Diezel Einstein 100 -vs- Herbert -vs- VH4

[nbarts]

Be wary, the Diezel's have a very distinct sound to them, and a ton of compression.

Which, honestly, has killed the Einstein for me. The mid gain sounds are just wayyyy too compressed for my tastes, and I don't use half the gain the thing has.

Up on the chopping block goes the Einstein.

Try a SLO & then 101b.

 

[White_Van]

Be wary, the Diezel's have a very distinct sound to them, and a ton of compression.

Which, honestly, has killed the Einstein for me. The mid gain sounds are just wayyyy too compressed for my tastes, and I don't use half the gain the thing has.

Up on the chopping block goes the Einstein.

Try a SLO & then 101b.

I'm going with a Fargen Miniplex II.

I've had time with both amps, and while stellar, I don't want a 100 watter. The MPII is 12 watts with powerscaling, which is more than adequate for my purposes.

 

[FourT6and2]

That first video clip sounds awesome. I've been trying to decide between a VH4 and Herbert (played both), but that definitely helps out my decision.

 

[RedB4Black]

Peter builds the amps around his FL 4x12" w/V30s. So IMO you'd better have a good cab with at least some of those V30s inside

I've always heard that to be the case. So why are the new cabs loaded with GK100s or the hemp-cones?

 

[RedB4Black]

Yeah thats true, I remember when I brought my new and fresh Herbie to the first band rehearsal, channel 2, "-" mode, gain around 60-65% and my bandmates were thinking that I've bought a new Marshall in Diezel clothes

Hopefully it wasn't one of those $45 t-shirts.

 

[glassjaw7]

The Herbert doesn't cut trough live, all those guys with platinum selling albums that use it in studios & live and the touring guys that regularly gig with it don't know shit, they just can't admit they through that kind of money on this worthless peace of shit. My bandmate has this great tone with a lot of nice high end, scooped low mids, not much low end, but who needs low end in guitars anyway, it's for bass. As much as I try to get that great tone that he has with my Herbert, it just won't do it. I can't cut through!

OK, I'm very confused by what you said here Are you being sarcastic? Or do you actually feel that Herbert doesn't cut through a live mix?
Also, calling it a worthless piece of shit? Sorry, but I don't understand your post-please explain

Nevermind.

 

[van hellion]

The Herbert doesn't cut trough live, all those guys with platinum selling albums that use it in studios & live and the touring guys that regularly gig with it don't know shit, they just can't admit they through that kind of money on this worthless peace of shit. My bandmate has this great tone with a lot of nice high end, scooped low mids, not much low end, but who needs low end in guitars anyway, it's for bass. As much as I try to get that great tone that he has with my Herbert, it just won't do it. I can't cut through!

OK, I'm very confused by what you said here Are you being sarcastic? Or do you actually feel that Herbert doesn't cut through a live mix?
Also, calling it a worthless piece of shit? Sorry, but I don't understand your post-please explain

sarcasm ol' nbarts loves it

A Wood

 

[duesentrieb]

Yeah thats true, I remember when I brought my new and fresh Herbie to the first band rehearsal, channel 2, "-" mode, gain around 60-65% and my bandmates were thinking that I've bought a new Marshall in Diezel clothes

Hopefully it wasn't one of those $45 t-shirts.

 

[mincy]

I vote for the Herbert. I had a hell of time picking between the Herbert and VH4 when I got mine, but haven't regretted it once (though I have regretted not being able to buy both). It is one mean sounding amp and it has a fantastic, liquidy lead tone on Ch 3. I bought it when I was playing almost entirely metal, but this amp is far more versatile than that. It can get some great crunch on Ch 2- and between the +/- switch and midcut, you can go from bluesy breakup to full on metal rhythms on that channel alone. It's got a fantastic clean tone and I've recently been playing with more and more effects and the effects loops are so nice, not to mention, it really takes effects well on all 3 channels. I'm not saying it's better or more versatile than either the VH4 or Einstein, but it's my favorite having played all 3.

As far as how it cuts, I've played my Herbert with 3 different bands. A doom metal band in C#, a nu-metal band in standard tuning, and a post/punk goth band, again in standard tuning and very little to no high gain used. All 3 bands were 2 guitar bands with the other amps ranging from rectifiers to ac30s. In all that time I've only had 1 problem with it not cutting it in the mix and that was squarely on the lopoline cab I ran with it. I'd been running my rig with one of my mesa cabs and it simply destroyed the mix. I decided to experiment one show and use my lopoline cab instead. I was enjoying the V30/T75 mix in my lopoline cab at home and I thought I'd give it a shot live and it failed miserably. I've never used that cab live again and never had another problem.

 

[glassjaw7]

The Herbert doesn't cut trough live, all those guys with platinum selling albums that use it in studios & live and the touring guys that regularly gig with it don't know shit, they just can't admit they through that kind of money on this worthless peace of shit. My bandmate has this great tone with a lot of nice high end, scooped low mids, not much low end, but who needs low end in guitars anyway, it's for bass. As much as I try to get that great tone that he has with my Herbert, it just won't do it. I can't cut through!

OK, I'm very confused by what you said here Are you being sarcastic? Or do you actually feel that Herbert doesn't cut through a live mix?
Also, calling it a worthless piece of shit? Sorry, but I don't understand your post-please explain

sarcasm ol' nbarts loves it

A Wood

That's what I thought until I got to the end about his bandmate's tone. I really couldn't tell at that point if he was kidding. Should've known with how much he backs the Herbie as the ultimate tone machine.

 

[Mailman1971]

If you wanna go from shimmering cleans to beast metal & everything in between, there is one easy answer - Diezel Herbert.

I like this quote the best!!

I like the ENGL Fireball 100.......but its VERY COMPRESSED and makes everything sound metal.
Which isnt BAAAAAAAAAD......
but I like the tone that I hear from that Herbert.


Ok....who wants to trade me their Herbert for my Modded JCM 800 and ENGL Fireball 100??

 

[nbarts]

chances are that ch3 Herbert is more compressed than your fireball, still it's musical.

 

[nbarts]

Yeah thats true, I remember when I brought my new and fresh Herbie to the first band rehearsal, channel 2, "-" mode, gain around 60-65% and my bandmates were thinking that I've bought a new Marshall in Diezel clothes

Hopefully it wasn't one of those $45 t-shirts.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

Sarcasm is just one of the many services we provide here!! If the Herbert didnt cut i woulda solid it 5 some years ago...it cuts like a champion shanker!!!

 

[nbarts]

yeah the lead tone this guy had sounded absolutely nothing like this youtube video.

That lead tone is the easiest one to dial in with a Herbert. All you need is a good quality delay in the parallel loop & a guitar with high output pickups.

 

[Mailman1971]

If you wanna go from shimmering cleans to beast metal & everything in between, there is one easy answer - Diezel Herbert.

Ok....who wants to trade me their Herbert for my Modded JCM 800 and ENGL Fireball 100??

ONCE AGAIN..............

 

[glpg80]

yeah the lead tone this guy had sounded absolutely nothing like this youtube video.

That lead tone is the easiest one to dial in with a Herbert. All you need is a good quality delay in the parallel loop & a guitar with high output pickups.

yeah go figure. he was playing a PRS***

 

[glpg80]

FWIW i do use the diezel amplifier setting on my modeling amplifier for practice

i love the tone in that video, but i hate that much compression. thats why i love gained SLO's and marshalls. they both cut like a knife and dont have that compressed tone like everything is squished together.

compressed is easier to play, but thats why fingernals grow back and fingers will stop bleeding for a while. dig in with a marshall IMHO

 

[nbarts]

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When you get to amps of this ballpark it's a matter of preference. In my book Diezels are more versatile, hell, ch2- Herbert doesn't sound compressed to me at all! I could go on for hours how much this channel can do alone.

 

[mincy]

When you get to amps of this ballpark it's a matter of preference. In my book Diezels are more versatile, hell, ch2- Herbert doesn't sound compressed to me at all! I could go on for hours how much this channel can do alone.

I agree. Ch 2- doesn't sound compressed at all. It really sounds very marshally, though much fuller, especially when cranked with the gain between noon and 1. It's a righteous sound, to be sure. It's turning out to be my favorite and I'm using it quite a bit more than I used to.

Now, Ch 2+ or Ch 3, yeah, there's quite a bit of compression going on, but as stated, it's still very musical sounding. May not be everyone's thing, but I love it.