ICE murdered an innocent woman

[Findthetone1]

Have you ever driven a car on frozen water? Yes or No?
It seems like you don't want to answer simple questions. Kind of like that Doctor who would not answer the "can men get pregnant" question.
If you really did want "reasonable discussion", you would simply answer the question. That is what a discussion is.

He seems incapable of having a discussion. I've tried. You've tried.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

Have you ever driven a car on frozen water? Yes or No?
It seems like you don't want to answer simple questions. Kind of like that Doctor who would not answer the "can men get pregnant" question.
If you really did want "reasonable discussion", you would simply answer the question. That is what a discussion is.

Please have patience, I can only process so much bullshit at a time.

Anyway, this is another bullshit false equivalency. You're obviously trying to say iced roads mean cars don't turn so Renee Good's car must have been going straight because there's snow on the ground in the video which means the road must have been iced, so even though the wheels were turned, the car was only going straight. All of that is bullshit, complete nonsense. We all saw the video. The car was turning, changing vector as the cop started shooting. You are being dishonest.

Honestly I'm losing patience with you morons. It's just false claims, false equivalency, and bad interpretation of the law one after the other. I've shown this clearly time and time again, and you all refuse to budge because that would mean, gasp, you might have been wrong about something, which is IMPOSSIBLE, right? Christ sake.


Anyway, here's another thorough video analysis of the shooting. I can't wait for you bootlickers to claim it's all "fake" or "wrong" because it doesn't come to the conclusion you want it to or else your narrative falls apart.

 

[Robostyle]

You're obviously trying to say

You are not trying to participate in any "reasonable discussion".
You have no idea what i am trying to say.
You won't even answer a simple yes or no question, yet you think you have all the answers.
You repeating "i am right and everyone else is wrong" is not a discussion.
At this point, you must be trolling the forum because this is not how grown adults discuss anything.
Why do you want to change peoples' minds? Can't people make up their own minds?

 

[Findthetone1]

Please have patience, I can only process so much bullshit at a time.

Anyway, this is another bullshit false equivalency. You're obviously trying to say iced roads mean cars don't turn so Renee Good's car must have been going straight because there's snow on the ground in the video which means the road must have been iced, so even though the wheels were turned, the car was only going straight. All of that is bullshit, complete nonsense. We all saw the video. The car was turning, changing vector as the cop started shooting. You are being dishonest.

Honestly I'm losing patience with you morons. It's just false claims, false equivalency, and bad interpretation of the law one after the other. I've shown this clearly time and time again, and you all refuse to budge because that would mean, gasp, you might have been wrong about something, which is IMPOSSIBLE, right? Christ sake.


Anyway, here's another thorough video analysis of the shooting. I can't wait for you bootlickers to claim it's all "fake" or "wrong" because it doesn't come to the conclusion you want it to or else your narrative falls apart.

Wow, so now there's drone video of the critical incident. Not only that, but the vehicle can also change color!

Honestly I'm losing patience with you morons. It's just false claims, false equivalency, and bad interpretation of the law one after the other. I've shown this clearly time and time again, and you all refuse to budge because that would mean, gasp, you might have been wrong about something, which is IMPOSSIBLE, right? Christ sake.

More overemotional babble. I've never once said that at this point, that it is a justified shooting.
You know why? Because I WASN'T THERE! And you weren't either.
What I can say is that the inflammatory rhetoric and political pearl clutching from you is ridiculous. You think you have it all locked up based on "internet evidence"

I can't wait for you bootlickers

And this is proof you have zero ability to have a rational discussion. You are in full Kool-Aid mode.

 

[NoHassle]

Completely fucking wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. And wrong. You are wrong.



Incorrect assumption. If they meant "citizens" they would have said "citizens." They don't even say anything like "referring to citizens as persons henceforth" in any part.



Wrong. Typical conservative fascist bending their wish for what the law was to suit.



Again, the facts don't care about your feelings. The US Constitution applies to all people within the boarders of the county.



Incorrect. Not true. Wrong. That's plain and simply not what the law states, no matter how much you want that to be the case.

You have no idea about the Constitution, immigration nor the law.

Read my post again, when you LEGALLY enter into the US as a foreigner you 100% agree to abide by the US law. In other words, you surrender your foreign rights and are covered under US law whilst in the country. The key is you entered legally and YOU gave legal consent to be treated under American law.

Where you don't enter legally you have not recognised nor legally agreed to be treated as an American under US law.

What the fuck do you think VISAS are in place for you moron. A VISA is a LEGAL document of terms and conditions.

Try entering the US as a foreigner and ONLY THEN you may understand the law and what it covers when you LEGALLY go through due process.

Funny how ICE and Trump's admin fully understand it and they're bonafide lawyers.

Dickhead.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

@TheGreatGreen

I've asked and @Findthetone1 asked similarly...
How do you define due process & what due process do you think people are being denied?
Since you haven't answered; and please correct me if I'm wrong in my assumption, I'm assuming you think it means something along the lines of trial by jury or at least pleading your case before a judiciary judge.

If that is how you define due process it is an incorrect definition. The basic definition of due process is a person is afforded adequate legal procedure for a given situation. As related to illegal immigration it falls under the executive branch and can be as simple as an executive judge reviewing a case file and ordering deportation. It can even go as simple as someone is detained, found to have no legal precedent to be in the country, and is ordered to be deported. This is what ICE is currently and always has been doing.

I happened to catch a Tim Pool video earlier this morning that is covering this same topic. He is debating a girl who is taking a similar stance to you that illegal immigrants are not being afforded due process. Tim has stayed true to what he's been saying and is 100% correct in his definition and assessment. I urge you to watch it.

Oh, and don't pay attention to the click bait title. It's actually a civil discussion between them. In addition; and I can't remember if he said it in this video but I agree with him... morally I think the agent firing on the woman was a bit excessive and there could have been a better option, but legally he was completely justified. Also neither you nor I were there or in the position of the agent. So neither one of us has much room to judge the situation. It's all speculative opinion if he was morally justified or could have just taken a step out the way.

 

[Robostyle]

I'm still waiting for the list of people who have been arrested "for no reason"

 

[NoHassle]

I'm still waiting for the list of people who have been arrested "for no reason"

 

[NoHassle]

@TheGreatGreen

I've asked and @Findthetone1 asked similarly...
How do you define due process & what due process do you think people are being denied?
Since you haven't answered; and please correct me if I'm wrong in my assumption, I'm assuming you think it means something along the lines of trial by jury or at least pleading your case before a judiciary judge.

If that is how you define due process it is an incorrect definition. The basic definition of due process is a person is afforded adequate legal procedure for a given situation. As related to illegal immigration it falls under the executive branch and can be as simple as an executive judge reviewing a case file and ordering deportation. It can even go as simple as someone is detained, found to have no legal precedent to be in the country, and is ordered to be deported. This is what ICE is currently and always has been doing.

I happened to catch a Tim Pool video earlier this morning that is covering this same topic. He is debating a girl who is taking a similar stance to you that illegal immigrants are not being afforded due process. Tim has stayed true to what he's been saying and is 100% correct in his definition and assessment. I urge you to watch it.

Oh, and don't pay attention to the click bait title. It's actually a civil discussion between them. In addition; and I can't remember if he said it in this video but I agree with him... morally I think the agent firing on the woman was a bit excessive and there could have been a better option, but legally he was completely justified. Also neither you nor I were there or in the position of the agent. So neither one of us has much room to judge the situation. It's all speculative opinion if he was morally justified or could have just taken a step out the way.

You do realise you're dealing with an idiot antagonist who is 99% most likely another alt.

You're doing good work but it's of zero use as the recipient doesn't read it and even if they did, emotionally they're crippled...as you most likely know.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

You do realise you're dealing with an idiot antagonist who is 99% most likely another alt.

You're doing good work but it's of zero use as the recipient doesn't read it and even if they did, emotionally they're crippled...as you most likely know.

I've had my own back and forths with him several times. He was civil with me in the thread he posted about neuroscience and conservatives when I responded. Just trying to return the favor.

 

[Robostyle]

You're obviously trying to say iced roads mean cars don't turn so Renee Good's car must have been going straight because there's snow on the ground in the video which means the road must have been iced, so even though the wheels were turned, the car was only going straight. All of that is bullshit, complete nonsense. We all saw the video. The car was turning, changing vector as the cop started shooting. You are being dishonest.

None of this matters. Not one bit.
It all comes down to 1 simple fact.

 

[watson503]

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Anyway, here's another thorough video analysis of the shooting. I can't wait for you bootlickers to claim it's all "fake" or "wrong" because it doesn't come to the conclusion you want it to or else your narrative falls apart.

Since we've gone full circle and are back on the the direction wheels are pointing and he could have easily stepped out of the way I want to reiterate some points I've made earlier in this and other threads. I've brought this up with you already, but you never responded or acknowledged what I posted. I don't want to assume you ignored it so maybe you missed the posts.

I've seen this video before. About the only thing this guy has is the thought of shots 2 & 3 were excessive. The rest of his analysis is leaving out some crucial elements that changes the entire framework.

• He wasn't in her line until she reversed. He was off to the side before that and didn't walk into the direct path.
  • Everything lining up was a combo of him stepping and the vehicle reversing.
• Before he even pulled his gun the tires were pointed straight at him as she pressed the accelerator. In a slow motion video you can clearly see the front tires spin out on the ice. It's at that point he reaches for his gun.
• My opinion, I think the tires spinning out in that instance is what saved his life. If not for that we'd be looking at an entirely different situation.
• From the agent's perspective he did not have a view of which way the tires were pointing. The vehicle was pointing at him as it moved forward.
• The agent was struck hard enough to cause internal bleeding.
• There's body cam video of a similar incident that shows just how quickly things happen. We're talking literal fractions of a second to react.
  • An officer was at the front of the vehicle attempting to make an arrest of something like that.
  • On the body cam footage at the 3 second mark the driver hit the gas and rammed toward her.
  • By the 4 second mark the officer was under the tires and crushed dead.

A couple of additional points/opinions that I want to restate

• I don't think Renee Good had malicious intent when she struck the agent. I believe it was a case of reckless abandon as she attempted to drive away. It's disingenuous to present this side as her raging with the intent to run down ICE agents on the scene
• I do not believe the ICE agent had any intent to gun down any protestor and what happened to Renee good was in the heat of the moment. So it's equally disingenuous to portray the ICE agent as if he just walked up to the window with murderous intent and unloaded a full magazine into Renee Goods face.
• I do not think Renee Good deserved to die in that situation, but I do believe her poor choices is what lead to her death.
• I do think Renee Good did have a right to be there in protest. I do not think Renee Good had any right to be blocking the street or impeding federal operations in any way.
• No one but Renee Good and the ICE agent were in that situation. Aside from a full object analysis from the the videos that are out there, everything else is speculative opinion.

I know I've referenced Tim Pool's videos several times already. That's because he seems to be the only YouTube talking head that is actually taking an objective look at the event without getting into all the emotional rhetoric.

This will be the same video, just cued up to two different spots.
The first is his analysis of the events; which if not obvious I agree with. And this was before we knew about the ICE agent's injuries, but the analysis still holds.
The second is the body cam footage of the similar incident I referenced. I want you to pay special attention to how quickly everything unfolded while keeping the incident between the ICE agent and Renee good in mind.

 

[Findthetone1]

Since we've gone full circle and are back on the the direction wheels are pointing and he could have easily stepped out of the way I want to reiterate some points I've made earlier in this and other threads. I've brought this up with you already, but you never responded or acknowledged what I posted. I don't want to assume you ignored it so maybe you missed the posts.

I've seen this video before. About the only thing this guy has is the thought of shots 2 & 3 were excessive. The rest of his analysis is leaving out some crucial elements that changes the entire framework.

• He wasn't in her line until she reversed. He was off to the side before that and didn't walk into the direct path.
  • Everything lining up was a combo of him stepping and the vehicle reversing.
• Before he even pulled his gun the tires were pointed straight at him as she pressed the accelerator. In a slow motion video you can clearly see the front tires spin out on the ice. It's at that point he reaches for his gun.
• My opinion, I think the tires spinning out in that instance is what saved his life. If not for that we'd be looking at an entirely different situation.
• From the agent's perspective he did not have a view of which way the tires were pointing. The vehicle was pointing at him as it moved forward.
• The agent was struck hard enough to cause internal bleeding.
• There's body cam video of a similar incident that shows just how quickly things happen. We're talking literal fractions of a second to react.
  • An officer was at the front of the vehicle attempting to make an arrest of something like that.
  • On the body cam footage at the 3 second mark the driver hit the gas and rammed toward her.
  • By the 4 second mark the officer was under the tires and crushed dead.

A couple of additional points/opinions that I want to restate

• I don't think Renee Good had malicious intent when she struck the agent. I believe it was a case of reckless abandon as she attempted to drive away. It's disingenuous to present this side as her raging with the intent to run down ICE agents on the scene
• I do not believe the ICE agent had any intent to gun down any protestor and what happened to Renee good was in the heat of the moment. So it's equally disingenuous to portray the ICE agent as if he just walked up to the window with murderous intent and unloaded a full magazine into Renee Goods face.
• I do not think Renee Good deserved to die in that situation, but I do believe her poor choices is what lead to her death.
• I do think Renee Good did have a right to be there in protest. I do not think Renee Good had any right to be blocking the street or impeding federal operations in any way.
• No one but Renee Good and the ICE agent were in that situation. Aside from a full object analysis from the the videos that are out there, everything else is speculative opinion.

I know I've referenced Tim Pool's videos several times already. That's because he seems to be the only YouTube talking head that is actually taking an objective look at the event without getting into all the emotional rhetoric.

This will be the same video, just cued up to two different spots.
The first is his analysis of the events; which if not obvious I agree with. And this was before we knew about the ICE agent's injuries, but the analysis still holds.
The second is the body cam footage of the similar incident I referenced. I want you to pay special attention to how quickly everything unfolded while keeping the incident between the ICE agent and Renee good in mind.

It may be a while for a response from him. He's busy mixing today's batch of Kool-Aid.

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

It may be a while for a response from him. He's busy mixing today's batch of Kool-Aid.

…and cock.