In-Ear Monitors...My 2 cents

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Long story short, I was tired of screaming on stage to hear myself. A couple weeks ago I woke up the next day after a show and could barely talk. I play in a country/classic rock kind of band, so I should never be that horse. I decided to get some IEM's. After spending 8 straight hours on the web I took a flier on the Audio Technica M2. I couldn't find many reviews on them, but I know they make decent stuff and the price was right. This is my 2 cents on the system.

I used them at practice the first night, with the supplied earbuds. The earbuds were not complete junk, but would not hack it. The system did sound ok, but not fantastic. The next day I ordered Westone UM2 earbuds. Awesome! Took the set up to the next show. I just used a mono mix in both ears. Got a little bit of everything and a lot on me in the mix. The sound guy was slightly off, so the mix wasn't great, but it worked better than wedges. I took the system to the next practice and tweaked it. Now I can hear my vocals very good, and my guitar sounds pretty good. You probably will never get the same sound as standing next to the amp, but for my uses and skill level it is great. The only thing is that if you don't have everything miced, you will not hear a thing. Our drummer is a beast and plays LOUD. Standing two feet away I could not hear a single hit, though I could feel the kick. To solve this I just took one out and it worked great. I also do acoustic/restaurant type shows and used them there. I was blown away how good they sounded and how easy they were to setup/use. After a few more practices this system is great. Everything is clear and painless.

Now since this is mainly a guitar site I will say that I can see how some guitarist may not like these. But as a singer first, guitar player second, they are a life saver. My voice sounds better, my ears don't ring, I can hear my own playing when the lead guitar and I are playing the same riff. It really has changed the game. :D

If you guys want some details or have questions about the setup let me know. I know how annoying it is to try and find reviews on the interwebs. I live in a town where trying things before you buy them is impossible.
 
AS a drummer and guitar player myself, I am sold on these. The guys always look at me saying "man that cymbal was killing me all show".. I have to reply " that's the f_cking hi hat man, it is played 80% of the time". I got myself in ears because i could not hear anything at all without them! Yes a drummer can play with more dynamics and there were periods where i was hardly hitting my snare or cymbals but the trade off is that nobody hears you in the crowd. The solution was in ears for me and bollocks to the rest of them. Until they wise up and get in ear monitors they'll just have to go def.

The End!

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Be careful with only using one earbud. You'll tend to turn up the volume more and you can damage your other ear.
 
Used in-ears for the first time over memorial weekend. Awesome! Took some getting used to but I could hear everything and it helped my performance.
 
I was so excited about my in-ears when I got them.

Until I took them to a club, asked for a board mix, and got a blank stare.

Then took them to a second club, asked for a board mix, and was told "no, I won't do that."

After the third club didn't want to do it, I sold them.
 
bstaley":32ytw0d6 said:
Be careful with only using one earbud. You'll tend to turn up the volume more and you can damage your other ear.

Yeah definately. What I do is put them both in, get the volume right that way, then take one out and never touch the volume knob again. I really try to not use this method, but if the drums aren't miced, it is impossible to hear them with the earbuds I have (which is a good thing).
 
love em, will not play another gig without them.

as for the stupid sound guys, yes i said it... i took them out of the equation.

What i do is let the sound guy do his thing and set everything up... then i use some xlr splitters and split off my vocal mic, then i split off the guitar (direct axe-fx), and then if he can supply me with a band mix, i use his feed, if i get the blank stare i use a whirlwind director direct box and i unplug the wedge, plug that into the direct box, and then i have a line feed back to my little behringer mixer. I run my guitar in stereo hard left and right, band mix up the middle, vox panned a little to the left.

My buds are custom triple drivers from Fidelety custom. Carvin em900 wireless, and a behringer mixer with 4 mic inputs and the built in effects.

takes about 10 minutes to setup, and the sound guy stands there with his mouth hanging open.

Dave
 
I've got the M3 system. Love it! Kind of nice since I got it as a spiff from AT, so I've got nothing invested in it, but that's what I get for selling a bunch of AT gear for the last 10 years.

FWIW, the EP3 earbuds have to be used with the right ear pieces. With an improper fit, my guitar sounded terrible. Getting the correct sleeves made all the difference. My one gripe would be that they aren't overly powerful. A stereo mix also helps a bunch. Also, I've been playing with wired in-ears for over 10 years now, but with Shure earbuds. I still love my Shure E1's (old school) but the EP3's are great for a more Hi-Fi sound.
 
Forgive my ignorance, but if you're someone who typically wears earplugs, then you're just out of luck right? It's either the band or the in ear monitors blaring in your ears I guess....
 
Oh, and for you guys playing the club scene, here's a good solution for you moving into in-ear monitors.

Get these things:

Personus Firestudio (26x26 version)
a couple of Behringer ADA8000's (or similar 8 channel mic pre's w/ adat in and out)
A couple of rack panels, with a bunch of XLR connectors, split to a 15' or so snake fan and your mic pres. You'll always have the same monitor rig, and the sound guy will love you, having to not mix monitors for you.

You get 9 stereo mixes, pulled from 24 channels. Works like a charm. And if you want to do a live recording, you've got the software right there to track your show.
 
johnpace2":2adyb6w5 said:
Forgive my ignorance, but if you're someone who typically wears earplugs, then you're just out of luck right? It's either the band or the in ear monitors blaring in your ears I guess....

It all depends on the monitors. If you get the good ones, you can have very little volume coming out of them because they isolate so well. Its like having earplugs in, but clear sound instead of the muffled waahwaahwaahs.
 
To OP:

I completely agree! I spent around 2k on the top of the line IE's a couple of years ago and I absolutely loved them for vocals! However, I absolutely hated them for guitar and could never get over the isolation factor....... Needless to say I ditched them for a regular floor wedge.

The saving grace for me is when I started using the Axe-Fx with a FRFR powered wedge for my guitar. I don't want to sound like I'm waving the Fractal Audio Flag or anything, I just love the fact that I can get my live tone through a monitor without having to crank up the volume like I did with my tube rigs.......... My vocal monitor has only vocals, and I put my guitar monitor behind me like a cab.... Pure Blisss........................... :rock:
 
As a drummer i can't see how you would want anything else. I can't hear a thing over my snare. I now control the volume of the mix into my ears. It does take gettign used to but i love it.
 
As a drummer i can't see how you would want anything else. I can't hear a thing over my snare. I now control the volume of the mix into my ears. It does take gettign used to but i love it.
 
docbad32":38h0a5mw said:
johnpace2":38h0a5mw said:
Forgive my ignorance, but if you're someone who typically wears earplugs, then you're just out of luck right? It's either the band or the in ear monitors blaring in your ears I guess....

It all depends on the monitors. If you get the good ones, you can have very little volume coming out of them because they isolate so well. Its like having earplugs in, but clear sound instead of the muffled waahwaahwaahs.
Coheed and Cambria shirt? You're my new Rig-Talk best friend.
 
CaseyCor":22ive18q said:
docbad32":22ive18q said:
johnpace2":22ive18q said:
Forgive my ignorance, but if you're someone who typically wears earplugs, then you're just out of luck right? It's either the band or the in ear monitors blaring in your ears I guess....

It all depends on the monitors. If you get the good ones, you can have very little volume coming out of them because they isolate so well. Its like having earplugs in, but clear sound instead of the muffled waahwaahwaahs.
Coheed and Cambria shirt? You're my new Rig-Talk best friend.


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docbad32":2f67tevk said:
CaseyCor":2f67tevk said:
docbad32":2f67tevk said:
johnpace2":2f67tevk said:
Forgive my ignorance, but if you're someone who typically wears earplugs, then you're just out of luck right? It's either the band or the in ear monitors blaring in your ears I guess....

It all depends on the monitors. If you get the good ones, you can have very little volume coming out of them because they isolate so well. Its like having earplugs in, but clear sound instead of the muffled waahwaahwaahs.
Coheed and Cambria shirt? You're my new Rig-Talk best friend.


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First saw them in 2001 back when they were called "Shabutie". Was only about 10 people there to see them including me. Been one of my favorite bands ever since. Really cool guys too. Used to be really shy. That went away as they started to make money, hah.
 
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First saw them in 2001 back when they were called "Shabutie". Was only about 10 people there to see them including me. Been one of my favorite bands ever since. Really cool guys too. Used to be really shy. That went away as they started to make money, hah.[/quote]

Nice. I just saw them in April for the first show their Neverender: SSTB tour in Kansas City. It was pretty cool to hear all those old tunes live. Plus the acoustic set was rad.
 
First saw them in 2001 back when they were called "Shabutie". Was only about 10 people there to see them including me. Been one of my favorite bands ever since. Really cool guys too. Used to be really shy. That went away as they started to make money, hah.[/quote]

Nice. I just saw them in April for the first show their Neverender: SSTB tour in Kansas City. It was pretty cool to hear all those old tunes live. Plus the acoustic set was rad.[/quote]
The Neverender tour was really cool. My 10th time seeing them. I don't like Year of the Black Rainbow at all, but they are still an awesome live band. Chris Penne annoys the shit out of me on the Neverender stuff though. Refuses to play the original percussion parts. I get that he wants to play it his way. I've done the same thing with drum parts in bands. But Neverender was supposed to be a major event, not just playing a show. Listening to the boxset actually makes me angry, heh.

Are you into the story of The Armory Wars at all, or just a fan of the music?

Sorry for hijacking your thread, haha.
 
CaseyCor":2dru1fri said:
First saw them in 2001 back when they were called "Shabutie". Was only about 10 people there to see them including me. Been one of my favorite bands ever since. Really cool guys too. Used to be really shy. That went away as they started to make money, hah.

Nice. I just saw them in April for the first show their Neverender: SSTB tour in Kansas City. It was pretty cool to hear all those old tunes live. Plus the acoustic set was rad.[/quote]
The Neverender tour was really cool. My 10th time seeing them. I don't like Year of the Black Rainbow at all, but they are still an awesome live band. Chris Penne annoys the shit out of me on the Neverender stuff though. Refuses to play the original percussion parts. I get that he wants to play it his way. I've done the same thing with drum parts in bands. But Neverender was supposed to be a major event, not just playing a show. Listening to the boxset actually makes me angry, heh.

Are you into the story of The Armory Wars at all, or just a fan of the music?

Sorry for hijacking your thread, haha.[/quote]

Hijack away. I live in BFE so I have to make it an event to go see anyone that doesn't play the county fair circut. I got the neverender box set and it kills. I actually like Penne's drumming, but I know jack shit about drums. Year the Black Rainbow grew on me. I was actually having this ocversation with a friend about how some one's love for a band can keep them from realizing when an album blows. Oh well, I still dig it.
Yeah I've read the comics and stuff, but its not that big a deal to me. I don't think Claudio is actually that good of a writer, literature wise. Lyrics and composition wise, he's hella good.
 
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