ICE murdered an innocent woman

[Robostyle]

unjustifiably shooting US citizens in the face.

All credibility lost.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

I have no idea what you're attempting to say with the above.

So, no riots for anything to do with ICE back in 2015 so, why the riots now BEFORE the shooting is the real question that you should be focusing on.

I feel you being inconvenienced but YOU wanted a civil and intelligent conversation and he it is.

What response do you have for us all?

I have trouble believing you don't see the differences in the situations then vs now.

Just to be clear though, I was saying that back then, ICE was following the law, due process, etc. No riots because the general consensus was that things were happening lawfully. What is happening today is different. ICE is acting outside the law, not following due process, ignoring and violating the rights of everyone including US citizens.

People aren't accepting that shit, and they shouldn't. If you were arrested for no reason and thrown in jail for a year, would you just say "welp they're police officers and that means they're always right no matter what so I'll just happily sit here. USA! USA!" or would you do whatever you could to try to fight back?

 

[Robostyle]

Please list all of the people who have been "arrested for no reason".
Good faith discussions don't start with propaganda and lies.
These talking points are exactly what is fueling this bullshit in the first place.

 

[Geo]

 

[NoHassle]

The riots were happening at the exact same rate then as ICE was going nuts and unjustifiably shooting US citizens in the face then.

ICE is not an inherently bad organization. The US should not have open boarders. Anybody who believes in open boarders is an idiot and should not be taken seriously. If you'll notice, official Democrat leadership does not support an Open Boarders policy. But when ICE is turned into what it is now, no due process being followed, people being detained and deported without due process, citizens being killed in the street without cause, people in detention centers being killed and raped with zero accountability, that shit needs to be changed.

More dribble from you.

Due process to be deported?

Yes, due process leaving should ONLY be due if you entered using due process. Rights? Absolutely ZERO because they didn't enter lawfully and they're not a US citizen. They are simply invaders, illegal burglars, illegal squatters etc...

Riots from the Left? You expect any country in the world to allow rioting and harassment of law enforcement with no consequences?

The real world, that you continue to deny, is she did interfere and was told BEFORE being shot and she chose to ignore that warning.

She is 100% responsible for her own death and you believing otherwise has you looking like a complete and utter fool.

I ask you, what would you have done if you were told by armed Feds to stop in that same moment? Would you play Russian Roulette with your life...I bet you wouldn't so stop being an antagonist and a hypocrite.

How's that for an intelligent response and don't fucking come back with more of the same imbecilic rhetoric that you've been spewing.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

The riots were happening at the exact same rate then as ICE was going nuts and unjustifiably shooting US citizens in the face then.

ICE is not an inherently bad organization. The US should not have open boarders. Anybody who believes in open boarders is an idiot and should not be taken seriously. If you'll notice, official Democrat leadership does not support an Open Boarders policy. But when ICE is turned into what it is now, no due process being followed, people being detained and deported without due process, citizens being killed in the street without cause, people in detention centers being killed and raped with zero accountability, that shit needs to be changed.

I have trouble believing you don't see the differences in the situations then vs now.

Just to be clear though, I was saying that back then, ICE was following the law, due process, etc. No riots because the general consensus was that things were happening lawfully. What is happening today is different. ICE is acting outside the law, not following due process, ignoring and violating the rights of everyone including US citizens.

People aren't accepting that shit, and they shouldn't. If you were arrested for no reason and thrown in jail for a year, would you just say "welp they're police officers and that means they're always right no matter what so I'll just happily sit here. USA! USA!" or would you do whatever you could to try to fight back?

Please explain to me what you think due process means.
I'm not being facetious with this question.

 

[NoHassle]

I have trouble believing you don't see the differences in the situations then vs now.

Just to be clear though, I was saying that back then, ICE was following the law, due process, etc. No riots because the general consensus was that things were happening lawfully. What is happening today is different. ICE is acting outside the law, not following due process, ignoring and violating the rights of everyone including US citizens.

People aren't accepting that shit, and they shouldn't. If you were arrested for no reason and thrown in jail for a year, would you just say "welp they're police officers and that means they're always right no matter what so I'll just happily sit here. USA! USA!" or would you do whatever you could to try to fight back?

You have ZERO idea what was happening on the streets back in 2015 regarding ICE and the locals.

Talk about stretching it for YOUR narrative.

 

[Findthetone1]

I have trouble believing you don't see the differences in the situations then vs now.

Just to be clear though, I was saying that back then, ICE was following the law, due process, etc. No riots because the general consensus was that things were happening lawfully. What is happening today is different. ICE is acting outside the law, not following due process, ignoring and violating the rights of everyone including US citizens.

People aren't accepting that shit, and they shouldn't. If you were arrested for no reason and thrown in jail for a year, would you just say "welp they're police officers and that means they're always right no matter what so I'll just happily sit here. USA! USA!" or would you do whatever you could to try to fight back?

Man, you could put a political spin on a microwave owner's manual. I'll give you that.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

More dribble from you.

Due process to be deported?

Yes, due process leaving should ONLY be due if you entered using due process. Rights? Absolutely ZERO because they didn't enter lawfully and they're not a US citizen. They are simply invaders, illegal burglars, illegal squatters etc...

Oh right, I forget, you conservatives don't care about the Constitution unless it's immediately beneficial to you personally and whatever you're thinking about right this minute, do you. The US Constitution guarantees due process rights to ALL PERSONS, citizens or not, in the United States, specifically mentioned in the fifth and fourteenth amendment. But of course you don't care about that, because you don't actually care about the constitution or the country, you just use the Constitution as a prop because it helps to pretend to "stand for something" when you're pretending to be patriotic.

But again, the Constitution guarantees due process rights for all people here. Sorry, the facts don't care about your feelings.

Riots from the Left? You expect any country in the world to allow rioting and harassment of law enforcement with no consequences?

When the "law enforcement" isn't actually following the law and violating the rights of citizens? Absofuckinglutely, and so should you. What the fuck do you think the 2nd Amendment exists for? It's specifically, precisely there to protect people against whom a corrupt "law enforcement" group steps beyond the rights of the citizens.

The real world, that you continue to deny, is she did interfere and was told BEFORE being shot and she chose to ignore that warning.

Yes, she interfered and should have been arrested. No, that does not give ICE the right to kill her. For someone on the right who shouts so much about independence, you don't have much of a grasp on the rights of US citizens rights do you.

She is 100% responsible for her own death and you believing otherwise has you looking like a complete and utter fool.

No, the guy who shot her in the face twice after he was well out of the way of her car is responsible for her death. The law and police policy around these situations is very clear. He had more than enough time to move out of the way even after he purposefully put himself right in front of her car (also against police policy) meaning he didn't have the right to kill her. And to be honest to see you scratching around so hard for any excuse whatsoever to justify a citizen being killed without cause is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I ask you, what would you have done if you were told by armed Feds to stop in that same moment? Would you play Russian Roulette with your life...I bet you wouldn't so stop being an antagonist and a hypocrite.

How's that for an intelligent response and don't fucking come back with more of the same imbecilic rhetoric that you've been spewing.

First of all I'd like to think I'm not so irresponsible as to actively stop law enforcement from doing what they're trying to do and putting myself in that kind of situation. I have more respect for the law than that. However if an officer tells me to stop, I'd like to think I would have stopped. But IF I had chosen to drive off, I rightfully expect the right to not be shot if I wasn't going to run over anybody in the process. In that case it would be lawful to arrested and jail me, but not shoot me.

You are acting under the belief that "the law" and "corrupt officers" are the same thing. They're not. ICE officers are not The Law. They don't get to do literally whatever they want to anybody they want just because they put on some camo in the morning.

 

[NoHassle]

Oh right, I forget, you conservatives don't care about the Constitution unless it's immediately beneficial to you personally and whatever you're thinking about right this minute, do you. The US Constitution guarantees due process rights to ALL PERSONS, citizens or not, in the United States, specifically mentioned in the fifth and fourteenth amendment. But of course you don't care about that, because you don't actually care about the constitution or the country, you just use the Constitution as a prop because it helps to pretend to "stand for something" when you're pretending to be patriotic.

But again, the Constitution guarantees due process rights for all people here. Sorry, the facts don't care about your feelings.




When the "law enforcement" isn't actually following the law and violating the rights of citizens? Absofuckinglutely, and so should you. What the fuck do you think the 2nd Amendment exists for? It's specifically, precisely there to protect people against whom a corrupt "law enforcement" group steps beyond the rights of the citizens.




Yes, she interfered and should have been arrested. No, that does not give ICE the right to kill her. For someone on the right who shouts so much about independence, you don't have much of a grasp on the rights of US citizens rights do you.




No, the guy who shot her in the face twice after he was well out of the way of her car is responsible for her death. The law around these situations is very clear. He didn't have the right to kill her. And to be honest to see you scratching around so hard for any excuse whatsoever to justify a citizen being killed without cause is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.




First of all I'd like to think I'm not so irresponsible as to actively stop law enforcement from doing what they're trying to do and putting myself in that kind of situation. I have more respect for the law than that. However if an officer tells me to stop, I'd like to think I would have stopped. But IF I had chosen to drive off, I rightfully expect the right to not be shot if I wasn't going to run over anybody in the process. In that case it would be lawful to arrested and jail me, but not shoot me.

You are acting under the belief that "the law" and "corrupt officers" are the same thing. They're not. ICE officers are not The Law. They don't get to do literally whatever they want to anybody they want just because they put on some camo in the morning.

Give up responding to me...you're an idiot.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

Give up responding to me...you're an idiot.

Great rebuttal, lol.

I respond with actual info about the Constitution and Minnesota law and police policy, all of which point to you being wrong, and of course you reply with "durrr me no like that, YOU stupid."

Cool.

 

[Findthetone1]

Great rebuttal, lol.

I respond with actual info about the Constitution and Michigan law and police policy, all of which point to you being wrong, and of course you reply with "durrr me no like that, YOU stupid."

Cool.

Why are you referencing Michigan law about something that happened in Minnesota?

No, the guy who shot her in the face twice after he was well out of the way of her car is responsible for her death. The law and police policy around these situations is very clear. He had more than enough time to move out of the way even after he purposefully put himself right in front of her car (also against police policy) meaning he didn't have the right to kill her

This is pure overemotional speculation. We've covered this.

 

[Robostyle]

No, the guy who shot her in the face twice after he was well out of the way of her car is responsible for her death.

If i pull a gun on an officer, but don't shoot them, does the officer have the right to shoot me?

 

[TheGreatGreen]

Why are you referencing Michigan law about something that happened in Minnesota?

Woops, typo. Thanks for the correction.

This is pure overemotional speculation. We've covered this.

Nope. It's not speculation. We have video. Everybody has seen it. You calling it "overemotional" speculation doesn't change anything even though you want it to.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

If i pull a gun on an officer, but don't shoot them, does the officer have the right to shoot me?

Yes, the officer absolutely has the right to shoot you in that situation.

 

[Robostyle]

Great rebuttal, lol.

I respond with actual info about the Constitution

Is it part of the Constitution to leave our borders wide open for 4 years straight?

 

[Findthetone1]

Woops, typo. Thanks for the correction.



Nope. It's not speculation. We have video. Everybody has seen it. You calling it "overemotional" speculation doesn't change anything even though you want it to.

So, if you watch a video of a pilot landing an airplane, do you think you know how to after that?

 

[Robostyle]

Yes, the officer absolutely has the right to shoot you in that situation.

Why?

 

[NoHassle]

Oh right, I forget, you conservatives don't care about the Constitution unless it's immediately beneficial to you personally and whatever you're thinking about right this minute, do you. The US Constitution guarantees due process rights to ALL PERSONS, citizens or not, in the United States, specifically mentioned in the fifth and fourteenth amendment. But of course you don't care about that, because you don't actually care about the constitution or the country, you just use the Constitution as a prop because it helps to pretend to "stand for something" when you're pretending to be patriotic.

But again, the Constitution guarantees due process rights for all people here. Sorry, the facts don't care about your feelings.




When the "law enforcement" isn't actually following the law and violating the rights of citizens? Absofuckinglutely, and so should you. What the fuck do you think the 2nd Amendment exists for? It's specifically, precisely there to protect people against whom a corrupt "law enforcement" group steps beyond the rights of the citizens.




Yes, she interfered and should have been arrested. No, that does not give ICE the right to kill her. For someone on the right who shouts so much about independence, you don't have much of a grasp on the rights of US citizens rights do you.




No, the guy who shot her in the face twice after he was well out of the way of her car is responsible for her death. The law and police policy around these situations is very clear. He had more than enough time to move out of the way even after he purposefully put himself right in front of her car (also against police policy) meaning he didn't have the right to kill her. And to be honest to see you scratching around so hard for any excuse whatsoever to justify a citizen being killed without cause is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.




First of all I'd like to think I'm not so irresponsible as to actively stop law enforcement from doing what they're trying to do and putting myself in that kind of situation. I have more respect for the law than that. However if an officer tells me to stop, I'd like to think I would have stopped. But IF I had chosen to drive off, I rightfully expect the right to not be shot if I wasn't going to run over anybody in the process. In that case it would be lawful to arrested and jail me, but not shoot me.

You are acting under the belief that "the law" and "corrupt officers" are the same thing. They're not. ICE officers are not The Law. They don't get to do literally whatever they want to anybody they want just because they put on some camo in the morning.

AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution is like a shield that protects people from unfair treatment by the federal government. This is especially true if they’re accused of a crime. It’s a vital part of the Bill of Rights, which guarantees important freedoms to Americans. This amendment covers crucial rights such as the right to a fair trial, not being forced to testify against yourself, and ensuring that no one can be tried for the same crime twice.

 

[Findthetone1]

AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution is like a shield that protects people from unfair treatment by the federal government. This is especially true if they’re accused of a crime. It’s a vital part of the Bill of Rights, which guarantees important freedoms to Americans. This amendment covers crucial rights such as the right to a fair trial, not being forced to testify against yourself, and ensuring that no one can be tried for the same crime twice.

Well, there's an inconvenient fact....