Easier Guitarists that Sound Great

[DrewJD82]

All anyone wants to buy guitars and learn guitar for is to copy some other guitarist and it while it's totally normal, at a certain point it makes my eye twitch

Funnily, I built my Gilmour Strat specifically to play Gilmour shit with, but once I started playing it I was drawn to entirely differently and tones than Gilmour’s and realized I was starting to etch out my own thing within that Strat space, which I’d never felt I was coming close to with humbuckers and high gain amps. The more I post-92 metal tones now, the more they start blending in together unless it’s someone like Dime or Cantrell.

This is actually been the point of my focus lately, where I’m going next with my music and playing. I’m playing more than I have in over 20 years and I have the eagerness to play like I did when I was 15 again and it’s not metal fueling me anymore. This is why I got into lessons with Techdeth, I knew the only way forward for me was to learn WTF I was doing theory wise so I can dictate a bit more than stumble upon.

 

[DrewJD82]

I can figure out almost any rock/metal/shred solo by ear, and have been able to do so for many years. It developed from years of jamming and studying entire albums and some tab, although today, kids get unlimited free pro level guitar lessons and learn famous solos step by step long before they have any idea what a fucking SONG is or how to even get into the mindset of thinking about writing a song or having their own style.

There are WAY more newbs/preteens/teens/squids today who can copy someone else's riffs or solos perfectly today in mommy's basement than ever because of youtube. And they don't even know how to create a signal chain, they just buy modeling crap and zoom the menus for an EXACT COPY of the other guitarist's tone!

But so what?

Mindless parrots.

And as soon as anyone on this site has mastered all of the '80s guitarists in the OP, which means nailing the FEEL and authority of those guitarists, and writing great songs with some of that style, let's hear it. They are more impressive musicians to me than most any current YT wonders....

So…..you learned how to play cover songs like the kids these days do, but THEY’RE the mindless parrots because they learned how to play cover songs as well? Or they’re only mindless parrots because they learned via Youtube? Or are they mindless because they can load up a preset on a plugin they spent $100 on, rather than saving up for the physical gear and trying to recreate the tones of their heroes, like 99.9% of new guitarists do?

And does Youtube just blast the ability to play into their hands? Like Youtube and modelers removed the need for anyone to practice, they just watch a video and have the physical capability right away?

But then the kicker comes at the end, where you request members of RigTalk become mindless parrots of music that was popular 40 years ago as if the only way to prove themselves worthy is to parrot your preferred genre of music.

Why the fuck would I want to parrot guitarists I’m not even interested in, or write music that was popular when I was born? How does that make anyone original?

 

[CarlF]

So…..you learned how to play cover songs like the kids these days do, but THEY’RE the mindless parrots because they learned how to play cover songs as well? Or they’re only mindless parrots because they learned via Youtube? Or are they mindless because they can load up a preset on a plugin they spent $100 on, rather than saving up for the physical gear and trying to recreate the tones of their heroes, like 99.9% of new guitarists do?

And does Youtube just blast the ability to play into their hands? Like Youtube and modelers removed the need for anyone to practice, they just watch a video and have the physical capability right away?

But then the kicker comes at the end, where you request members of RigTalk become mindless parrots of music that was popular 40 years ago as if the only way to prove themselves worthy is to parrot your preferred genre of music.

Why the fuck would I want to parrot guitarists I’m not even interested in, or write music that was popular when I was born? How does that make anyone original?

I’d expect that kind of comment from somebody that’s chasing Phillip Sayce tones.

Today’s generation is interested in nothing but being a parrot, and showing their parrot skills on YouTube.
They can’t write any music worth a shit, most of them aren’t even in bands, or even know what it’s like to be in a band and to play with other musicians.
And 99% of them don’t have a style that they can call their own.

 

[DrewJD82]

I’d expect that kind of comment from somebody that’s chasing Phillip Sayce tones.

Today’s generation is interested in nothing but being a parrot, and showing their parrot skills on YouTube.
They can’t write any music worth a shit, most of them aren’t even in bands, or even know what it’s like to be in a band and to play with other musicians.
And 99% of them don’t have a style that they can call their own.

Do you find yourself talking to the youth of today often to actually know these things, or is this just a blanket “I assume to know these things because this is the feeling I get when I watch Youtube videos and don’t like what I see?”

There’s a fuckton of guys on this forum who have been playing for years I don’t hear jack shit from, there’s millions of dollars of gear on this forum, where’s all the original tones and crazy good music? Why shit on the younger generation that won’t ever once attempt to write music for you, when you’ve got ample peers all around you who would be the ones writing music closer to your liking who can get the blame for not stepping up?

Are YOU in a band? Where’s your music that’s worth a shit? Do you have a style you can call your own? How is it the younger generations responsibility to satisfy these things for you, if you have not satisfied them for yourself?

 

[Findthetone1]

Do you find yourself talking to the youth of today often to actually know these things, or is this just a blanket “I assume to know these things because this is the feeling I get when I watch Youtube videos and don’t like what I see?”

There’s a fuckton of guys on this forum who have been playing for years I don’t hear jack shit from, there’s millions of dollars of gear on this forum, where’s all the original tones and crazy good music? Why shit on the younger generation that won’t ever once attempt to write music for you, when you’ve got ample peers all around you who would be the ones writing music closer to your liking who can get the blame for not stepping up?

Are YOU in a band? Where’s your music that’s worth a shit? Do you have a style you can call your own? How is it the younger generations responsibility to satisfy these things for you, if you have not satisfied them for yourself?

You should try on some thicker skin and drop the smugness if you want to survive the internet. After all, you are an "influencer", yes?

 

[DanTravis62]

Do you find yourself talking to the youth of today often to actually know these things, or is this just a blanket “I assume to know these things because this is the feeling I get when I watch Youtube videos and don’t like what I see?”

There’s a fuckton of guys on this forum who have been playing for years I don’t hear jack shit from, there’s millions of dollars of gear on this forum, where’s all the original tones and crazy good music? Why shit on the younger generation that won’t ever once attempt to write music for you, when you’ve got ample peers all around you who would be the ones writing music closer to your liking who can get the blame for not stepping up?

Are YOU in a band? Where’s your music that’s worth a shit? Do you have a style you can call your own? How is it the younger generations responsibility to satisfy these things for you, if you have not satisfied them for yourself?

I play shows with the "youth of today" (as you put it) every weekend, where I talk to some of the only youth playing in original bands. Because I play in original bands.

They all realize that this is a problem with peers at their age.

I complain about it with (older) people on the forum too - especially the guys with millions of dollars of gear.

I'm in multiple original bands, which I post all the time. With a fairly distinctive style of my own. And I have satisfied all of your arbitrary requirements, which means I'm allowed to shit on the younger generation for not satisfying them.

 

[Findthetone1]

I play shows with the "youth of today" (as you put it) every weekend, where I talk to some of the only youth playing in original bands. Because I play in original bands.

They all realize that this is a problem with peers at their age.

I complain about it with (older) people on the forum too - especially the guys with millions of dollars of gear.

I'm in multiple original bands, which I post all the time. With a fairly distinctive style of my own. And I have satisfied all of your arbitrary requirements, which means I'm allowed to shit on the younger generation for not satisfying them.

I understand a lot of us sound like "get off my lawn" old men when today's youth and music comes up but the fact of the matter is, they NEVER had to listen to a song a thousand times by picking up the needle or rewinding a cassette to learn something. The NEVER had to sit and wait for the latest issue of Guitar World or Guitar Player to come for the tab and interviews. And for the most part, they sure as hell don't know about load ins at 4- 5PM, playing 3 1 hour sets, sometimes to empty bars in the middle of winter, and then loading out until 3-4 AM. Sitting in band rooms for hours writing originals and the consequent fights from disagreements. Singers quitting the day you go into the studio to cut demos because the drummer was fucking his wife. That's this shit that builds character and creates memorable music. I'm not saying my shit made me famous, but there were times at gigs people were singing it. That's good enough for me at this point. There are some very talented young musicians out there right now. It gives me a good feeling. And they have there own different struggles to face. But to have some smug internet douchebag spout off because we have those opinions shows the very problem the internet itself has created.
Rant over.

 

[CarlF]

Do you find yourself talking to the youth of today often to actually know these things, or is this just a blanket “I assume to know these things because this is the feeling I get when I watch Youtube videos and don’t like what I see?”

There’s a fuckton of guys on this forum who have been playing for years I don’t hear jack shit from, there’s millions of dollars of gear on this forum, where’s all the original tones and crazy good music? Why shit on the younger generation that won’t ever once attempt to write music for you, when you’ve got ample peers all around you who would be the ones writing music closer to your liking who can get the blame for not stepping up?

Are YOU in a band? Where’s your music that’s worth a shit? Do you have a style you can call your own? How is it the younger generations responsibility to satisfy these things for you, if you have not satisfied them for yourself?

Oh, this fucking guy is high comedy at his best

Am I in a band, are you fucking kidding me?
How about I’ve been in bands since 1971, son?

I’ll ignore the rest of your nonsense, because it’s all bullshit. Let some others of your generation tell you to shove it.

 

[DrewJD82]

You should try on some thicker skin and drop the smugness if you want to survive the internet. After all, you are an "influencer", yes?

That’s fuckin’ news to me!

Where’s my free shit?!?!

 

[DrewJD82]

Absolutely nothing new for RigTalk, “We just want to talk shit, O’DOYLE RULES!!!”

I’m sure all of you are playing the exact kind of music your dad’s wanted you to play and your whole lives you’ve been hoping to write music that dudes from 2 generations behind you will want to listen to, in the same way you’re expecting the kids today to come up with shit that impresses you.

 

[Findthetone1]

Absolutely nothing new for RigTalk, “We just want to talk shit, O’DOYLE RULES!!!”

I’m sure all of you are playing the exact kind of music your dad’s wanted you to play and your whole lives you’ve been hoping to write music that dudes from 2 generations behind you will want to listen to, in the same way you’re expecting the kids today to come up with shit that impresses you.

You sound triggered. Need a hug?

 

[DrewJD82]

You sound triggered. Need a hug?

How is that shit not old by now?

The only thing I see triggered are dudes that are angry at people half their age for not writing music they deem acceptable. I simply think it’s fucking stupid, but I’m not angry over it.

 

[Findthetone1]

How is that shit not old by now?

The only thing I see triggered are dudes that are angry at people half their age for not writing music they deem acceptable. I simply think it’s fucking stupid, but I’m not angry over it.

Free will dude. You could've easily just commented that there are some new musicians that create music that you like and moved on. Instead, you hopped up on your soap box and proceeded to chastise those that commented that they don't like it in that smug, superior manner that you do. Even questioning peoples experience with playing and writing. You know, kind of like that whole "your opinion doesn't mean shit if you've never posted a video" mantra that you abide by.

 

[the rossness]

Do any if these float your boat?

The Living End


Deraps


Goose


Ben Cote


Euge Valovirta

 

[the rossness]

Bella Perron


Luis Kalil


Blood Shift


Audrey Horne


Sumerlands

 

[nightlight]

I not good enough to play Nirvana and Slayer solos, so I decided that I'd do away with solos entirely. Instead, I like to write good bridges to take their place, with the intent of moving the song forward and upward.

 

[MistaGuitah]

I would suggest work more on writing your own music and developing your own style.

ESPECIALLY writing your own solos.

You can start out with improvising to come up with ideas, but i mean actually writing guitar solos

This is a huge problem with guitar players in general nowadays, everyone is so obsessed with other musicians that they never spend any time turning themselves into the type of musician someone would want to emulate

You must have missed my previous thread regarding writing my own music. I'm the last guy you want to accuse of trying to copy someone else's style. LOL. I've spent the past 5 years in the Woodshop working on my chops. I have my own unique style that I developed as a self-taught guitarist, and no one who has ever heard my solos would think I sound like another player.

The problem, as discussed in my other thread, is that I have been focused on nothing but my technique and musical ability for several years now. In fact, I was a huge gear whore on this forum for years prior, but I haven't bought any gear or done anything other than practice and learn for several years since. I sunk into an abyss of listening only to alien-level guitarists because I aspired to become one. I got lost in trying to become a great technical player that I could play better than ever but at the same time lost the ability to even play with feeling over backing tracks.

It was actually the helpful suggestions of people on this forum who inspired me to get back to simply enjoying music. That's why I started this thread because I need to get back to appreciating good music and songwriting again. I'm starting to really love Tom Petty's songwriting lately. Now I want to find some less phenomenal guitarists I can listen to so it won't always be Joe Stump, John Petrucci, Vinnie Moore, Tom Quayle, Kiko Loureiro, Rick Graham, and all the other impeccable players all the time.

If I was out to copy someone's playing, I certainly wouldn't be downgrading to lesser players. LOL. No, I've never wanted to sound like anyone else, nor would anyone who has heard me play think that. I play a vert broad variety of solos. I can't even play a cover song all the way through any more because all I do is learn solos note-for-note and some of the main riffs of songs. That's because I have no interest whatsoever in sounding like anyone. Ultimately, I just want to write music that I will listen to. That's why I picked up a guitar in the first place. All I ever wanted was to make the kind of music I love so I can enjoy it, not to sell albums or anything.

Anyway, if you read my other thread and have some helpful suggestions on helping make the connections I need to progress to real songwriting then by all means, I would love to hear your suggestions. Like I explained in my other thread, I have respectable enough technique, and know enough theory, I'm just having trouble actually actually using it to compose instrumental guitar music.

 

[napalmdeath]

Mikael Akerfeldt. He gets looked over because Fredrik does the shredding. Michael is a tasteful player, and is really a less is more kinda player.

Ace Frehley
Tommy Shaw
Nugent
Gary Moore

 

[angelspade]

John Christ
Dave Navarro
James Hetfield
Ed Mundell
Josh Homme
Tim Sult

solid list

 

[Sick Michael]

i was going to say Richie Sambora. Always got great tone. The only saving grace of Bon Jovi.

A lot of these "easier" guys are actually not easier IMO. They have their own feel which is nearly impossible to replicate. The Instagram effect has created this delusion that just because its not hyper speed and fretboard picasso, that its easy.