Getting tired of searching for a high gain head. Need halp.

[Starman22]

Butterslax

Does not have a clean channel . but man, what an incredible amp!

 

[GJgo]

I have a Mk III blue stripe. I have a JP2C. I have a Tremoverb. I have not played most of the other boutique amps mentioned, but, if you want something to balance & compliment the MKIII I highly recommend looking at a Tremoverb head. All Rectos need a boost for high gain (where the Marks don't), but that thing sounds like the butter of the gods. Best damn Recto they made. It's going to compliment the Mark amp, not compete with it. I should do a Mark vs Tremoverb comparo vid that gets the cleans & gains. The JP cleans are shimmery & immaculate (IMO better than the III), but the Tremoverb cleans make me want to stay in that channel all day. FWIW I have done a MKIII / JP2C metal tone comparo vid. https://youtu.be/5t339KHoOt4

 

[xzacx]

I think the SLO and Herbert are very complimentary amps, but neither is an alternative for the other. The Herbert can do the highest gains and cleanest cleans, where the SLO can do everything in between. That's not to say you can't get some really nice mid-gain sounds in the first and second channels of the Herbert and your volume knob, I just prefer the tone of the SLO for those. And that's not to say the SLO can't do clean or super high gain, just not AS clean and AS high gain. For my tastes, these are the perfect two amps to have together to cover any possible tone I'd ever want.

 

[supersonic]

Soldano X99 or X88 preamps.

 

[jdel77]

Brilliant explanation. Thanks!

Diezel Herbert. Done.

I'll listen to your demos again mate.
Prefer it to the SLO?

different, completely different.

The SLO is an american muscle car
the Herbert is a 911 Turbo Porsche

they're both fast, but one is really good in a straight line (SLO)
and the other can handle a mountain set of twisties (AMG)

I love love love the SLO, it has some magical driver feedback, like REAL tactile response built into it. You play and you are connected directly to a surge of electric energy thats not like anything else. Its urgent and fantastic. For the record I run the clean channel on the crunch setting and roll the gain on that channel down, its clean enough with an edge of breakup thats still very pleasing and adds a little compression which is also springy and fun to play. Modding the loop for pedals is simple and any competent tech can do it in 22 minutes.

The Herbert is the most polished yet brutal amp, Its clean channel is superb and clean chimes and has piano like sustain. The middle channel is pure rock/metal crunch and the lead channel is total liquid lead heaven, but you can always run the gain super low on the third channel to get something mid gain and different than the second. It has two immaculate loops, midi control, 180 watts, you can use 3 different pairs of tubes..fuck the list goes on with the Herbert. BUT its compressed and sounds like a finished album vs the SLO which is RAW and dirty!!!

 

[Rick Lee]

5153 Stealth with a 12AU7 in V1 to make green cyrstal clean. Still plenty of gain on tap for blue and red channels. Great loop too.

 

[sleewell2]

fuchs viper/mantis

 

[moltenmetalburn]

VH4, herbert wont be forward enough in the mids for you based on your comments.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Herbert or Fireball 100 if you want an ultra pissed off high gain tone with lots of saturation. Both are really tight clean boosted.

Or if you want plug straight in wicked tight, ultra fast responding, in your face aggressive upper mids punch with an awesome crunchy gain structure: Savage 120.

 

[cardinal]

VH4, herbert wont be forward enough in the mids for you based on your comments.

My thought as well.

Try one of the newer Recto-types (multiwatt, Roadster, etc) with the nicer loops. Might do what you want.

 

[spguitar]

VH4, herbert wont be forward enough in the mids for you based on your comments.

Wut?

 

[moltenmetalburn]

VH4, herbert wont be forward enough in the mids for you based on your comments.

Wut?

Herbert had much more subdued upper mids and highs comparatively to Vh4, Einsten and Fokker. Hagen is also has subdued high/high mids.

As he is looking for that marshall cut and kerrang in those frequencies herbert is not the best choice of the Diezel line for his needs.

That is what. If that video is supposed to show midrange cut , it actually doesnt and seems to bolster my opinion.

To me the BEST thing about Diezels are that they DONT have the piercing treble and sharpness. Many ewuate that with the marshall grind and are unhappy or dissapointed and then slam the diezel as a "worse" sounding amp.

 

[RJF]

I agree that the Herbert is probably not the best choice here, and that is coming from someone that the Herbert is my personal fav. VH4 MIGHT work.

I actually say Framus Dragon.

 

[cardinal]

VH4, herbert wont be forward enough in the mids for you based on your comments.

Wut?

OP thought the Friedman sounded too "mastered." All Diezels have that same thing, to my ear. Not that Diezel's sound bad (I think they're awesome), but based on what the OP said, he may want something else.

 

[LunatiBSW]

Butterslax

Does not have a clean channel . but man, what an incredible amp!

I can get good cleans out of
Mine, but yeah it's easy to get hair, but you don't HAVE TO

 

[ProgFree]

VH4, herbert wont be forward enough in the mids for you based on your comments.

Wut?

OP thought the Friedman sounded too "mastered." All Diezels have that same thing, to my ear. Not that Diezel's sound bad (I think they're awesome), but based on what the OP said, he may want something else.

Depends on the Diezel. The VH4 and the Einstein have a raw character to their sound, and forward mids. The thing is that most of the metalheads scoop a lot the mids and the amps sound more "mastered" that way.

My recommendations for the op would be: Diezel VH4 or Einstein, Engl special edition or Framus Dragon.

 

[born_hard]

check out the Soldano HR25. It doesnt have a sparkling clean channel but a a killer mid gain crunch and a killer lead sound.
Now listen, the crunch channel has a very wide Range of Gain, the Gain goes from light Overdrive to a Hot Rod JCM800 Gain level, so thats a big Plus. In the Overdrive Channel you get that punchy saturated SLO drive which is the basis for 5150 or Recto or other modern High Gain amps. It is not overly Ultra Modern like a Bass heavy Diezel, nor is it a JCM800. It sits in between, enough crunch in the mids to cut through, enough Gain (more than enough) and the best thing is that you can tailor this Channel to more modern/tighter bass with a Booster/EQ/Overdrive pedal. Vice Versa its not possible. You cant tame a Diezel for slower bass response and for smaller punch.
The HR25 has the right mix between preamp and power amp gain stages when you dont play stadiums. Its loop is also after tone stack, so for me its the more practical SLO.
And! Believe it or not, its almost not possible to find an Amp with a crystal clear clean, a killer mid gain crunch and a killer lead sound.

 

[bog70]

Check out the Landry amps

 

[garey77]

...Believe it or not, its almost not possible to find an Amp with a crystal clear clean, a killer mid gain crunch and a killer lead sound.

Diezel Herbert
Bogner xTC
h&K Tr-amp
Be-100

Come to mind...

Um, also Pittbull Ultralead

 

[thiswaythatway]

VH4, herbert wont be forward enough in the mids for you based on your comments.

Wut?

I think this video proves his point.