Guitar and a good boost and delay and its all the same.

I seriously can not belive the tone is in the fingers hype.

Yea ok if you straight up cant play you might not get a good tone because your notes are not clean.

But when I plug into a Peavey it sounds like a Peavey, when I plug into my VHT, it sounds like a VHT and not a Peavey.

Edit: When I tried a Rockerverb it sounded exactly like a Rockerverb. And that Herbert did not sound like any of them.

Sorry to derail, Mod on Bogner dude!!!

You guys are only dealing with HALF the equation regarding the player... Hhis hands. But what about his ears? Do you change the tone you're dialing in completely on every different amp? I sure don't! I grew up and learned to play in the '80s. So when I sit down with a clean channel or amp... I'm tweaking for that Fender type tone. And when I tweak an OD channel or amp I'm going for the classic pissed-off EVH type tone. When I play my 7 string into an Engl amp, I'm going for high gain metal tones. But my ears are the same and I want to hear what I want to hear. Each amp is NOT some kind of blank canvas. It's just not. That's not reality for the vast majority of players. Wherever we go and whatever we plug into... There we are!

 

[Heritage Softail]

I just like the different voicings of amps.

And price sometimes matters. And yep, Jerry Dyer has some great sounding amps at low prices. I would have none now except for buying to get a metal rig going, Snakebyte and Rhodes Gemini.

That said, my old DSL100 and a few dirt pedal flavors does well.

Gear chasing is a fun hobby. Shooting is the same way. No matter what .45 ACP, ya gotta hold it steady and get it down range. Bikes and cars are way more cash.

For whatever reason, nothing exciting about Egnater to me. Not hating, just not voiced for what I like.

 

[guitarmike]

Buy the amp you like and be done with it. Who cares what it cost? $100 or $10,000. As long as you are happy, that is all that matters.

 

[Mailman1971]

Buy the amp you like and be done with it. Who cares what it cost? $100 or $10,000. As long as you are happy, that is all that matters.

Exactly!!! Its not like "this will get me by...."
I had pretty much every amp up and down the food chain.
For me my favorite is the Diezel VH4. No questions.

But finances....etc.....whittled down....
playing a modded Mesa Recto. Sounds KILLER!!!
I just play out in my garage with my buddies. Do I need a VH4?
Can I get by on a Crate?

But when the rubber meets the road....
I WANT A VH4......and I will buy another one. Till then am I having fun with the FJA Mesa? You bet!!!

But for me being a lowly garage player......I will have another 4k VH4 in my grubby mitts again!
Why?? Cause I want it!!

 

[Heritage Softail]

Buy the amp you like and be done with it. Who cares what it cost? $100 or $10,000. As long as you are happy, that is all that matters.

Exactly!!! Its not like "this will get me by...."
I had pretty much every amp up and down the food chain.
For me my favorite is the Diezel VH4. No questions.

But finances....etc.....whittled down....
playing a modded Mesa Recto. Sounds KILLER!!!
I just play out in my garage with my buddies. Do I need a VH4?
Can I get by on a Crate?

But when the rubber meets the road....
I WANT A VH4......and I will buy another one. Till then am I having fun with the FJA Mesa? You bet!!!

But for me being a lowly garage player......I will have another 4k VH4 in my grubby mitts again!
Why?? Cause I want it!!

And I might be able to buy the old Recto from ya....

I bet the Kami would sound awesome thru a VH4...

 

[Mailman1971]

Buy the amp you like and be done with it. Who cares what it cost? $100 or $10,000. As long as you are happy, that is all that matters.

Exactly!!! Its not like "this will get me by...."
I had pretty much every amp up and down the food chain.
For me my favorite is the Diezel VH4. No questions.

But finances....etc.....whittled down....
playing a modded Mesa Recto. Sounds KILLER!!!
I just play out in my garage with my buddies. Do I need a VH4?
Can I get by on a Crate?

But when the rubber meets the road....
I WANT A VH4......and I will buy another one. Till then am I having fun with the FJA Mesa? You bet!!!

But for me being a lowly garage player......I will have another 4k VH4 in my grubby mitts again!
Why?? Cause I want it!!

And I might be able to buy the old Recto from ya....

I bet the Kami would sound awesome thru a VH4...

Oh no Bro....been discussed already. The recto goes NO WHERE!!

While the VH4 is my Fave....it cant get into the territory of the Modded recto.
Why? Cause it cant....

But I still love that tone to death. Peter Diezel.....I salute you!!

 

[Heritage Softail]

Buy the amp you like and be done with it. Who cares what it cost? $100 or $10,000. As long as you are happy, that is all that matters.

Exactly!!! Its not like "this will get me by...."
I had pretty much every amp up and down the food chain.
For me my favorite is the Diezel VH4. No questions.

But finances....etc.....whittled down....
playing a modded Mesa Recto. Sounds KILLER!!!
I just play out in my garage with my buddies. Do I need a VH4?
Can I get by on a Crate?

But when the rubber meets the road....
I WANT A VH4......and I will buy another one. Till then am I having fun with the FJA Mesa? You bet!!!

But for me being a lowly garage player......I will have another 4k VH4 in my grubby mitts again!
Why?? Cause I want it!!

And I might be able to buy the old Recto from ya....

I bet the Kami would sound awesome thru a VH4...

Oh no Bro....been discussed already. The recto goes NO WHERE!!

While the VH4 is my Fave....it cant get into the territory of the Modded recto.
Why? Cause it cant....

But I still love that tone to death. Peter Diezel.....I salute you!!

I guess I will just have to send mine up to get modded..

Give it the Mailman treatment..

 

[Mailman1971]

Buy the amp you like and be done with it. Who cares what it cost? $100 or $10,000. As long as you are happy, that is all that matters.

Exactly!!! Its not like "this will get me by...."
I had pretty much every amp up and down the food chain.
For me my favorite is the Diezel VH4. No questions.

But finances....etc.....whittled down....
playing a modded Mesa Recto. Sounds KILLER!!!
I just play out in my garage with my buddies. Do I need a VH4?
Can I get by on a Crate?

But when the rubber meets the road....
I WANT A VH4......and I will buy another one. Till then am I having fun with the FJA Mesa? You bet!!!

But for me being a lowly garage player......I will have another 4k VH4 in my grubby mitts again!
Why?? Cause I want it!!

And I might be able to buy the old Recto from ya....

I bet the Kami would sound awesome thru a VH4...

Oh no Bro....been discussed already. The recto goes NO WHERE!!

While the VH4 is my Fave....it cant get into the territory of the Modded recto.
Why? Cause it cant....

But I still love that tone to death. Peter Diezel.....I salute you!!

I guess I will just have to send mine up to get modded..

Give it the Mailman treatment..

Shit is so damn good....for reelz......

 

[shane159]

I have an 1988 Laney AOR 50 that I paid $120 and that amp seriously has put some of my "Boutique" amps to shame. That being said, I just recently traded my Shiva for a Quick Rod and I am loving that amp.

 

[Motorpud]

Player A and Player B are in a room together (fully clothed).

Player A plugs into a guitar rig in the room and dials in his tane (still fully clothed, btw)

Player A then hands his guitar to Player B (Player B at this point could be partially naked, but this is not relevant)

Player B then plays through the same guitar rig, with the same guitar. The tone sounds completely different.

Why?

Playing technique.

(At this point, both Player A and Player B have disrobed. However, this does not change the point being made)

I like your equation, I find that injecting full on male nudity into a lesson always helps me concentrate and absorb the information better.

With that said, I still don't believe that every player sounds different through the same rig.. They can, but I think that if you take 2 average players of the same skill level and have them play the exact same thing one after the other, you'd have a hard time telling the difference.

 

[Red_Label]

Player A and Player B are in a room together (fully clothed).

Player A plugs into a guitar rig in the room and dials in his tane (still fully clothed, btw)

Player A then hands his guitar to Player B (Player B at this point could be partially naked, but this is not relevant)

Player B then plays through the same guitar rig, with the same guitar. The tone sounds completely different.

Why?

Playing technique.

(At this point, both Player A and Player B have disrobed. However, this does not change the point being made)

I like your equation, I find that injecting full on male nudity into a lesson always helps me concentrate and absorb the information better.

With that said, I still don't believe that every player sounds different through the same rig.. They can, but I think that if you take 2 average players of the same skill level and have them play the exact same thing one after the other, you'd have a hard time telling the difference.

I guess that I'm focused on decent or GOOD players. Good players have very individual hands (phrasing and tone control) and will make the same rig sound different.

 

[Red_Label]

I just like the different voicings of amps.

And price sometimes matters. And yep, Jerry Dyer has some great sounding amps at low prices. I would have none now except for buying to get a metal rig going, Snakebyte and Rhodes Gemini.

That said, my old DSL100 and a few dirt pedal flavors does well.

Gear chasing is a fun hobby. Shooting is the same way. No matter what .45 ACP, ya gotta hold it steady and get it down range. Bikes and cars are way more cash.

For whatever reason, nothing exciting about Egnater to me. Not hating, just not voiced for what I like.

I sold my DSL50 a while back and have a new 2203X and I can tell you that with my OCD hitting the front end, they ALL sound very similar the way I've dialed them in.

In regards to the .45... I used to be ALL about .45s -- having a bunch of 1911s and my Kahr CW45 as a concealed-carry piece. But I picked-up a Kahr CW9 and preferred carrying it daily for the past 5+ years (it was smaller and thinner than the .45 and frankly more pleasant to shoot). That morphed into me picking up a couple of Browning Hi-Powers (since I'm quite fond of John Moses Browning's designs). And then I picked-up a S&W M&P9 full size, which is my nightstand gun. And recently I picked-up an M&P9 Shield for my new CCW piece to replace my Kahr. LOVE the M&P9s now and none of the other pistols ever leave the big safe or come to the range with me anymore. Just selling-off the Kahrs this week in fact to pay-off some music gear bills. I'll take shot-placement every time over bigger bore size (at least at 9mm or above). And it looks like the pendullum is swinging back to 9mm from .40 for some law enforcement agencies as well. The Los Angeles Sheriff Dept has just adopted the M&P9 as its new duty pistol.

 

[Anonymous]

Player A and Player B are in a room together (fully clothed).

Player A plugs into a guitar rig in the room and dials in his tone (still fully clothed, btw)

Player A then hands his guitar to Player B (Player B at this point could be partially naked, but this is not relevant)

Player B then plays through the same guitar rig, with the same guitar. The tone sounds completely different.

Why?

Playing technique.

(At this point, both Player A and Player B have disrobed. However, this does not change the point being made)

I stopped reading at "fully clothed"

 

[C1-ocaster]

I hear you man. I've come to accept that the tones I like to hear don't come from the most expensive amps/guitars in the world; I'm just as happy playing through a $600 6505+ and an LTD ec1000 as I am anything else I've tried. I only play for me and use a shitload of gain cause I dig massive saturation. I sold a Bogner Red pedal 12 minutes after I opened the box as it just didn't speak to me or excite my playing. Don't care, it's much cheaper this way!

It's all good. As they say one man's treasure is another man's trash....er, or something like that.

For me the 6505+ wasn't to my liking, but from all the people who love that amp I know there is something in it that when combined with a certain player and guitar it is magic to the ears. It is mostly the clean tones that I didn't like.

I really dig the Bogner Red pedal. I tried it at GC into a Fender SuperSonic 22 with a humbucker strat and I was like WOW, this thing is really cool. I LOVE high gain for the saturation and sustain and that pedal let me really add that and shape the tone.
I also compared it directly with the Uberschall pedal and I didn't like the Uberschall at all. I would have thought the Uber would kill on the high gain tones, but it was dull. It had gain but no "feel".

Peavey does and has had cool amps. Back in the early 80's when I first started playing I had a little Peavey Backstage 1x10.
The amp I wanted back then was a Peavey tube amp with 2x12 Black Widow speakers, iirc. Maybe a Duece or Classic, can't remember. A buddy had one and I still remember diggin it.

 

[rlord1974]

Player A and Player B are in a room together (fully clothed).

Player A plugs into a guitar rig in the room and dials in his tone (still fully clothed, btw)

Player A then hands his guitar to Player B (Player B at this point could be partially naked, but this is not relevant)

Player B then plays through the same guitar rig, with the same guitar. The tone sounds completely different.

Why?

Playing technique.

(At this point, both Player A and Player B have disrobed. However, this does not change the point being made)

I like your equation, I find that injecting full on male nudity into a lesson always helps me concentrate and absorb the information better.

Well, I appreciate your kind remarks, but there seems to have been a misunderstanding. Player B is female. I'm not sure why your mind immediately jumped to "full on male nudity"?.....