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Findthetone1
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I see. Is this more of your non-group think you live by?
311boogieman
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But if you can't see or experience any of this for yourself, how do you know they are real?
And I'm not saying they are not.
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VonBonfire
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It's common knowledge unless you just buy the crap fed to you on FOX.
My wife's grandfather was a banker in Iowa. I told her "he's a freemason". She completely denied the idea "he never said that to us". Yeah, no kidding, it's a secret society. So I pulled up his obituary and it listed him as a proud freemason and listed his lodge and stuff. They will reveal it after death oftentimes, but not while they are living unless that person decides to disclose it themselves. You ain't gonna be a banker and not be a freemason. It's part of the gig....
BABMusic
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That's the point -- it's difficult to verify them in the moment and it often takes years to later prove it. Epstein island was long considered a conspiracy theory and people laughed it off, until too many leaks were verified. All the lies and propaganda during Covid were another shadow group controlling the country. Some of us could see it before it became obvious in the aftermath.
What's happening right now is a very obvious intentional squeeze on the poor and middle class, designed to make people more angry so that it causes chaos and unrest. Those who have assets are doing okay, and those who don't, they are paying a premium just to get by. This game can't mathematically continue much longer, so we will see a crash in the stock market definitely before 2030. It's all by design and they will try to blame it on capitalism. In reality, it was government that caused it.
What's happening right now is a very obvious intentional squeeze on the poor and middle class, designed to make people more angry so that it causes chaos and unrest. Those who have assets are doing okay, and those who don't, they are paying a premium just to get by. This game can't mathematically continue much longer, so we will see a crash in the stock market definitely before 2030. It's all by design and they will try to blame it on capitalism. In reality, it was government that caused it.
Stumplegriltskin
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Suckas in this country are pacifists. I mean there is the law and I do whatever I can to stay away from it, but just saying when will people get fed up with the government fucking them over constantly? I need to get off the internet. The fucking doom meter off the hook today. Foreclosures, meet shortage, Lindsey Clansey, fucking PIECE OF FUCKING COMMIE SHIT Martha Healey.
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Findthetone1
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Common knowledge of who? You sure you haven't watched too many Dan Brown movies?
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Findthetone1
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You need some therapy is what you need. You're going to blow a gasket with all the anger. I'm not diminishing some of what you believe, I agree with some of it. But it seems like it's eating you up. I wish you all the best to try and find some peace.
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VonBonfire
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I couldn't name a Dan Brown movie. Keep wondering why judges throw the book at bank robbers but let pedophiles and other perverts walk with light sentences. Time to look into the Royal Order of Jesters and figure it out. I guess you think I just blindly listened to a couple YouTube videos and took these positions. Sorry, it's been 35 years of looking at various sources from a variety of places, some of which come from former members themselves. I'd be happy to detail how some of it works but I suspect it would just result in you continually being dismissive of me so doesn't seem like a good use of my time.
CDawg
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonic_Party
The Anti-Masonic Party was the earliest third party in the United States.[11] Formally a single-issue party, it strongly opposed Freemasonry in the United States. It was active from the late 1820s, especially in the Northeastern United States, and later attempted to become a major party by expanding its platform to take positions on other issues. It declined quickly after 1832 as most members joined the new Whig Party; it dissolved after 1838.
The opponents of Freemasonry formed a political movement after the Morgan affair convinced them the Masons were murdering men who spoke out against them.[12] This key episode was the mysterious 1826 disappearance of William Morgan, a Freemason in upstate New York who had turned against the Masons.[13]
Morgan claimed to have been made a member of the Masons while living in Canada[14] and he appears to have briefly attended a lodge in Rochester.[15] In 1825, Morgan received the Royal Arch degree at Le Roy's Western Star Chapter #33, having declared under oath that he had previously received the six degrees which preceded it.[16][17] Whether he actually received these degrees and if so from where has not been determined for certain.[15][16]
Morgan then attempted unsuccessfully to help establish or visit lodges and chapters in Batavia, but was denied participation in Batavia's Masonic activities by members who were uncertain about Morgan's character and claims to Masonic membership.[18] Angered by the rejection, Morgan announced that he was going to publish an exposé titled Illustrations of Masonry,[19] critical of the Freemasons and describing their secret degree ceremonies in detail.[20]
When his intentions became known to the Batavia lodge, an attempt was made to burn down the business of the printer who planned to publish Morgan's book.[21] In September 1826, Morgan was arrested on flimsy allegations of failing to repay a loan and theft of a shirt and tie in an effort to prevent publication of his book by keeping him in jail.[22] The individual who intended to publish Morgan's book paid his bail and he was released from custody.[22] Shortly afterwards, Morgan disappeared.[23]
Some skeptics argued that Morgan had left the Batavia area on his own, either because he had been paid not to publish his book, or to escape Masonic retaliation for attempting to publish the book, or to generate publicity that would boost the book's sales.[24] The generally believed version of events was that Masons killed Morgan by drowning him in the Niagara River.[25][26] Whether he fled or was murdered, Morgan's disappearance led many to believe that Freemasonry was in conflict with good citizenship.[27]
Because judges, businessmen, bankers and politicians were often Masons, ordinary citizens began to think of it as an elitist group.[2] Moreover, many claimed that the lodges' secret oaths bound Masons to favor each other against outsiders in the courts and elsewhere.[3]
The Anti-Masonic Party was the earliest third party in the United States.[11] Formally a single-issue party, it strongly opposed Freemasonry in the United States. It was active from the late 1820s, especially in the Northeastern United States, and later attempted to become a major party by expanding its platform to take positions on other issues. It declined quickly after 1832 as most members joined the new Whig Party; it dissolved after 1838.
The opponents of Freemasonry formed a political movement after the Morgan affair convinced them the Masons were murdering men who spoke out against them.[12] This key episode was the mysterious 1826 disappearance of William Morgan, a Freemason in upstate New York who had turned against the Masons.[13]
Morgan claimed to have been made a member of the Masons while living in Canada[14] and he appears to have briefly attended a lodge in Rochester.[15] In 1825, Morgan received the Royal Arch degree at Le Roy's Western Star Chapter #33, having declared under oath that he had previously received the six degrees which preceded it.[16][17] Whether he actually received these degrees and if so from where has not been determined for certain.[15][16]
Morgan then attempted unsuccessfully to help establish or visit lodges and chapters in Batavia, but was denied participation in Batavia's Masonic activities by members who were uncertain about Morgan's character and claims to Masonic membership.[18] Angered by the rejection, Morgan announced that he was going to publish an exposé titled Illustrations of Masonry,[19] critical of the Freemasons and describing their secret degree ceremonies in detail.[20]
When his intentions became known to the Batavia lodge, an attempt was made to burn down the business of the printer who planned to publish Morgan's book.[21] In September 1826, Morgan was arrested on flimsy allegations of failing to repay a loan and theft of a shirt and tie in an effort to prevent publication of his book by keeping him in jail.[22] The individual who intended to publish Morgan's book paid his bail and he was released from custody.[22] Shortly afterwards, Morgan disappeared.[23]
Some skeptics argued that Morgan had left the Batavia area on his own, either because he had been paid not to publish his book, or to escape Masonic retaliation for attempting to publish the book, or to generate publicity that would boost the book's sales.[24] The generally believed version of events was that Masons killed Morgan by drowning him in the Niagara River.[25][26] Whether he fled or was murdered, Morgan's disappearance led many to believe that Freemasonry was in conflict with good citizenship.[27]
Because judges, businessmen, bankers and politicians were often Masons, ordinary citizens began to think of it as an elitist group.[2] Moreover, many claimed that the lodges' secret oaths bound Masons to favor each other against outsiders in the courts and elsewhere.[3]
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VonBonfire
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BOOMSHAKALAKA.
CDawg dropping little known facts. Already recognized as a group with a negative influence on society 200 years ago....
Nice work.
How can they control society from inside though? Oh wait....
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VonBonfire
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Pike, one of the "leading" minds of freemasonry and his now classic quote:
CDawg
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Findthetone1
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Not dismissing anything. Your posts seem based on speculations, assumption and possibly bad experience with law enforcement. Oh yeah, and watching videos. Are there bad judges that may also be corrupt? It certainly seems so. Are there bad cops? Unfortunately. The inconsistencies with regards to certain types of case outcomes may be due to that. Or it could be because the system is really needing an overhaul in a lot of areas.
This isn't the 19th or early 20th century. There isn't some secret society running law enforcement or the judicial system. Are some of them Masons? Of course. But I'd say it's a small percentage. I'd say the "secret society" of influence are the useless fucking politicians. And that's no secret.
And any street level cop making the 6 figures you seem so miffed at is doing it through off duty details and/or court time.
Maybe you should think about this comment.
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VonBonfire
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You'd say? Source?
I just showed you how even a guy running a podunk bank in Iowa was a mason...
Donald Trump famously described his childhood pastor, Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, by saying, "You could listen to him all day long. And when you left the church, you were disappointed it was over. He was the greatest guy."
Norman Vincent Peale was a 33rd-degree Scottish Rite Freemason and member of Midwood Lodge No. 1062 in Brooklyn, New York, though widely circulated photographs of him specifically wearing formal Masonic regalia are not standard or publicly verified in mainstream historical archives
Ephesians 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.Ain't nothing but a "G" thang bro
Anyways, I won't interfere with your decision to slumber any further.
BABMusic
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There's a huge amount of our judicial system that won't even touch the Epstein list. That's not because they don't want to. It's because they are told not to. That's why I don't have respect for our courts.
Geo
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We've come a long way from waiting for Walter Cronkite to tell us what to believe.
This shit has been going on forever, now we know within seconds repeatedly.
Geo
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I Don't know if you can use this as an example.
There were so many willing participants, and or paid off to keep quiet, it would take a millennia to figure out exactly who was a victim.
And secondly, the epstein situation pales in comparison to what goes on everyday in hollywood.
If everyone is so appalled, why don't we do anything about hollywood?
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VonBonfire
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I just listened to some boomer on another forum lament about how we don't have Walter Cronkite anymore. That's what you're up against. Some slaves love the sound of their chains rattling as it imparts a feeling of security and stability. Stockholm syndrome.
And just since I been on the subject...Cronkite is on record as being a member of the Order of Demolay, a youth organization sponsored by freemasonry for boys/men 12-21. As was Bill Clinton. Cronkite supposedly never joined a regular lodge, but is honored in many lodges. He also recorded his voice for the owl at the Bohemian Grove for the cremation of care ceremony, and was a member there. You can't make this stuff up.
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Findthetone1
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You didn't show me ANY source, guy. You referenced your wife's now passed grandfather and DJT talking about his pastor. And THAT'S proof?
Hell, my now passed grandfather was a fucking barber and was also a Mason. I assure you, he wasn't running or influencing the country.
How about staying in the current century? You did a cheerleader backflip about a 200-year-old year old quote. You know what else was also commonplace and accepted 200 years ago? Human Slavery in the United States.
CDawg
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This is the most informative Epstein survivor I've heard from. Heather Wellington claims she was trafficked for thirty years from age two to thirty-two. Heather claims that:
Epstein was a Mossad agent and Ghislaine Maxwell was his case officer.
Many intelligence agencies from Israel, UK and USA are involved in the Epstein files.
Ghislaine Maxwell had a spy school training children for sexual blackmail and espionage. She personally trained hundreds or thousands of children.
In her spare time Ghislaine Maxwell likes cutting the heads off of babies.
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