Diezel Einstein 100 -vs- Herbert -vs- VH4

[glassjaw7]

Sorry Dan, but I can't say one negative thing about the VH4 that I played through! It was absolutely fantastic sounding and the feel was so addicting! I could have sat there and played ch3 all day...wait, I did They were kicking me out the door as I was yelling "just one more chord!!"

 

[droptrd]

yeah that rig does sound Badass

THIS IS THE VIDEO THAT SELLS ME!!!!

This is my ULTIMATE tone in my head that I have YET to play thru!!

 

[prsdiezel]

Wow can't say much more than that. Thanks Olaf

I just traded my VH4S old model (there is a difference) for a Herbert. I'll say this the Herbert is more versatile with the mid cut.

Besides the Evil heavy sound I can get some killer plexi tones and the clean channel on the Herbert sounds better in my opinon.

Really you can't go wrong with any Diezel

What is the difference in the two? Which is better or more desireable?

The older model VH4s have more of a classic sound I would say. Less Gain on the 2nd and 3rd channels.

Newer VH4s have a more modern sound, more gain on the 2nd and 3rd channels. I think the treble voicing is alittle different. This is just a short brief description of course.

Olaf can tell you alot more about it than I can.

 

[tonmazz]

Wow can't say much more than that. Thanks Olaf

I just traded my VH4S old model (there is a difference) for a Herbert. I'll say this the Herbert is more versatile with the mid cut.

Besides the Evil heavy sound I can get some killer plexi tones and the clean channel on the Herbert sounds better in my opinon.

Really you can't go wrong with any Diezel

What is the difference in the two? Which is better or more desireable?

The older model VH4s have more of a classic sound I would say. Less Gain on the 2nd and 3rd channels.

Newer VH4s have a more modern sound, more gain on the 2nd and 3rd channels. I think the treble voicing is alittle different. This is just a short brief description of course.

Olaf can tell you alot more about it than I can.

Thanks. Is there a cutoff year or some way to know which one you are getting?

 

[Les Zombie]

i owned all 3 amps and olaf's description was on the money, i personally liked the herbert the best followed by the einstein. i wasnt a fan of the vh4. i would take a herbert over any engl made and i owned most of them over the years. the herbert has alot of great tones and is well built.

 

[prsdiezel]

THIS IS THE VIDEO THAT SELLS ME!!!!

This is the best video I've heard also!!! This is what the Herbert sounds like standing in the room with it!!!! Killer job Brad


Also Andy Wood's new Diezel video on the there website. Check that out.

And of course this video Andy did at NAMM which made me trade my VH4S for a Herbert. thanks Andy

Hey Andy you give lessons? I'm 4 for real. A DVD would be nice. I 'd like to learn some of those hammer on arpeggios and some chickin pickin.

 

[prsdiezel]

Wow can't say much more than that. Thanks Olaf

I just traded my VH4S old model (there is a difference) for a Herbert. I'll say this the Herbert is more versatile with the mid cut.

Besides the Evil heavy sound I can get some killer plexi tones and the clean channel on the Herbert sounds better in my opinon.

Really you can't go wrong with any Diezel

What is the difference in the two? Which is better or more desireable?

The older model VH4s have more of a classic sound I would say. Less Gain on the 2nd and 3rd channels.

Newer VH4s have a more modern sound, more gain on the 2nd and 3rd channels. I think the treble voicing is alittle different. This is just a short brief description of course.

Olaf can tell you alot more about it than I can.

Thanks. Is there a cutoff year or some way to know which one you are getting?

Before 2007 is the cut off.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

anyone who ever feels the need to play both the VH4 or the Herbert thru either of the new cabs, you are more than welcome to PM me & we can make some noise. and then you can see for yourself.

 

[The Axe Palace]

I've played the Herbert live and it cut through like a knife. You just have to use plenty of mids and use a proper cabinet with it. I found the best sounds on the Herbert on channel 2 in + mode with my modded Tube Screamer in front as a clean boost.

 

[duesentrieb]

I never had a problem to cut thru with a band when I've used their cabs (or those nice Bogner cabs). I had a Diezel FL 4x12" (Überschall-configuration) and have a Diezel RL 2x12" (same configuration).

Let me add that my bandmate uses a SLO (-clone, made by me ) with also a Diezel 2x12" RL (so he's also more on the bright side).

My "old" Marshall 1960 (2 Eminence Legends and 2 G75Ts) does not like the Diezels too well though, that's why I'm using it with the more brighter Marshalls and not with the Diezels.

Peter builds the amps around his FL 4x12" w/V30s. So IMO you'd better have a good cab with at least some of those V30s inside

Just my opinion - and I really cannot speak anything about this drop down modern stuff, I'm totally unexperienced here.

 

[duesentrieb]

Besides the Evil heavy sound I can get some killer plexi tones . . .

Yeah thats true, I remember when I brought my new and fresh Herbie to the first band rehearsal, channel 2, "-" mode, gain around 60-65% and my bandmates were thinking that I've bought a new Marshall in Diezel clothes

The advantage of the VH4 here is that you can get one more sound footswitchable.

I really like those bright switches for channel 1 and 2 too.

 

[glpg80]

yeah the lead tone this guy had sounded absolutely nothing like this youtube video.

but the dark character of the amplifier that i heard live i also heard in recordings as well? hey stef, - it was in the soundclip that you sent me to listen to on that old topic.

i will say that that channel 3 video with mark sounds phenominal. if the herbert tone i heard live sounded like that i would still be shitting myself today, because that herbert tone kicks all kinds of ass

its wierd too because the guy had a diezel cabinet

who knows. maybe the instructor of music that was playing ( he teaches music professionally and spent 8 months in germany to do so from a certain school) had no fucking idea what he was doing

hey Andy nice playing video

 

[nbarts]

If you wanna go from shimmering cleans to beast metal & everything in between, there is one easy answer - Diezel Herbert.

The Einstein's voicing has a lot in common with Herbert, that said blues & rock (texas mode) are its thing, very soldano like ch1 with diezel polish. Metal tones of the Einstein ch2 are very Ubershall like. They actually can get so similar in the room that I could be tricked in a blind test. No evil metal here, nor shimmering clean at stage volumes. If you want clean & crunch sounds live, that be a hard challenge with this amp.

The VH4 sounds drastically different from the 2 above, it's dry & has somewhat like highmid marshall crunch to it & very deep low end. There is not much to say here, other than you either love the voicing of this amp or hate it, it's that different.

If you like what you hear in that video, Herbert is your friend. VH4 won't sound that juicy, although ch4 with low gain settings will get you really close. The Einstein will be very similar to that vid sound, only with a lot more low mids & a little more loose.

 

[yngzaklynch]

Herbert all the way for me.

 

[nbarts]

The Herbert doesn't cut trough live, all those guys with platinum selling albums that use it in studios & live and the touring guys that regularly gig with it don't know shit, they just can't admit they through that kind of money on this worthless peace of shit. My bandmate has this great tone with a lot of nice high end, scooped low mids, not much low end, but who needs low end in guitars anyway, it's for bass. As much as I try to get that great tone that he has with my Herbert, it just won't do it. I can't cut through!

 

[Rob Tahan]

Yea.. i have also played all three amps and own 2 of them now.
The herbert is just all around tonal extacy. I think everyone here has already touched on that subject. I like mine dialed in darker with more mids. Its simply just the most HUGE sound ever!!

The Einstein doesnt get enough credit. I had a clip on the diezel forum of a new recording our band just did to get a record deal. Its all done with the einstein. It sounds like your a rythym guy. Its tone will crush any rectifier tone out there. i love it. Im mainly using it for leads though. Its just so easy to go from a mellow timmons tone to E. Johnson, to Vai all just by using the volume control on your guitar. I love to use the volume as a gain control through this amp. Just beautiful!

 

[FixXxer]

I spent a few hours with a VH4 and a Herbert.

I liked the Herbert overall a little more. It was more forgivin and more in line wih my mesa's. They are different but I still have my Mesa.

he VH4 is killer, but not very forgiving if you fat finger a chord etc. I think this amp is best blended with another amp.

Good products, expensive and very well built.

If I hd to buy one of them I'd get the Herbie. If I had an amp I likd and could run in stereo, 'd get the Vh4.

 

[White_Van]

Be wary, the Diezel's have a very distinct sound to them, and a ton of compression.

Which, honestly, has killed the Einstein for me. The mid gain sounds are just wayyyy too compressed for my tastes, and I don't use half the gain the thing has.

Up on the chopping block goes the Einstein.

 

[Digital Jams]

Be wary, the Diezel's have a very distinct sound to them, and a ton of compression.

Which, honestly, has killed the Einstein for me. The mid gain sounds are just wayyyy too compressed for my tastes, and I don't use half the gain the thing has.

Up on the chopping block goes the Einstein.

How many years have you owned that amp?

 

[White_Van]

Be wary, the Diezel's have a very distinct sound to them, and a ton of compression.

Which, honestly, has killed the Einstein for me. The mid gain sounds are just wayyyy too compressed for my tastes, and I don't use half the gain the thing has.

Up on the chopping block goes the Einstein.

How many years have you owned that amp?

I think it's going on 3 now.

Time for a change.