Fractal Audio Axe-fx +, -, ? and now Kemper KPA has arrived.

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jcj":18cs5vuk said:
Avenyr":18cs5vuk said:
That's the man!

Although I don't know what happened for him to lose his moderator status. I haven't been monitoring the Fractal Forum for quite a while.
My understanding is that he is a valuable asset to the development of certain aspects of Fractal Product as an outside collaborator. I could be wrong though.

The man is obviously not an idiot given his credentials. That at least cannot be denied. I know Jay likes to contribute to the community and he should. His experience and knowledge are very impressive. The only flaw is his delivery. He could be a total class act with a different attitude. It puzzles me why he needs to be so rude and condescending. He just seems to rub everyone off the wrong way. Instead of being appreciated for what he can provide, people are hating on him instead.

I don't hate the guy, I just have a problem with how he behaves online hidden behind his computer screen.
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Yeah, he definitely seems to know what he's talking about, but I've seen more gracious delivery in a prison rape.

The guy definitely comes off like an arrogant cocksucker, and I think they're probably better off without any more arrogance on that board.
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I agree. He'll probably still post in the same abrasive way though. The only thing that changed is that people will be able to tell him to fuck off in his face. Just expect the mods to take his side when things get ugly... so basically I guess it'll be the same overall.
 
I guess he had it coming. After pissing off so many people over time and causing them to leave the forum like he must have done himself now. It's like a taste of his own medicine.
 
I "think" the what happened with Jay was a thread where someone was posting how they felt the Axe II destroyed the Ultra.

Then Jay chimed in about how subtle the differences where. Then Cliff chimed in saying Jay plays primarily clean Jazz and would not hear the differences, then Jay chimed back that no he played a lot more then just Clean jazz (yada yada....)

I didn't see what happened after that as the thread was deleted.

FWIW Jay delivery is exactly how pretty much all of you described but in the content of his posts I often found very useful information. Cliff's posts typically had the same tone.

I have worked in engineering for a lot of years and can tell you this personality trait is not uncommon in Engineers. Not defending it just saying what it is.

Regardless, I can't wait to get the II. I have my doubts that sound wise it will blow away the Standard/Ultra. I just don't think there was a whole lot of room for improvement. But maybe I am wrong.

But the new features with the re-amping and the usb interface and everything else more then make it worth the upgrade.

And say what you want about Fractal's online personality, you know you are going to get the best product (IMO) in the business at what it does with continual free updates with new amps and features all the time.

I am pumped!
 
It used to be a great place, visited it multiple times daily, helped where i could. Then something happend, not sure but it seemed every question or observation turned into an argument.

One day I played an Uberschall at the local GC, and then went home trying to replicate the sound to no avail.. not even close. I stated this on the board how it didnt really sound anything like a real one, just stating the fact. I was bashed to the point of bloody, Cliff even stated that i was questioning his morality or some crap... in the end, cliff stated he never had a real one, just did the model off schematics.... so he re-evaluated the model, bought a real one, and in the next firmware.... an updated uber that sounds great now.

There was a time when suggestions and comments were not bashed, but welcomed, and it helped shape the axe into what it is... I really hope it gets back to that, it felt like you were a part of something great.

dave
 
dpeterson":eb5j0t5y said:
It used to be a great place, visited it multiple times daily, helped where i could. Then something happend, not sure but it seemed every question or observation turned into an argument.

One day I played an Uberschall at the local GC, and then went home trying to replicate the sound to no avail.. not even close. I stated this on the board how it didnt really sound anything like a real one, just stating the fact. I was bashed to the point of bloody, Cliff even stated that i was questioning his morality or some crap... in the end, cliff stated he never had a real one, just did the model off schematics.... so he re-evaluated the model, bought a real one, and in the next firmware.... an updated uber that sounds great now.

There was a time when suggestions and comments were not bashed, but welcomed, and it helped shape the axe into what it is... I really hope it gets back to that, it felt like you were a part of something great.

dave
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Very well said. And much thanks for your help and free advice on the FAS forum. You are one of the senior members helped me and others learning this guitar computer.

Respect
 
I loved my Ultra and thought it sounded great through my poweramp and cabs. I know the II will sound equally as good. I could never be happy with the direct sound though. I thought something was wrong with it because so many guys made it sound great direct. I sent an email to Fractal simply asking them to describe the process by which I could send my Ultra to them, at my cost, to give it a check up and confirm it was OK. The response was, almost verbatim: "There is likely nothing wrong with it. Some people just can't get used to the direct sound". I read the note and said out loud: "Oh fuck you dicks." I was so put off. So if you can't get real help on the forum, and you can't get it from Fractal's official channels, how the fuck can you get it? There's never anything wrong with the Axe!!

Last night I played a JVM210 and a 6505+ at GC. I haven't had that much fun playing the guitar in a long time. And in the room, the Axe never quite gave you that same feel. But still, I loved it and would love to have a II. They're amazing pieces of gear that don't quite fit in one category. That's why I never cared if it could totally cop a MarkIV or a Shiva or whatever. It still sounded great. But I have problems handing them my money now.
 
dpeterson":o4tlwxg4 said:
It used to be a great place, visited it multiple times daily, helped where i could. Then something happend, not sure but it seemed every question or observation turned into an argument.

One day I played an Uberschall at the local GC, and then went home trying to replicate the sound to no avail.. not even close. I stated this on the board how it didnt really sound anything like a real one, just stating the fact. I was bashed to the point of bloody, Cliff even stated that i was questioning his morality or some crap... in the end, cliff stated he never had a real one, just did the model off schematics.... so he re-evaluated the model, bought a real one, and in the next firmware.... an updated uber that sounds great now.

There was a time when suggestions and comments were not bashed, but welcomed, and it helped shape the axe into what it is... I really hope it gets back to that, it felt like you were a part of something great.

dave
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That stinks that you were bashed, but it was cool that Cliff remodeled the Uber after getting the real amp.
 
ripper117":3fwqrpf8 said:
I "think" the what happened with Jay was a thread where someone was posting how they felt the Axe II destroyed the Ultra.

Then Jay chimed in about how subtle the differences where. Then Cliff chimed in saying Jay plays primarily clean Jazz and would not hear the differences, then Jay chimed back that no he played a lot more then just Clean jazz (yada yada....)

I didn't see what happened after that as the thread was deleted.

FWIW Jay delivery is exactly how pretty much all of you described but in the content of his posts I often found very useful information. Cliff's posts typically had the same tone.

I have worked in engineering for a lot of years and can tell you this personality trait is not uncommon in Engineers. Not defending it just saying what it is.

Regardless, I can't wait to get the II. I have my doubts that sound wise it will blow away the Standard/Ultra. I just don't think there was a whole lot of room for improvement. But maybe I am wrong.

But the new features with the re-amping and the usb interface and everything else more then make it worth the upgrade.

And say what you want about Fractal's online personality, you know you are going to get the best product (IMO) in the business at what it does with continual free updates with new amps and features all the time.

I am pumped!
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There was another thread after that to do with cab IR's. Jay and Kevin from Ownhammer were *ahem* discussing and Cliff also joined in. Not sure how the thread turned out as I left reading half way through but it was gone shortly after. Soon after noticed Jay's mod status. I suppose the question is did he jump or was he pushed?
 
Lightninboy":2monxvbu said:
There was another thread after that to do with cab IR's. Jay and Kevin from Ownhammer were *ahem* discussing and Cliff also joined in. Not sure how the thread turned out as I left reading half way through but it was gone shortly after. Soon after noticed Jay's mod status. I suppose the question is did he jump or was he pushed?
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That is the same thread I am talking about.

One of Cliff's retorts started something like this

"and you would be wrong again"

it had a graph to show Jay what he was missing. I had this vision of Jay reading Cliff's post.

 
Ah, I missed that. It was late over here when that started so left it just as Cliff jumped in. At least we got the phase aligned IR's from Ownhammer to show for it! lol

PMSL laughing at the vid

although that could well be Tom King looking at whats happened to the FAS forum!!
 
Speaking of Tom King, he has been very quiet. Is he still part of the big picture or the silent partner now?
 
He posted that him and his wife were expecting their 1st(??) child so he was staying close to home, although I'd have thought that he would have more time for the forum if that were the case. I know my wife wouldn't want me under foot all the time but hey ho, different strokes and all that.
 
ripper117":2mkh5ytm said:
I "think" the what happened with Jay was a thread where someone was posting how they felt the Axe II destroyed the Ultra.

Then Jay chimed in about how subtle the differences where. Then Cliff chimed in saying Jay plays primarily clean Jazz and would not hear the differences, then Jay chimed back that no he played a lot more then just Clean jazz (yada yada....)
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I am somewhat saddened to have missed this.
 
Rogue":1l9v7esv said:
ripper117":1l9v7esv said:
I "think" the what happened with Jay was a thread where someone was posting how they felt the Axe II destroyed the Ultra.

Then Jay chimed in about how subtle the differences where. Then Cliff chimed in saying Jay plays primarily clean Jazz and would not hear the differences, then Jay chimed back that no he played a lot more then just Clean jazz (yada yada....)
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I am somewhat saddened to have missed this.
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LMAO!!!! Im not sure that I could find the interest with help from the Hubble telescope
 
Rogue":2wtliip7 said:
ripper117":2wtliip7 said:
I "think" the what happened with Jay was a thread where someone was posting how they felt the Axe II destroyed the Ultra.

Then Jay chimed in about how subtle the differences where. Then Cliff chimed in saying Jay plays primarily clean Jazz and would not hear the differences, then Jay chimed back that no he played a lot more then just Clean jazz (yada yada....)
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I am somewhat saddened to have missed this.
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That thread is still there...
http://forum.fractalaudio.com/reviews/3 ... tra-3.html
 
i used to have the same problem with jay everyone did

but i've had very positive conversations with him as well, and the guy is an engineer with a very scientific approach so terms like "mojo" or gooey aren't part of his world, and if you make a claim you better know how to scientifically protect it. i read his white paper on speakers and crossovers and love him or hate him he knows what he is taking about in that realm.
which is why the whole IR redwirez evolution frustrated him, because he claimed up and down that his IRs were all you needed and the new stuff wasn't any different. but proof meet pudding.

and that said he's probably not the best pick as a moderator because he really has a hard time being corrected. he's the engineer guy who says "this is the correct method to do what you are trying to accomplish" and fails to accept that the other "dumb" illogical way may SOUND better overall. i see it in sound and video al the time.
 
back to axe II

i stayed on fender most of the time--tried a vox and dumble and marsha model as well---but the fender gave me clean honest truth about how the unit operates and feels--they had output 1 on a pair of atomic wedges, and output 2 on a pair of 4x12s/power amp so that comparison was also very interesting

the wedges seemed to favor being able to drop the volume down lower and the 4x12s brought the chunk
man did the marsha sounds great even at low volume, but it figures as the guy who builds them is under the same roof!
the fender clean was nice, especially as i started adding the effects to it--- but it made me miss the effects most of all.

also got to use the footcontroller and that thing is COOL
 
Pity for Jay but better for the forum. I hope the pissing will be less now.

Tom King must have been quit busy not only making babies, seeing the new 50/50 tube amp. It is only a bit odd their was no countdown for this amp on the FAS forum and you can only buy it at G66 and (I think) Tone Merchants. No mentioning at Fractal of any kind. Or maybe cliff was not impressed bolting two MB-50's together and found it not worth mentioning. But at least it sould be for sale at their website?
 
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