EL34 users, ever find yourself buried?

[maddnotez]

I did also just get the 33 pedal which may do the trick.

I'm thinking the same thing, but if not have you tried a 10 band eq or parametric eq in the loop?

Yeah, I had the MXR 10 band but sold it. For whatever reason I just didn't like it. The amp sounded better without the EQ which is pretty odd considering everything other amp sounds better WITH the EQ.

However I was not using it with getting buried in mind so maybe I should get the new S or a para eq.

 

[CrazyNutz]

I think you're going to have to get that presence up, the uberschall has a lot of negative feedback. Getting the presence knob up will open up the power amp some. Just change your EQ settings if it gets too bright.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

EL34's cut better than any other tubes.

What cab do you have? Where is your presence set? Is he just overly cranked?

This +1000

More likely eq settings and or amp itself.

 

[Ventura]

6550 EHX power tubes.
C9 in all preamp slots.
LPS in the PI if you want.
Presence up.
V30s in cab.
Less gain.

You'll cut just fine. The key here is presence on the amp. And if you're mic'ing, try off axis mid way between dust cap centre and edge of driver, use a back shield to protect it from band/stage bleed if needed.

I've got experience with Rev.2s bot in studio and on stage. Just ask.

 

[Ventura]

Note: More gain = less cut. Rule of Thumb.

 

[braintheory]

Note: More gain = less cut. Rule of Thumb.

Yes, I was gonna ask how high are you running the gain on your amps? That can make a big difference in cutting through

 

[maddnotez]

Note: More gain = less cut. Rule of Thumb.

Yes, I was gonna ask how high are you running the gain on your amps? That can make a big difference in cutting through

12:00 usually. 1:00 at the most.

I just got the ISP Vector and have been running my gain at 10:00-11:00 with that.

 

[Metal1977]

It's the amp! The Rev 2 Uberschall sounds and feels incredible but it's not the most cutting amp in a 2 guitars band, especially against a Peavey 6505. Reinhold made some change to the Rev Blue by request to solve that problem.

I play my Rev 2 Uber at home and bring the Dual Rectifier Rev D when i play with the band for that reason.

 

[Ventura]

If ya wanna get funky, throw a 5751 into V2 and it'll lower the gain while opening up the headroom.
Less compression, more teeth.
Depending on the SPL/volume I'm dealing with, I've never moved my gain past 11 o'clock, ever, when jamming or gigging. Less is more.
Hope this helps

 

[just42dave]

presence

 

[napalmdeath]

Plug in a Laney GH100L or VH100R with EL34's, and tell me it gets buried. I'll never believe it! That amp will rip your face off!

 

[Zachalou]

Plug in a Laney GH100L or VH100R with EL34's, and tell me it gets buried. I'll never believe it! That amp will rip your face off!

YES!
GH100L is one of the best amps I have ever owned, cuts beautifully and is just excellent sounding.
I also am in the camp that EL34 cut very well

 

[skoora]

Power amp tubes have a subtle effect on the overall sound of a high gain amp. The preamp design will have much more impact on how it cuts or sits in the mix. Power sections for high gain amps are usually designed to be high headroom or less prone to introduce breakup than old school 2 gain stage designs. Of course though, as others have said, you probably want to introduce some presence back in the mix. Fender tweeds that use 6v6's and 6L6's cut like any good Marshall. It's all in the design of the circuit. Now this is a general rule and there's always an amp that will be different. I will say my MK V responds quite differently between 34's and 6L6's but it's such a swiss army knife of an amp there's a lot of changes going on in the preamp from one setting to another.

I agree with others, in that an amp usually needs to bet set to where it's too bright or cutting on it's own to blend right with a band. More so in recordings than live.

 

[maddnotez]

Power amp tubes have a subtle effect on the overall sound of a high gain amp. The preamp design will have much more impact on how it cuts or sits in the mix. Power sections for high gain amps are usually designed to be high headroom or less prone to introduce breakup than old school 2 gain stage designs. Of course though, as others have said, you probably want to introduce some presence back in the mix. Fender tweeds that use 6v6's and 6L6's cut like any good Marshall. It's all in the design of the circuit. Now this is a general rule and there's always an amp that will be different. I will say my MK V responds quite differently between 34's and 6L6's but it's such a swiss army knife of an amp there's a lot of changes going on in the preamp from one setting to another.

I agree with others, in that an amp usually needs to bet set to where it's too bright or cutting on it's own to blend right with a band. More so in recordings than live.

I've got all 9th Gen China except V1 has some old Raytheon black plate because I liked it better. I can't test again until next week but I'll take everything into consideration.

 

[maddnotez]

I might try a pickup swap too. The Miracle Man is super hot and low in the mids.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

It's the amp! The Rev 2 Uberschall sounds and feels incredible but it's not the most cutting amp in a 2 guitars band, especially against a Peavey 6505. Reinhold made some change to the Rev Blue by request to solve that problem.

I play my Rev 2 Uber at home and bring the Dual Rectifier Rev D when i play with the band for that reason.

You are correct sir!

The Rev 2 (aka version 2.0 Uber) is one of the most easy to bury amps in a mix. It just flat out doesn't cut. Period. End of discussion. Good luck with futility if you wish to continue on in insanity. This is why there is a Blue version and a Twin Jet version... both of which cut way better and were revised specifically to address this issue. The Rev 2.0 is like the version 1.0 Engl Powerball... it sounds awesome in your room at low volume... but try to eq it to work with a band or a loud recording... and say good bye cut and definition.

 

[Ventura]

I might try a pickup swap too. The Miracle Man is super hot and low in the mids.

I've got MMs and a host of other BKPs in a host of other guitars.
I found the higher the output, the more compressed the end result.
The more compressed the end result, the more buried in the mix you become.

Less gain, plunk a 5751 into V2, load a matched quad of EHX6550 into it, and run it at 32-34mA per tube. The EHX have a lot of headroom without going spongy. The 5751 removes the immediate clipping (compression) from the tonestack and offers you more "gain" headroom, for lack of a better explanation. Outside of this, moderate output pups are fine - let the AMP do the AMPLIFYING....not the pups

Lower the gain, bring up the presence, lower the bass, bring up the mids. Work with the treble. Crank the MV, and use your channel volume to control the output. This will allow the power tubes to open up and breathe, and will let the preamp stay calm with the cleaner input from the guitar.

It works. Just takes patience.
I've got some clips I can put up for you of this exact set up - 5751, 6550EHX, UberKap, SM57, and I think moderate pups (might be C57s, or Emeralds....can't remember will have to look at my notes). But regardless - it was a couple weeks of getting the amp "to cut". Seriously. I worked on it man...hard.

 

[Badronald]

No

 

[maddnotez]

I might try a pickup swap too. The Miracle Man is super hot and low in the mids.

I've got MMs and a host of other BKPs in a host of other guitars.
I found the higher the output, the more compressed the end result.
The more compressed the end result, the more buried in the mix you become.

Less gain, plunk a 5751 into V2, load a matched quad of EHX6550 into it, and run it at 32-34mA per tube. The EHX have a lot of headroom without going spongy. The 5751 removes the immediate clipping (compression) from the tonestack and offers you more "gain" headroom, for lack of a better explanation. Outside of this, moderate output pups are fine - let the AMP do the AMPLIFYING....not the pups

Lower the gain, bring up the presence, lower the bass, bring up the mids. Work with the treble. Crank the MV, and use your channel volume to control the output. This will allow the power tubes to open up and breathe, and will let the preamp stay calm with the cleaner input from the guitar.

It works. Just takes patience.
I've got some clips I can put up for you of this exact set up - 5751, 6550EHX, UberKap, SM57, and I think moderate pups (might be C57s, or Emeralds....can't remember will have to look at my notes). But regardless - it was a couple weeks of getting the amp "to cut". Seriously. I worked on it man...hard.

I sent an email to MCP to see what he may have. Otherwise I may try to trade for a Juggernaut

 

[stephen sawall]

Just turn up the midrange on your amp till you can hear yourself.

Basically that is exactly what is going to happen if you change gear.

That or change the EQ for everyone in the band.