Guitarists you just don't understand

[romanianreaper]

But metal never did die....IMO it was an evolution(meaning growth and advancement) over time and still going strong. It's not going anywhere. IMO, none of the earlier indicators of what a market is matters like it used to with the advent of piracy and how people get their music now compared to the old days.

Yeah, I totally agree with you. When I say it "died", I guess I mean the market, accessibility to the videos, music, etc. Like we lose Headbanger's Ball because some station doesn't think people listen anymore. I actually got into Slipknot because of the changing landscape. I listened to Korn, Static-X and some other bands, but as an 80's hard rock guy I was missing some of the familiarity of metal, etc. When Slipknot came out with the intensity and "don't give a crap" attitude, I was onboard.

A lot of times I think it is about searching for the metal. It is almost like digging thru albums in a store like the good ol' days. Trying to find a diamond in the rough. I do think the evolution is healthy. Things come back around. A band like Powertrip is directly influenced from the early 80s thrash stuff. It is good to hear.

 

[311boogieman]

I definitely did not understand people like Jim Root, and Wes Borland, and 'Head', and the like at first. Then I let my guard down and opened up a bit and ahh shit - watch out.

 

[romanianreaper]

Jeff Beck - I can appreciate the guy and his talent but again, don't feel a connection with his stuff.

I had to bump my own post to give you guys a good laugh.

So you see what I wrote about Jeff Beck above. Of course for my birthday, one of my best friends gets me Jeff Beck's "Blow by Blow" album.

So long story short, I guess I'll be seeing if I like Jeff Beck....LOL

 

[Monkey Man]

Blow by Blow is freakin' epic, man.

Hope you like it.

 

[grooveHT]

Blow by Blow is freakin' epic, man.

Hope you like it.

You know, it's funny, Blow by Blow and Wired are the latest two Jeff Beck albums that I really got, although some of the later ones have moments for me. Blow by Blow and Wired were killer, to me.

 

[Monkey Man]

Same here man; those two are by far my faves and I don't even listen to any others.

I call 'em classics.

 

[romanianreaper]

Blow by Blow is freakin' epic, man.

Hope you like it.

Oh yeah, good stuff!! I think I finally get it!

 

[311boogieman]

Blow by Blow and Wired are his two best albums IMO. And they are old. He was way ahead of his time. Seen him live a few times too. I can get why people don't understand him though. I'd rather listen to him then Edit: never mind.

 

[Monkey Man]

Blow by Blow is freakin' epic, man.

Hope you like it.

Oh yeah, good stuff!! I think I finally get it!

Awesome, man!

 

[155]

Bulb , yeah dudes a horrible player , Yngwie is a piece of shit too , lifeless wankery

 

[Zado]

Am i missing out by not following Bulb?

Well you are missing the prototype of 2000's guitar heroes: gear whore, loads of endorsements, loads of time on forums and/or youtube, mediocre player.

 

[legend71]

Roy Buchanon - boring and overrated to me

Ronnie LeTikro - more hype than chops

Phil Collen - Seemed like he always wanted to be a shredder but never really went beyond 70s blues style. Always trying to play faster than he can

Vernon Reid - Could write tunes and probably is knowledgeable but lacked feel for me in a rock context. And I had to learn Cult of Personality recently. That solo is epic garbage.

Frank Zappa - on guitar he was more of a noise maker and I thought many of his records were terrible weird filler albums. I do like some of his stuff though.

At the end of the day, it is songs that make players and how they fit into them. A great player fits the songs and the style of the band somehow or at least provides a good foil to the music if that is needed. Much of jazz or instrumental music is created to be a facility for showing off chops or blowing over changes and that does not resonate with the a large segment of the population that listens to music. I still love guys like Paul Gilbert and Eric Johnson too but there music is best when the songs are best.

The other thing to mention is, the longer a guy's career is, the more likely it is for people to get sick of them. Guys that died young like Randy Rhoads are heroes yet they never got old to our ears because they only did a few records etc. Whereas a guy like Zakk Wylde gets boring because we have heard his bag of tricks and his songs for 30 years now. i think it is good when guys evolve or at least try to change a bit. For many guys it is "back to the blues" and that sometimes is not good either though.

 

[thegame]

Myself. Been playing an embarassing number of years and my playing doesn't show it.

 

[romanianreaper]

For many guys it is "back to the blues" and that sometimes is not good either though.

Oh man, don't even get me started on that. I'm starting to think that people are either born with a blues gene or they are not, regardless of what they normally play. For example, Mick Mars from Motley Crue. Guy has feel and have no doubt he could do blues. He loves that type of music anyway. Yngwie on the other hand....never will happen.

 

[marvcus]

I definitely did not understand people like Jim Root, and Wes Borland, and 'Head', and the like at first. Then I let my guard down and opened up a bit and ahh shit - watch out.

I’m an EVH, Satch, guitar hero era guy and when I first heard Limp Bizkit I scoffed, just like everything else crappy in the late 90s. Then I started dating this chick who was into them and she played their CD in the car. They grew on me and I developed an appreciation for Borland’s playing. Then I heard Boiler. He absolutely could not have written a better part in that song. I still listen to that song and I give him a lot of credit for his excellent work on that track.

I would argue he is a more modern day guitar hero (post millennium) he is one of those guys that has his own tone and style which can’t easily be duplicated.

 

[flatheads_4ever]

Can't stand Jimi Hendrix, Santana, Joe Bonamassa, Kirk Hammet and Malmsteen

There is seriously something wrong with anyone that can't stand Hendrix in my book!

...but we are all different, I guess.


Ed

 

[Monkey Man]

Myself. Been playing an embarassing number of years and my playing doesn't show it.

Same here, mate.

It's an epic failure for me.

Roy Buchanon - boring and overrated to me

Ronnie LeTikro - more hype than chops

Phil Collen - Seemed like he always wanted to be a shredder but never really went beyond 70s blues style. Always trying to play faster than he can

Vernon Reid - Could write tunes and probably is knowledgeable but lacked feel for me in a rock context. And I had to learn Cult of Personality recently. That solo is epic garbage.

Frank Zappa - on guitar he was more of a noise maker and I thought many of his records were terrible weird filler albums. I do like some of his stuff though.

At the end of the day, it is songs that make players and how they fit into them. A great player fits the songs and the style of the band somehow or at least provides a good foil to the music if that is needed. Much of jazz or instrumental music is created to be a facility for showing off chops or blowing over changes and that does not resonate with the a large segment of the population that listens to music. I still love guys like Paul Gilbert and Eric Johnson too but there music is best when the songs are best.

The other thing to mention is, the longer a guy's career is, the more likely it is for people to get sick of them. Guys that died young like Randy Rhoads are heroes yet they never got old to our ears because they only did a few records etc. Whereas a guy like Zakk Wylde gets boring because we have heard his bag of tricks and his songs for 30 years now. i think it is good when guys evolve or at least try to change a bit. For many guys it is "back to the blues" and that sometimes is not good either though.

Superbly-said, mate. Couldn't agree more.

 

[glpg80]

The majority of trolls on this forum.

 

[Monkey Man]

The majority of trolls on this forum.

Those who are guitarists.

 

[DrewJD82]

Santana is really the only guy out there I don’t get. Always sounds like he’s meandering around until he eventually falls back on that one repetitive, 16th note triplet thing he does in every song. I haven’t listened to much of his older work and have mainly heard his radio tunes from the 90’s and after and then stuff I have heard from the 60’s/70’s didn’t do anything for me.

Not a huge Lynch fan but I suppose I can see why others dig him. I was really hoping for a killer album with that KMX project (I think that’s what it was called) but didn’t dig a single tune.

Really, I can see why people dig pretty much everyone else listed, or not dig.

Buckethead’s Coma album is fucking fantastic, I’d recommend that one to anyone who hasn’t dug his stuff. He’s more of a novelty player for me and while I’m not the biggest fan, he’s great to watch live.

Bulb doesn’t come across as a guitar player that can sit there and play by himself and keep something going that’ll keep me really interested. I’m not to keen with the djent stuff, however, there’s a couple tunes on the last Periphery record I really dug. “Reptile” and “Garden In The Bones”. If the singer didn’t do the whine-y, emo thing I’d probably dig more of their tunes. Guy has a great range and is definitely a great vocalist, I just don’t dig all his vocal tones.