I finally found out what the pot behind van halen VH1 does (it wasn't a master at all)

[Amp_chaser]

to me the brighter of the two tracks just sound like a celestion miced with a 57 on axis on the dust cap more than a JBL,
but it could also be a JBL just heavily eq’ed to not be as bright as it would normally sound close miced and raw…which is very bright!

if you go to JJ Blair’s insta to find the original post he goes through all of the isolated instrument tracks and there is quite a bit of gtr bleed on the drum mics, which may contribute to the sound and may have captured some of the JBL in the room vibe…

the other thing i noticed is that the echo printed on the solo track didn’t sound much like an echoplex to me. sounded more like:

Eddie Van Halen used the Roland DC-20 echo on several tracks, notably including "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love," "Runnin' With the Devil," and "Jump."

bottom line is the tracks here imo point out the raw tone was very consistent with what i know to be a cranked/attenuated plexi, with the help of a variac and maybe a boss eq pedal and echoplex preamp out front. the magic was Donn Landee mix and the Sunset Sound chamber.

see that chainsaw sound on the main chord of RWTD i have a schaffer and ep3 and an mxq blue 10 band eq. even with those pedals i can't get that sound with any of my guitars with evh related humbuckers and the stock super lead with ed's supposed specs fat cap 50k mid pot etc.

However with the main mod associated with the voltacontrol i can get it. Most recordings with super leads don't have that chainsaw sound. I know we can argue for ages but for the me the raw iso track does not sound like a stock marshall. It's unfortunate i can't make an ir of my modded amp and share it.

That big amp says Sound City on it.

perhaps but it is not a model you can find for sale, it seems completely custom and the size of it : that’s huge. That bigger than a svt …

Here is a new record of my mods it sound almost spot on threw an iphone :



This a brighter version with less mud :


However it fails hard at other vh songs except vh1. I swapped for a guitar with a 78 model at the beginning after the first riffs.

There is a cap controling the amount of drive however it has to be balanced or it gets a little bit muddy right here it’s still a bit too much i think i’ll have to order other values.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

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[Amp_chaser]

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Just listen my best tracks and compare it to a stock plexi without any pedals and no eq or any kind of boosting then decide.the modded amp sounds like that out of the box. It just need the power section mods and finding the right clipping circuit and where it was done and it will be finished. By the way the pics of ed’s turret board helped me a lot to figure out what was perhaps going on.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Just listen my best tracks and compare it to a stock plexi without any pedals and no eq or any kind of boosting then decide.the modded amp sounds like that out of the box. It just need the power section mods and finding the right clipping circuit and where it was done and it will be finished. By the way the pics of ed’s turret board helped me a lot to figure out what was perhaps going on.

Um... It was just a goofy joke.
You did just personify the meme though.

 

[Lightning]

Amp Chaser what pickup are you using ??

 

[Amp_chaser]

Amp Chaser what pickup are you using ??

Again ibanez super 70’s the others fail at running with the devil this one is always spot on with that amp. If i remember well you had a copy and not an original one ? Get a genuine one.

The 78 models works well with everything that is tremolo based. However i don’t think it was the tremolo guitar humbucker. I need to buy a frankie classic amd swap the magnet.

 

[Rackman]

Quite a few people have said that Landee used Pultecs among other things so they probably were used.

I'm sure he did - a high percentage of productions use Pultecs.

I feel like this would all be less mysterious if people spent a bit more time recording guitars. There's enough room mic info on the Van Halen albums to know that primary guitar tracks are HEAVILY processed. Which is pretty standard. Take a hyped to hell mic like an SM57, whatever the pres in that custom console were (API I think, which are very colored), a Pultec, an 1176 compressor, tape artifacts, Sunset Sound chamber 1, plus the whole 2-bus/mastering chain and what went in the mic and what came out the speakers are only conceptually related.

 

[SoooRad]

see that chainsaw sound on the main chord of RWTD i have a schaffer and ep3 and an mxq blue 10 band eq. even with those pedals i can't get that sound with any of my guitars with evh related humbuckers and the stock super lead with ed's supposed specs fat cap 50k mid pot etc.

However with the main mod associated with the voltacontrol i can get it. Most recordings with super leads don't have that chainsaw sound. I know we can argue for ages but for the me the raw iso track does not sound like a stock marshall. It's unfortunate i can't make an ir of my modded amp and share it.

perhaps but it is not a model you can find for sale, it seems completely custom and the size of it : that’s huge. That bigger than a svt …

Here is a new record of my mods it sound almost spot on threw an iphone :



There is a cap controling the amount of drive however it has to be balanced or it gets a little bit muddy right here it’s still a bit too much i think i’ll have to order other values.

Just for fun, I put in headphones from two different feeds, VH in my left ear, your track in the right. Your side comparatively speaking is fatter/rounder.

Otherwise it is quite close. To be honest with you, the primary thing is just what happens when it gets the volume right near the top. I could get a very similar sound with my Laney GH50L just by turning the master volume over 8. It gets wild and hairy over 8.

 

[VonBonfire]

Here is a new record of my mods it sound almost spot on threw an iphone :

Sounded like bedroom mud.

 

[Amp_chaser]

Sounded like bedroom mud.

Is it better ?