I used my Diezel herbert for a show over the weekend :(

[Lord Toneking]

Ya know, you're playing in church it looks like so I'd be willing to bet you didnt get to really open the amp up to actual gig volumes. That may have a lot to do with it. My QR gets rather mushy when I play at certain churches when I cant get to the 'sweet' spot on the volume

 

[Digital Jams]

It happens.

I was a huge MK IV fan and still am but when I started playing out with friends weekly and a couple of town gigs it was apparent my home settings were pretty much garbage live. I felt like a dope for giving those settings out so much throughout the years without having tested them in the real world. When I got the MK IV to cut well I did not like the tone at all so it got to the point I did not want to use it. Honestly I was trying to make it sound like a Marshall and failed big time

What happens in the basement you can throw out the window live IMO, totally different enviroment. Your fx is different, noise levels different, power source, etc..............

Yeah there are some basement formites I listen to but they used to gig out at one point or are still involved with mixes. Guys like Erock I listen to as I can hear he dials in his stuff to cut. The low end bass that some like will not work live.

Shit happens

 

[Les Zombie]

Ya know, you're playing in church it looks like so I'd be willing to bet you didnt get to really open the amp up to actual gig volumes. That may have a lot to do with it. My QR gets rather mushy when I play at certain churches when I cant get to the 'sweet' spot on the volume

Yea we played in a church, it was a benefit concert with 4 bands and it was to help raise money for a 6 yr old boy that got a infection in his legs and had to have them removed from above the knee, it was very sad. Hes getting Prosthetic legs and they are very expensive plus he has alot of medical bills. I heard that there was about 30k in donations that was raised, so it was a honor and blessing to be apart of something like this.


Anyway the church is huge and i got to play pretty loud, my drummer is loud too and his drums was mic'd and so was the bass.

Maybe the problem is that i play mahogany guitars or i just like different amps for band stuff.

Im not gonna sell my herbert or anything like that, i plan on keeping it.

 

[Les Zombie]

It happens.

I was a huge MK IV fan and still am but when I started playing out with friends weekly and a couple of town gigs it was apparent my home settings were pretty much garbage live. I felt like a dope for giving those settings out so much throughout the years without having tested them in the real world. When I got the MK IV to cut well I did not like the tone at all so it got to the point I did not want to use it. Honestly I was trying to make it sound like a Marshall and failed big time

What happens in the basement you can throw out the window live IMO, totally different enviroment. Your fx is different, noise levels different, power source, etc..............

Yeah there are some basement formites I listen to but they used to gig out at one point or are still involved with mixes. Guys like Erock I listen to as I can hear he dials in his stuff to cut. The low end bass that some like will not work live.

Shit happens

I know exactly what your talking about, my home settings always sucked when i tried to use them with my bands, another thing i learned over the years is that my settings for indoor gigs is also alot different when i play shows outdoors, i try not to depend on a certain setting. I like to dial in a sound that suits where im playing.

 

[thiswaythatway]

 

[Shark Diver]

I think i bought a herbert from you back in the summer of 2006.

In Ca.?

After you do the usual knob tweaking and cabinet/speaker experimentation that people on forums always like to use to explain away your problems .

Well that's what trouble shooting is all about.

I Honestly I was trying to make it sound like a Marshall and failed big time

What happens in the basement you can throw out the window live IMO, totally different enviroment. Your fx is different, noise levels different, power source, etc..............:

Very good points. Might be dialing something in against what it was designed to sound like. I like to set my amps while at volume and with backing tracks. Really gets me pretty close to stage mixes.

 

[Les Zombie]

I think it was you that sold it to me, it was sent to maryland and i think you had uwe check it over before you sold it, when i got it a couple powertubes got broke in the shipping and the powerchord was missing and you sent me money and i thought that was nice.

 

[Jimmie]

so many variables to consider in getting the tone to cut, speakers, pickups, tone setting on the guitar etc.

I run MTS stuff, W/D/W, and feel Randall is limiting in many aspects and I would buy something else in a heartbeat, cept my broke ass can't even afford to pay attention these days, but I do have one module that I thought for the longest time was unusable, it was Modded by Pete and his stuff is usually top notch and so I kept it around until I could figure it out.

What makes this module interesting, is it has a mids pull switch that when engaged against even a moderate amount of distortion, it squeals uncontrollably like a banshee in heat! (I hope thats not derogative towards anyone) I have learned though, through a lot of trial and error, that pulling the distortion back to almost barely on, with the mids engaged on is where the cutting edge comes to life. If you could imagine a reversed scooped eq setting, having the mids able to run twice as hot as the bass and treble settings, is what this module operates at.

Don't know if that example provides anything for anyone to think about in their quest, hope it helps.

Jimmie

 

[Les Zombie]

I hope you guys dont think im saying it doesnt cut period, it was heard but when compared to the other amps i use live it didnt cut as much, people could hear me. Its not a bad amp but theres amps i like better in that situation, its not hard to figure out that amps like the slo, quickrod,6505, 2203, 2555, 5150 III and many more. My kt88 nitro i sold swampdonkey has more cut also and he noticed it too, i also liked my uberschall better.

Like i said earlier, for my purposes i think it suits me better as a amp i like best at home.

 

[Shark Diver]

I think it was you that sold it to me, it was sent to maryland and i think you had uwe check it over before you sold it, when i got it a couple powertubes got broke in the shipping and the powerchord was missing and you sent me money and i thought that was nice.

that was me. I would never leave anyone hanging on a sale.

 

[Anonymous]

Love the Herbert for at home noodling but...finally took it to a band rehearsal and ....couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Like I've said before...World best and most expensive bedroom amp

 

[Anonymous]

i had the same problem with a mesa mark 3 back in the late 90's. LOVED the fucking thing when the band wasn't playing....sound dissapeared completely once we were jamming. i was basically doing a reverse scoop to get the mids bumped up, yeah, it cut, but also sounded horrible like that.

i still think i shoulda kept it but i sold it for more than i bought it for, and at the time, that was good enough for me. i knew minimum about tube amps back then too and my ear was way more accustomed to the sound of my preamp/mosvalve rig.

 

[base341]

I recently started dialing back the channel volume to about 9 o'clock or so and cranking the master to 9-10 o'clock.. I also backed off the gain to less than 12:00 and my Herbert starts to get meaner sounding and feels like it has more bite..

 

[Ventura]

ive been saying the same thing about them for a long time.

IMHO i would love to hear someone do a live comparison with the new herbert mk II and see if those problems have been resolved, i believe that was the intension of revising the circuit of the amplifier - to alleviate the live cutting/sitting mix of the original herberts

It's been out there for a while that the Herbert is great in a studio or recording environment, and the V cuts like a knife in a gig/jam situation. It's a delicate dance of mids, tone, and compression.

Just my 2 cents,
V.

 

[Ventura]

PS, you located in Hawaii??

I just noticed the ALOHA t-shirt on the drummer.

Peace,
V.

 

[Skrln]

V, does the MkII of Herbert fare better in live situations?

 

[Jimmie]

I recently started dialing back the channel volume to about 9 o'clock or so and cranking the master to 9-10 o'clock.. I also backed off the gain to less than 12:00 and my Herbert starts to get meaner sounding and feels like it has more bite..

with it set this way, have you tried pushing up the mids? Just wondering how the harmonics act. I've wanted a Herbert but friends keep talking me out of it...

 

[Les Zombie]

PS, you located in Hawaii??

I just noticed the ALOHA t-shirt on the drummer.

Peace,
V.

No, its a mma shirt. Bj penn is one of his favorite fighters and from hawaii.

 

[Les Zombie]

I had my master volume at 12:00 and the gain on ch3 at around 11:30 or noon and ch2 was around 12:00 to 1:00. I kept adjusting and cant remember the exact spot i left it at.
My mids was at 2:30 to 3:00 and i had the bass and depth around 10:30 to 11:00, pres was at 2:30 to 3:00. The treble was 12:30 to 1:30, mid cut was turned off half the time but when i did use it i had the level at 12:00 and intensity at 8:30.

Think about it guys, those settings have plenty of mids, the master is loud, the bass and depth are low, the pres and treb are high and the gain isnt over the top. Those are decent settings and not the stupid settings some kid would dial in.

Tubes are el34 with plenty of life, pre tubes are ruby c9.

I use a kenneth lawrence explorer with emg 81 and a prs tremonti II, both guitars are mahogany body and necks with maple tops.

And i already mentioned i used a uberkab and had it turned up pretty loud and even mic'd the v30.
At some points in the night i used a clean boost too.

And yes i stood 20 to 30 feet away from the amp to dial in my settings, i dont like to dial them in by how it sounds onstage.

 

[Ben Hur]

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I know exactly what your talking about, my home settings always sucked when i tried to use them with my bands, another thing i learned over the years is that my settings for indoor gigs is also alot different when i play shows outdoors, i try not to depend on a certain setting. I like to dial in a sound that suits where im playing.[/quote]


always a huge difference between home tone, live tone, and studio tone. all comes down to hearing it and dialing it in on the spot


sorry to hear ya didn't like the herbie live! i played one live a few years ago when we opened for a friends band and it was killer. then again, we were a 1 guitar band and so were they...... same guy now also owns a vh4 and runs them both at big shows, but at the little shows where he needs a smaller rig he just runs the vh4. different strokes for different folks