rsm
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The Blazing Saddle
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watson503
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rsm
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NoHassle
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"Britain Has Officially Criminalized Journalism"
The Terrorism Act 2000 has a series of provisions that make it difficult to voice or show any kind of support for an organisation proscribed under the legislation, whether it is writing an article or wearing a T-shirt.Recent attention has focused on Section 13, which is being used to hound thousands of mostly elderly people who have held signs saying: “I oppose genocide, I support Palestine Action.” They now face a terrorism conviction and up to six months in jail.
But an amendment introduced in 2019 to Section 12 of the act has been largely overlooked, even though it is even more repressive. It makes it a terrorism offence for a person to express “an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation” and in doing so be “reckless” about whether anyone else might be “encouraged to support” the organisation.
It is hard to believe this clause was not inserted specifically to target the watchdog professions: journalists, human rights groups and lawyers. They now face up to 14 years in jail for contravening this provision.
When it was introduced, six years ago, Section 12 made it impossible to write or speak in ways that might encourage support for groups whose central aim was using violence against people to achieve their aims.
The law effectively required journalists and others to adopt a blanket condemnatory approach to proscribed militant groups. That had its own drawbacks. It made it difficult, and possibly a terrorist offence, to discuss or analyse these organisations and their goals in relation to international law, which, for example, allows armed resistance — violence — against an occupying army.
But these problems have grown exponentially since the Conservatives proscribed Hamas’ political wing in 2021 and the government of Keir Starmer proscribed Palestine Action in 2025, the first time in British history a direction-action group targeting property had been declared a terrorist group.
Legal Minefield
Now journalists, human rights activists and lawyers face a legal minefield every time they try to talk about the Gaza genocide, the trials of people accused of belonging to Palestine Action, or the hunger strikes of those on remand over attacks on weapons factories supplying killer drones to Israel.
Why? Because saying truthful things about any of these matters — if they could lead a reader or listener to take a more favourable view of Palestine Action or the political wing of Hamas — are now a terrorist offence. Any journalist, human rights activist or lawyer making factual observations risks 14 years behind bars.
Few seem to have understood quite what impact this is having on public coverage of these major issues.
A month and a half into the hunger strike by eight members of Palestine Action — the point at which people are likely to start dying — the BBC News at Ten finally broke its silence on the matter. That was despite the hunger strike being the largest in U.K. history in nearly half a century.
There are clear political reasons why the BBC had avoided this topic for so long. It prefers not to deal with matters that directly confront the legitimacy of the government, which funds it. The BBC is effectively the British state broadcaster.
Floyd Eye
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Not a comment on the ridiculous law ( in England, who’d have thunk it ) but it does seem like someone is making the case that the political wing of Hamas isn’t still a terrorist organization.
NoHassle
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Isn't hummus good for you?
I've met Mexican cartel guys by the plenty, I've met mafia guys by the plenty, I've met politicians by the plenty, I've met prison inmates by the plenty, I've met corporate bullies by the plenty, I've met Zulus by the plenty and I know of their reasoning and works firsthand.
I've never met a hummus nor have I met somebody who actually knows one. That means I only know one side of the story (aka: narrative) if that means anything to you.
The Blazing Saddle
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Floyd Eye
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Dude, if you don’t think Hamas ( and almost all Islamist organizations frankly) are bent on world domination through violence, terror, propaganda and any means necessary there’s really no point in you and I discussing Islam at all. If you think all these fuckers mass emigrate to western countries “ for a better life” you’re insane.Isn't hummus good for you?
I've met Mexican cartel guys by the plenty, I've met mafia guys by the plenty, I've met politicians by the plenty, I've met prison inmates by the plenty, I've met corporate bullies by the plenty, I've met Zulus by the plenty and I know of their reasoning and works firsthand.
I've never met a hummus nor have I met somebody who actually knows one. That means I only know one side of the story (aka: narrative) if that means anything to you.
As for Hamas specifically there is zero doubt they are fucking terrorists. And differentiating between their political wing and their militant wing makes about as much sense as differentiating between Hitler and the SS.
NoHassle
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You tell me not to watch YTers etc and now I'm supposed to believe blindly what you say?
Also, when Hamas are here on our soil that's another story. On their soil again, that's another story and it's their story in their lands. Just like our story on our land.
Immigration? When western countries hand our freebies and given them a special passage what the fuck do you want them to do? It isn't the Islamics it's us stupid fuckheads wanting and allowing them to come. Do you see it or refuse to?
Let's clean up a country we actually do own and control and only then worry what is 'about to' land on our shores. The rest of it is not our concern just like how we run our country is of no concern to others. Because the way we've been doing things offshore for well over a 100yrs has produced nothing but chaos, hatred and division and for me, that's a fail any way you look at it.
Floyd Eye
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Yeah it’s our fault, but pretending like CAIR and allegedly moderate Muslims don’t see it and exploit it doesn’t mean it’s not true. And it doesn’t mean your grand children won’t be subjugated by goat fuckers.
As to cleaning up our own country, let’s hear your big plan.
As to cleaning up our own country, let’s hear your big plan.
NoHassle
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Just a friendly reminder of things that we can't clean up in our country and yet, you believe we should get involved in other countries and tell them what to do.
Rigged Elections across the board
Full Political Legal System (biased all day every day)
Sisters marrying brothers
George Soros interference with no repercussions
Treason all day every day by Senators and Congressmen
Insider Trading is no problem
Immigration laws not held up by states
States physically opposing the Feds on open streets
Political Lobbyists (open bribery)
Light sentences or no sentences for serious crimes
BLM, Antifa allowed to act with full immunity. No jail time for any of them.
Mortgage Fraud by AGs and others and allowed to do so with full immunity
Adam Schiff not behind bars
Biden not behind bars
Clinton not behind bars
We place transgenders in the highest positions of office
You can't make this shit up.
We can't control anything here and again, you think we have a right to get involved in other countries and tell them what and how to do it.
You've got a brain...be reasonable with it.
Floyd Eye
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You keep purposely missing the big picture. I don’t think you’re stupid.
NoHassle
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I can assure you it's always the very big picture that I'm addressing.
People are people at their inner most core and it's the flawed layers on top that we have to deal with.
Tangible facts and actions = the truth and the truth is the north star and anything else is simply a lie in play perpetuated by those who are either ignorant or in on it.
Floyd Eye
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Quit being so obtuse. Just because the facts you worry about and the facts I worry about aren’t the same, that’s no reason to get all philosophical and start talking about north stars and shit.
Let me put it plain. Fuck Palestine. They deserve every bit of what Israel gives them and then some. Fuck importing Syrians, Gazans, Iranians, Somalis and Lebanese people into the US and fuck the people that make it happen. As long as those mother fuckers can be engaged there and not here I’m happy. You can gnash your teeth about Israel all you want brother, but looking at the totality of government corruption it’s not shit. And it’s the least of the fucked up shit our government does that I’m gonna worry about. As always YMMV. That’s a far fucking cry from me being ignorant or complicit, not that I really give a fuck if you think that. Because I don’t.
Let me put it plain. Fuck Palestine. They deserve every bit of what Israel gives them and then some. Fuck importing Syrians, Gazans, Iranians, Somalis and Lebanese people into the US and fuck the people that make it happen. As long as those mother fuckers can be engaged there and not here I’m happy. You can gnash your teeth about Israel all you want brother, but looking at the totality of government corruption it’s not shit. And it’s the least of the fucked up shit our government does that I’m gonna worry about. As always YMMV. That’s a far fucking cry from me being ignorant or complicit, not that I really give a fuck if you think that. Because I don’t.
NoHassle
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And how YOU see it, as above, is your right. How I see it is my right which again, is "YMMV" as you said.
I can't change anything here OR there but at least I'm aware with some understanding on how to navigate it should it be in my face or in my way.
The world is fucked and has always been fucked. Cycle after cycle after cycle of it, again, at least I have some understanding to choose what I do and who not to trust.
I travel far and wide, I don't get too close to the locals and go about being anonymous because nobody pays me any attention which is perfect. Having some money in my pocket keeps me out of harm's way and allows me to move on from shit when I've had enough. To me, this is living in today's world as easy as it can be given the circumstances. No, I don't dwell on any of it because I can move on when I want to.
Floyd Eye
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I trust no one. Me. That’s it.
