Educate me on wet/dry setup and what it will do to my tone

[CaseyCor]

Haha, very cool man. Have fun with the new rig!

 

[Jimmie]

How many of us have or are going through W/D/W withdrawl? I brought a single RM100 and cab downstairs, (too cold to play out in the unheated studio, and the dry tone is killing me.

 

[guitarslinger]

It sounds cool, and it's fun to try in your basement a few times, but I don't like wasting 2 cabs and a power amp for just my delay repeats.

I LIKE effects.

I like to hear my effects through ALL of the speakers.

WDW is pretty pointless, IMO, and I normally enjoy REALLY stupid, ridiculous stuff, gearwise .

 

[Zachman]

It sounds cool, and it's fun to try in your basement a few times, but I don't like wasting 2 cabs and a power amp for just my delay repeats.

I LIKE effects.

I like to hear my effects through ALL of the speakers.

WDW is pretty pointless, IMO, and I normally enjoy REALLY stupid, ridiculous stuff, gearwise .

Oh stop it...

 

[guitarslinger]

Oh stop it...

You're not WDW(separate power amp and cabs), are you??

I thought you just used a bunch of series/parallel mixing, and blended it into a Marshall Head's loop.

 

[Zachman]

Oh stop it...

You're not WDW(separate power amp and cabs), are you??

I thought you just used a bunch of series/parallel mixing, and blended it into a Marshall Head's loop.

Fuck that... Boss GT6, or MXR distortion+ direct to the PA, and uses the monitor wedges for my sound.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Ooh do want that cae switcher now damn you!

I have been running wet dry lately though differently than most while waiting to buy a third cabinet.

I am using an rjm y not to split the guitar and send it to two different amps. One with effects and one dry. This way I also double up on the harmonics created by using two amp and have a more complex tone. Less to mic also in a live setting, many local venues would laugh at three channels for a single guitar.

Most people try to use a post power amp signal from an iso box to maintain the tone being created by the amp. As most tube power amps color the sound id say only a full frequency solid state power amp or a full range atomic power block amp are the only power amps that truly fit the bill. I think they actually fall short of the final intended result.

In the end ill take it even further though in not sure how yet. I'll either add a third amp and cabinet having two wet amp and one dry. I might get two of the atomic power blocks and iso boxes and run two more cabs for dry /wet /dry/ wet as left and right pairs. Maybe go to full excess and use four amp heads that way with two 4x12's top two speakers in each the dry from two of the amps and the bottoms the two wet amps left and right.

The possibilities are endless.

LOL-- there's no turning back now.

Next thing you know, you'll be using one of these:

"Version 1" style, which allows selection of up to 4 Tube amplifiers, and connects the amps to a common load speaker cabinet. Unused amps are protected, and of course, only one amp is allowed active at a time. Line Level output (rear panel) is also available (with Level Control) to allow for a "wet/dry" effects setup. A rear panel tuner output is also provided, and is active even when no amps are selected. All amp sends are transformer isolated to prevent ground loop hum. This unit is midi controlled (via Program Change Commands) and comes with a dedicated 4 switch Midi Foot Controller, and 20ft 4 pin xlr connection cable! As a bonus, the amp selector (via the footswitch) outputs the same program change commands to control effects processors, if necessary. This is unit is part of the Custom Series, and is hand built to order by Bob Bradshaw, and is available direct from CAE only!

Features Include

* Safely and silently switch up to 4 amplifiers into the same cabinet or load device!
* Unique priority circuit only allows 1 amp on at a time!
* Protection circuitry safely guards unselected amps.
* Front panel LED's indicate status of each amp.
* Super low noise buffer circuit provides impedance matching and drives isolation transformers used to eliminate ground loop hum.
* Remote controlled via midi program changes from the included footswitch.
* Remote power supply for lowest noise.
* 2 auxiliary line outputs. Useful for driving effects and external power amps with the selected amp.
* Sonically transparent passive switching elements provide unsurpassed clarity while uniquely switching up to four amplifiers (one at a time) into a common speaker system or load device.
* Easily allows for the popular system configuration of a center dry cabinet with stereo effects cabinets (a stereo power amp and effects would be required). See diagram.
* Provides a line out signal for the selected amp regardless type. No need to modify amps for line outs and effects loops. Even non-master volume amps work fine!!
* Eliminates the need for multiple speaker cabinets and/or load devices when using multiple amps.

 

[Jimmie]

It sounds cool, and it's fun to try in your basement a few times, but I don't like wasting 2 cabs and a power amp for just my delay repeats.

I LIKE effects.

I like to hear my effects through ALL of the speakers.

WDW is pretty pointless, IMO, and I normally enjoy REALLY stupid, ridiculous stuff, gearwise .

Guess thats what makes the world go round. I've found that what works for me, works for me. People can ridicule me about my choices, but I likes what I likes.

 

[Zachman]

It sounds cool, and it's fun to try in your basement a few times, but I don't like wasting 2 cabs and a power amp for just my delay repeats.

I LIKE effects.

I like to hear my effects through ALL of the speakers.

WDW is pretty pointless, IMO, and I normally enjoy REALLY stupid, ridiculous stuff, gearwise .

Guess thats what makes the world go round. I've found that what works for me, works for me. People can ridicule me about my choices, but I likes what I likes.

Me too

"...we reject as false, their definition of what our ideals, preferences and standards should be..."
- Zach Petersen

 

[Zachman]

Sorry about that... They are SO cool though

Egnater used to make one w/ the same features. Skrydstrup R&D are the only other company on the market who currently makes one, with the same features .

Ooh do want that cae switcher now damn you!

I have been running wet dry lately though differently than most while waiting to buy a third cabinet.

I am using an rjm y not to split the guitar and send it to two different amps. One with effects and one dry. This way I also double up on the harmonics created by using two amp and have a more complex tone. Less to mic also in a live setting, many local venues would laugh at three channels for a single guitar.

Most people try to use a post power amp signal from an iso box to maintain the tone being created by the amp. As most tube power amps color the sound id say only a full frequency solid state power amp or a full range atomic power block amp are the only power amps that truly fit the bill. I think they actually fall short of the final intended result.

In the end ill take it even further though in not sure how yet. I'll either add a third amp and cabinet having two wet amp and one dry. I might get two of the atomic power blocks and iso boxes and run two more cabs for dry /wet /dry/ wet as left and right pairs. Maybe go to full excess and use four amp heads that way with two 4x12's top two speakers in each the dry from two of the amps and the bottoms the two wet amps left and right.

The possibilities are endless.

LOL-- there's no turning back now.

Next thing you know, you'll be using one of these:

"Version 1" style, which allows selection of up to 4 Tube amplifiers, and connects the amps to a common load speaker cabinet. Unused amps are protected, and of course, only one amp is allowed active at a time. Line Level output (rear panel) is also available (with Level Control) to allow for a "wet/dry" effects setup. A rear panel tuner output is also provided, and is active even when no amps are selected. All amp sends are transformer isolated to prevent ground loop hum. This unit is midi controlled (via Program Change Commands) and comes with a dedicated 4 switch Midi Foot Controller, and 20ft 4 pin xlr connection cable! As a bonus, the amp selector (via the footswitch) outputs the same program change commands to control effects processors, if necessary. This is unit is part of the Custom Series, and is hand built to order by Bob Bradshaw, and is available direct from CAE only!

Features Include

* Safely and silently switch up to 4 amplifiers into the same cabinet or load device!
* Unique priority circuit only allows 1 amp on at a time!
* Protection circuitry safely guards unselected amps.
* Front panel LED's indicate status of each amp.
* Super low noise buffer circuit provides impedance matching and drives isolation transformers used to eliminate ground loop hum.
* Remote controlled via midi program changes from the included footswitch.
* Remote power supply for lowest noise.
* 2 auxiliary line outputs. Useful for driving effects and external power amps with the selected amp.
* Sonically transparent passive switching elements provide unsurpassed clarity while uniquely switching up to four amplifiers (one at a time) into a common speaker system or load device.
* Easily allows for the popular system configuration of a center dry cabinet with stereo effects cabinets (a stereo power amp and effects would be required). See diagram.
* Provides a line out signal for the selected amp regardless type. No need to modify amps for line outs and effects loops. Even non-master volume amps work fine!!
* Eliminates the need for multiple speaker cabinets and/or load devices when using multiple amps.

 

[Lord Toneking]

Hey guys, I have a question...

I'm dialing things in and my volume is all over the place. I'm having a hard time adjusting the dry to the wet and my GMajor and my power amp are wanting to clip when it is sounding it's best.

Should I run my GMajor's output at 100% and back off the input? And as far as my ISO box Im having a hard time adjusting it to the GMajor and the power amp. They all give me separate volumes and it's just messing with my head trying to get it "just right"

Also, I just picked up a volume pedal but need to buy a couple cables and make a snake to go to my midi board but when do that is it only going to volume down the 'dry' side? I'm hoping it will drop volume on both cabs equally. How do I achieve that?

Thanks!

 

[Jimmie]

Hey guys, I have a question...

I'm dialing things in and my volume is all over the place. I'm having a hard time adjusting the dry to the wet and my GMajor and my power amp are wanting to clip when it is sounding it's best.

Should I run my GMajor's output at 100% and back off the input? And as far as my ISO box Im having a hard time adjusting it to the GMajor and the power amp. They all give me separate volumes and it's just messing with my head trying to get it "just right"

Also, I just picked up a volume pedal but need to buy a couple cables and make a snake to go to my midi board but when do that is it only going to volume down the 'dry' side? I'm hoping it will drop volume on both cabs equally. How do I achieve that?

Thanks!

On your first question, I found that I was driving too much line level signal into the Gmajor through the FX loop, I backed off the preamp volume on the module and push the master volume on the ART SLA2 harder and no more clipping, but I have that option with the Randall RM100, not certain what you're running and if you can adjust how much signal gets into your loop or not.

 

[CaseyCor]

I've got a quick question here. I'm looking for a switcher just like the CAA one above, for switching on/off 3 amps, but I need to be able to combine the amps so I can play them at the same time. I would only play 2 of the amps at the same time. I want the front facing volume controls just like the CAA, so I can set the volumes for each amp at the switcher after setting the master volumes on the amps to the proper settings for my desired tone.

Would this be something I'd have to custom order from Bradshaw?

 

[Zachman]

I've got a quick question here. I'm looking for a switcher just like the CAA one above, for switching on/off 3 amps, but I need to be able to combine the amps so I can play them at the same time. I would only play 2 of the amps at the same time. I want the front facing volume controls just like the CAA, so I can set the volumes for each amp at the switcher after setting the master volumes on the amps to the proper settings for my desired tone.

Would this be something I'd have to custom order from Bradshaw?

Yes... Mesa Boogie used to make an amp switcher that let you combine up to 4 heads, BUT it was mainly for combining preamps. There was no load level signal. The CAE switcher makes it so each amp is going through the same "Dry" cabinet, so you can't combine amps. Try sending Bob an email.

The only other guy who currently makes a switcher of that caliber is Steen Skrydstrup, of Skrydstrup R&D in Europe. His is also like Bob's though, in that the amps are utilized one at a time, through the same cabinet.

http://www.skrydstrup.com/as44.htm

Zach

 

[Zachman]

Hey guys, I have a question...

I'm dialing things in and my volume is all over the place. I'm having a hard time adjusting the dry to the wet and my GMajor and my power amp are wanting to clip when it is sounding it's best.

Should I run my GMajor's output at 100% and back off the input? And as far as my ISO box Im having a hard time adjusting it to the GMajor and the power amp. They all give me separate volumes and it's just messing with my head trying to get it "just right"

Also, I just picked up a volume pedal but need to buy a couple cables and make a snake to go to my midi board but when do that is it only going to volume down the 'dry' side? I'm hoping it will drop volume on both cabs equally. How do I achieve that?

Thanks!

Aloha brutha LTK,

If you're using your amp's FX send to drive the "Wet" side of the rig, your levels will vary according to how loud you're playing your amp-- and yes, it can be quite a pain. If you have a Line out box, use that to drive your Wet rig. If not and you have an adjustable Line out on your amp, you may use that too-- to drive the wet part of the rig, though it may only be the preamp signal, not the combined preamp & power amp signal that a line out box will provide. IF you have a Hotplate, you can use the line out from that to drive the Wet rig.

Ideally your input and outputs should be around 12 o'clock/unity gain. The G-Major is set from the factory with it's I/O's set to pro level, and you may want to switch it to consumer level, so your input signal is showing nicely without the knob being maxed or anywhere close to maxed out.

EDIT: First set your amp "Dry" level to how loud you want it to be.

Next: Make SURE you're set to consumer mode on the G-Major
Next: Watch the input level meter on the G-Major, as you set the line level from your Line Out Box. The Input knob on the G-Major should be set around 12 o'clock. feel free to adjust as needed, but you shouldn't be anywhere near maxing it.

Next: Set your power amp levels to an appropriate level, with your Dry amp volume.

RE: The volume pedal-- if you plug it into your amp's series FX loop, it'll control the volume like a "Master Volume" control for everything.

Call me if you need to.

Zach