Is the economy really as bad as they're saying?

[Geo]

You didn't show me ANY source, guy. You referenced your wife's now passed grandfather and DJT talking about his pastor. And THAT'S proof?
Hell, my now passed grandfather was a fucking barber and was also a Mason. I assure you, he wasn't running or influencing the country.
How about staying in the current century? You did a cheerleader backflip about a 200-year-old year old quote. You know what else was also commonplace and accepted 200 years ago? Human Slavery in the United States.

If you think it's BS maybe look into it for yourself. It's not VB's job to convince you.

I tell you the sky is blue but I can't prove it, or give you source.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

 

[BABMusic]

I Don't know if you can use this as an example.

There were so many willing participants, and or paid off to keep quiet, it would take a millennia to figure out exactly who was a victim.

And secondly, the epstein situation pales in comparison to what goes on everyday in hollywood.

If everyone is so appalled, why don't we do anything about hollywood?

Not saying you're wrong, but is it really worse today in Hollywood than it was in decades prior? I didn't know that. I assumed that it would be somewhat better now, since it's well known about the predators of the past and also, Weinstein.

If you ever watch those predator catching videos on YT, you'll notice that there's a huge variation of how the cops choose to deal (or not deal) with the crimes. New Hampshire for example, it's very difficult to get the cops to do anything about it.

 

[VonBonfire]

If you think it's BS maybe look into it for yourself. It's not VB's job to convince you.

He's one of those guys who won't believe anything until it's being put in his face on the evening news. He doesn't understand that the control apparatus requires all types from barbers to bankers and everything in between and not every dope at the bottom rungs paying their lodge dues is privy to what those in the higher ranks are doing.

It's no surprise then that any town above about 5k people has a masonic lodge, and it's members generally make up the majority of the most financially successful and most connected/powerful people in a given area. Kyle Tx has the masonic square and compass on every building of note and even installed obelisks on the overpass, which basically is a stylized penis. Only a clueless fool or a sick bastard would want that.

 

[Geo]

Not saying you're wrong, but is it really worse today in Hollywood than it was in decades prior? I didn't know that. I assumed that it would be somewhat better now, since it's well known about the predators of the past and also, Weinstein.

Saw a Jenna Jeameson interview where she said that the epstien situation is just the tip of the mountain compared to hollywood.

Weinstein is just one of probably millions of influential rapists. Just look at the porn industry.

 

[Findthetone1]

If you think it's BS maybe look into it for yourself. It's not VB's job to convince you.

I tell you the sky is blue but I can't prove it, or give you source.

Hold on now. If I'm in the discussion this deep, it's probably for a good reason. Though his statement covered a large swath of people, I am questioning about a certain segment of it.
To clarify, and borrow your sky analogy, if he, or you, or anyone said the sky was paisley, I can clearly argue that because I have knowledge the the sky is blue.

 

[Findthetone1]

He's one of those guys who won't believe anything until it's being put in his face on the evening news. He doesn't understand that the control apparatus requires all types from barbers to bankers and everything in between and not every dope at the bottom rungs paying their lodge dues is privy to what those in the higher ranks are doing.

It's no surprise then that any town above about 5k people has a masonic lodge, and it's members generally make up the majority of the most financially successful and most connected/powerful people in a given area. Kyle Tx has the masonic square and compass on every building of note and even installed obelisks on the overpass, which basically is a stylized penis. Only a clueless fool or a sick bastard would want that.

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You see? Now you're just falling into the same excuses the OT Cunt sisters do and that's being lazy. The only time I turn on the news, is for severe weather.
Every town has tire stores too. Is everything in the US being manipulated by the Michelin man?
But if you want to hold on to this one too, I'll file it in your absurd folder.

 

[VonBonfire]

You see? Now you're just falling into the same excuses the OT Cunt sisters do and that's being lazy. The only time I turn on the news, is for severe weather.
Every town has tire stores too. Is everything in the US being manipulated by the Michelin man?
But if you want to hold on to this one too, I'll file it in your absurd folder.

Me and Cdawg provided links but then you chose to doubt them because it dates back to the nations founding, and obvious masons in positions of power up until the time of WWII. As though people holding key positions of power just completely abandoned it as an organization when it's clearly something alive and well even in small town USA, never mind just about every other nation. Anyways, enjoy your cartoon weather network programming.

 

[Findthetone1]

Me and Cdawg provided links but then you chose to doubt them because it dates back to the nations founding, and obvious masons in positions of power up until the time of WWII. As though people holding key positions of power just completely abandoned it as an organization when it's clearly something alive and well even in small town USA, never mind just about every other nation. Anyways, enjoy your cartoon weather network programming.

I understand the past history of the Masons. Some of it proven, some of it still theory. Your points of reference are from happenings 200 years ago. It's 2026. I'm looking for your reference to current, modern day influences.

 

[VonBonfire]

I understand the past history of the Masons. Some of it proven, some of it still theory. Your points of reference are from happenings 200 years ago. It's 2026. I'm looking for your reference to current, modern day influences.

I didn't know Harry Truman was 200 years ago. How about Gerald Ford? I didn't know Donald Trump being in awe of Vincent Peale was 200 years ago. Or Walter Cronkite or Bill Clinton being DeMolay. Even with public disclosures of membership there are quite a few powerful people connected to it.

Your argument was your grandfather cut hair 75 years ago and was a mason who wasn't in charge of anything. You wanted sources and they were provided, then after criticizing those sources for their age you replied by saying "I think..." and didn't provide any sources to backup your opinion. Not sure anyone is going to be able to have a discussion if you choose to be that obstinate. I could post a link from this year and you could claim "well that was in the past", kind of a strawman...

 

[Findthetone1]

I didn't know Harry Truman was 200 years ago. How about Gerald Ford? I didn't know Donald Trump being in awe of Vincent Peale was 200 years ago. Or Walter Cronkite or Bill Clinton being DeMolay. Even with public disclosures of membership there are quite a few powerful people connected to it.

Your argument was your grandfather cut hair 75 years ago and was a mason who wasn't in charge of anything. You wanted sources and they were provided, then after criticizing those sources for their age you replied by saying "I think..." and didn't provide any sources to backup your opinion. Not sure anyone is going to be able to have a discussion if you choose to be that obstinate. I could post a link from this year and you could claim "well that was in the past", kind of a strawman...

Lol. OK guy, you hold on to that, and I'll live in the present day. Not that I don't appreciate history, I very much do. I just don't make my arguments about current day activities based on dead guys and 200 year old thoughts.
Trump made a comment about his pastor that is a Mason and all of the sudden they run everything with him.....

 

[Robostyle]

Scroll and Key, Skull and Bones, Freemasons, etc.
Some fishy stuff going on with these groups imho.
I don't claim to know exactly what, though.

 

[CDawg]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonic_Party

If the first anti masonic party in USA doesn't count then what about the second one?

Jonathan Blanchard, founder of the Anti-Masonic Party's second incarnation
A later political organization called the Anti-Masonic Party, or American Party, was active from 1872 until 1884. This second group had a more religious basis for its anti-Masonry, and was founded by the National Christian Association (NCA) and Jonathan Blanchard of Wheaton College.[75] The party nominated candidates in four United States presidential elections but only participated in two before eventually merging into the Prohibition Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonry

Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Spain and the USSR? I wonder why all those countries banned Freemasonry around WW2?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry_in_Asia

Following the establishment of the People's Republic of China, however, Masonic activities were prohibited on the mainland, forcing lodges to either cease operations or relocate to Hong Kong [4]and Taiwan. The Grand Lodge of China relocated to Taiwan in 1954 and officially resumed its activities in 1955. Consequently, there are currently no recognized or regular Masonic organizations operating within mainland China.

Freemasonry was introduced to Pakistan during the era of the British empire. Masonic organisations continued in the country until they were completely ousted in 1972 by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and again by Zia-ul-Haq in 1983. America's greatest mediator still has a ban on Freemasonry.

Most of Americas other Middle East allies like Saudia Arabia currently have a ban in on Freemasonry.

Besides China I wonder about America's enemies like Iran? Banned Freemasonry too.

300+ year span of Freemasonry bans in many countries including some of the most populous countries today like China and Pakistan.

 

[VonBonfire]

Lol. OK guy, you hold on to that, and I'll live in the present day. Not that I don't appreciate history, I very much do. I just don't make my arguments about current day activities based on dead guys and 200 year old thoughts.
Trump made a comment about his pastor that is a Mason and all of the sudden they run everything with him.....

Gerald Ford was president 200 years ago, honk honk.

Are you suggesting time isn't linear? That's pretty out there stuff man. Seems like contrarian bullshit to me.

 

[Findthetone1]

Gerald Ford was president 200 years ago, honk honk.

Are you suggesting time isn't linear? That's pretty out there stuff man. Seems like contrarian bullshit to me.

Would be why my statement was dead guys AND 200-year-old thoughts. What was that about context you were talking about yesterday?
If you want to think what went on decades ago is exactly what is still going on, have at it. You suggested that the world of Law Enforcement and the Judicial System is run by the Masons. I merely was looking for what you would consider verifiable evidence of that other than "I watched videos".
You do you, homey.

 

[harddriver]

It is far worse than anyone thinks. All the dumb idiots on the Trump wagon are too blind to see it. They're too busy watching their stocks go up and are under the illusion that everything is great. IDIOTS. Trump only cares about himself and all his oligarch friends. I don't know why that is such a hard concept for people to grasp. Better than the democRats? Perhaps, but two fish swimming in the same sea of CORRUPTION.

I don't want to agree with you, but I judge Trump on his actions on what is getting done and what is not getting done and whether or not he has kept any of his campaign promises and having voted for him three times I believe he is a Trojan horse to mollify the right while he and the tech bros are implementing Agenda 2030 as nothing is impeding them not even Trump as he now tells Americans to just suck it up and accept the AI data centers being built to violate US Citizens 4th amendment on a scale that the judicial system won't even address or can't. So who is funding all these Data centers and Flock cameras, I'll bet if you dig you will find it is the American taxpayer and you didn't VOTE for any of this shit, I think the Trump voter voted for the complete opposite, yet look at what we are witnessing. If one wanted to absolutely bankrupt a country to bring in another GREAT DEPRESSION to user in Agenda 2030 you would do exactly what the United States is doing. 40 Trillion and if you consider the unfunded liabilities it's closer to 200-300 trillion and the debt service is unpayable at this point.

For me it just illustrates that the position of president has been relegated to a performative puppet since at least JFK that in the end caters to the oligarchy and war machine.

This country is an corporate/technocrat/international banking oligarchy masquerading as a Republic/Democracy, that's why no matter which party is in power the agenda continues to implemented. I hope and pray I am wrong but I know I don't like what I see, regardless of where the stock market is valued if in the end those profits and saving will erode to nothing due to debasing the currency up to absolute bankruptcy to user in digital currency for full and ultimate control over private transactions.

Here's an interesting discussion.

 

[VonBonfire]

You suggested that the world of Law Enforcement and the Judicial System is run by the Masons. I merely was looking for what you would consider verifiable evidence of that other than "I watched videos".
You do you, homey.

There is a deep historical tie in the US with masonry in positions of power, something I demonstrated happening until at least the 70's with Ford and others. To imagine it just disappeared is akin to democrats pretending like they weren't the party of the racism after civil rights while still supporting klansmen like Robert Byrd (another freemason btw).

 

[harddriver]

Yes, I agree but we still live better than anyone else in the world because of it.

Until the rug gets pulled like in 1929. There was a reason the international bankers tried multiple times to implement a Central Bank in the US and only due to Andrew Jackson it was repealed/defeated and it appears the banks finally got their claws into the US before/during and after the Civil War but only officially implemented the Federal Reserve Central Bank in 1913. This was no mistake, as of since 1913 the US government no longer truly represents the citizens except the gaslighting and window dressing they put on the incoming tyranny...again I hope that I am wrong.

 

[VonBonfire]

I believe he is a Trojan horse to mollify the right while he and the tech bros are implementing Agenda 2030

100%

Until the rug gets pulled like in 1929. There was a reason the international bankers tried multiple times to implement a Central Bank in the US and only due to Andrew Jackson it was repealed/defeated and it appears the banks finally got their claws into the US before/during and after the Civil War but only officially implemented the Federal Reserve Central Bank in 1913. This was no mistake, as of since 1913 the US government no longer truly represents the citizens except the gaslighting and window dressing they put on the incoming tyranny...again I hope that I am wrong.

100%. It's going to be a short lived authoritarian global surveillance society, the kingdom of antichrist. Since Satan isn't omniscient his only way to imitate God is to set up monster levels of surveillance. I suspect a Carrington event of historical proportions will bring it all down in the twinkling of an eye, which will coincide with the return of our Lord but I suppose that's me being speculative, and hopeful.

 

[BABMusic]

Until the rug gets pulled like in 1929. There was a reason the international bankers tried multiple times to implement a Central Bank in the US and only due to Andrew Jackson it was repealed/defeated and it appears the banks finally got their claws into the US before/during and after the Civil War but only officially implemented the Federal Reserve Central Bank in 1913. This was no mistake, as of since 1913 the US government no longer truly represents the citizens except the gaslighting and window dressing they put on the incoming tyranny...again I hope that I am wrong.

Well, this guy gets it. I've never seen a more obvious time in my life where things are so overvalued and very few recognize that this rug is about to be pulled.