John Mayer show in Houston

[Random Hero]

Like Alien said, he's a pop musician and good at writing crap that sells. His tone, i don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a Strat plugged into a Twin, not that hard to duplicate really.

But funny thing with me is, Mayer could be the greatest guitar player ever and i still wouldn't listen to him because i can't stand his voice, and i don't like his songs.

Van Halen's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a PAF equipped Superstrat plugged into a raging Marshall, not that hard to duplicate really.

Petrucci's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like an Ibanez/Music Man plugged into a Mark series Boogie, not that hard to duplicate really.

Aldrich's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a Les Paul into an overgained Cameron Marshall, not that hard to duplicate really.



My point? You could apply that thinking to anything if you have sufficient disdain for it.

 

[charveldan]

He should stick to the boring clean stuff.

 

[King Crimson]

Wow. Tell us how you really feel. Dude has won a Grammy, sells out stadiums across the country and is endorsed by Fender. Must be doing something right.

 

[King Crimson]

Wow. Tell us how you really feel. Dude has won a Grammy, sells out stadiums across the country and is endorsed by Fender. Must be doing something right.

I suppose that's why Mr. DN is playing a chambered PRS - right Mr. PV?

And, no tone, no talent other than his bobble head on the sofa...

"YOUR BODY IS A WONDERLAND" what fudge packer is the DN referring to?

 

[thiswaythatway]

Like Alien said, he's a pop musician and good at writing crap that sells. His tone, i don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a Strat plugged into a Twin, not that hard to duplicate really.

But funny thing with me is, Mayer could be the greatest guitar player ever and i still wouldn't listen to him because i can't stand his voice, and i don't like his songs.

Van Halen's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a PAF equipped Superstrat plugged into a raging Marshall, not that hard to duplicate really.

Petrucci's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like an Ibanez/Music Man plugged into a Mark series Boogie, not that hard to duplicate really.

Aldrich's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a Les Paul into an overgained Cameron Marshall, not that hard to duplicate really.



My point? You could apply that thinking to anything if you have sufficient disdain for it.

Really? Really? Go ahead then, plug in a strat into a nice Fender amp and tell me you're not getting a clean tone that get what Mayer is getting

Go ahead then and try and duplicate those tones you mentioned and tell me which is the easiest the get. People haven't been chasing Van Halen's tone for 33 years now because any PAF loaded into a Marshall can get it.

And with VH, Aldrich, Petrucci, the playing is going to be a LOT harder to dupilcate compared to Mayer's playing.

 

[Random Hero]

Like Alien said, he's a pop musician and good at writing crap that sells. His tone, i don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a Strat plugged into a Twin, not that hard to duplicate really.

But funny thing with me is, Mayer could be the greatest guitar player ever and i still wouldn't listen to him because i can't stand his voice, and i don't like his songs.

Van Halen's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a PAF equipped Superstrat plugged into a raging Marshall, not that hard to duplicate really.

Petrucci's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like an Ibanez/Music Man plugged into a Mark series Boogie, not that hard to duplicate really.

Aldrich's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a Les Paul into an overgained Cameron Marshall, not that hard to duplicate really.



My point? You could apply that thinking to anything if you have sufficient disdain for it.

Really? Really? Go ahead then, plug in a strat into a nice Fender amp and tell me you're not getting a clean tone that get what Mayer is getting

Go ahead then and try and duplicate those tones you mentioned and tell me which is the easiest the get. People haven't been chasing Van Halen's tone for 33 years now because any PAF loaded into a Marshall can get it.

And with VH, Aldrich, Petrucci, the playing is going to be a LOT harder to dupilcate compared to Mayer's playing.

My post wasn't meant to be taken literally, I was more making the point that you have obvious distaste for Mayer and so it's easy for you to say his tone is just easy to get. That's like me saying heavy metal tones are easy to get. All you need is a high gain amp, scoop out the mids and some hot pickups. See how easy that is?

I do concede that the EVH one is different but the reason people don't sound like him is that they don't play like him. Eddie sounds like Eddie through whatever he uses, and it's far more to do with him than it is to do with his gear. His tone is way more him than it is any gear. But Petrucci? Aldrich? Every guy on YouTube with a Mark Series and EBMM is getting pretty close to Petrucci's tone, and Aldrich's is an overgained abomination anyway.

And I'm sorry dude, I simply disagree with the playing aspect. Why is it "harder" to play something Aldrich and Petrucci play? Because it's fast and shreddy? Come on, this is just a typical rocker response; deriding someone who plays cleaner, slower, often blusier stuff as being more limited simply because what or how they play doesn't conform to what you consider to be "talent". To suggest that Mayer isn't a good player is just ridiculous.

IMO, of the two vids below, the first is no easier to play convincingly than the second. Two totally different styles but neither is "harder" than the other as they require different skillsets. Mayer couldn't play the stuff in the Petrucci clip to the same convincing level and visa versa but it doesn't mean one of them is any less talented, surely? For me, being able to play fast technical things really aren't the only criteria for a great guitar player. Petrucci is hard to replicate because of the sheer technical level of his playing. The Mayer vid I posted is hard to replicate because of the clean tone, the rhythms, the muting and general feel. Different skills, different talents.

I know which I found harder to do consistently well whilst making it actually sound any good but hey, that's just me.

 

[Bishop5150]

Wow. Tell us how you really feel. Dude has won a Grammy, sells out stadiums across the country and is endorsed by Fender. Must be doing something right.

I suppose that's why Mr. DN is playing a chambered PRS - right Mr. PV?

And, no tone, no talent other than his bobble head on the sofa...

"YOUR BODY IS A WONDERLAND" what fudge packer is the DN referring to?

I get that you don't like the guy. We all get that you don't like the guys playing, tone, face, voice, and his gear but has a great bobble head. I bet you give great bobble.... nevermind. But please don't tell me that I need "to return my education" because I like something that you find repulsive. Bitterman much? What DO you like? What is good tone to you and who has it? What is worthy of gracing your ears?

 

[Ancient Alien]

Like Alien said, he's a pop musician and good at writing crap that sells. His tone, i don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a Strat plugged into a Twin, not that hard to duplicate really.

But funny thing with me is, Mayer could be the greatest guitar player ever and i still wouldn't listen to him because i can't stand his voice, and i don't like his songs.

Van Halen's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a PAF equipped Superstrat plugged into a raging Marshall, not that hard to duplicate really.

Petrucci's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like an Ibanez/Music Man plugged into a Mark series Boogie, not that hard to duplicate really.

Aldrich's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a Les Paul into an overgained Cameron Marshall, not that hard to duplicate really.



My point? You could apply that thinking to anything if you have sufficient disdain for it.

Really? Really? Go ahead then, plug in a strat into a nice Fender amp and tell me you're not getting a clean tone that get what Mayer is getting

Go ahead then and try and duplicate those tones you mentioned and tell me which is the easiest the get. People haven't been chasing Van Halen's tone for 33 years now because any PAF loaded into a Marshall can get it.

And with VH, Aldrich, Petrucci, the playing is going to be a LOT harder to dupilcate compared to Mayer's playing.

My post wasn't meant to be taken literally, I was more making the point that you have obvious distaste for Mayer and so it's easy for you to say his tone is just easy to get. That's like me saying heavy metal tones are easy to get. All you need is a high gain amp, scoop out the mids and some hot pickups. See how easy that is?

I do concede that the EVH one is different but the reason people don't sound like him is that they don't play like him. Eddie sounds like Eddie through whatever he uses, and it's far more to do with him than it is to do with his gear. His tone is way more him than it is any gear. But Petrucci? Aldrich? Every guy on YouTube with a Mark Series and EBMM is getting pretty close to Petrucci's tone, and Aldrich's is an overgained abomination anyway.

And I'm sorry dude, I simply disagree with the playing aspect. Why is it "harder" to play something Aldrich and Petrucci play? Because it's fast and shreddy? Come on, this is just a typical rocker response; deriding someone who plays cleaner, slower, often blusier stuff as being more limited simply because what or how they play doesn't conform to what you consider to be "talent". To suggest that Mayer isn't a good player is just ridiculous.

IMO, of the two vids below, the first is no easier to play convincingly than the second. Two totally different styles but neither is "harder" than the other as they require different skillsets. Mayer couldn't play the stuff in the Petrucci clip to the same convincing level and visa versa but it doesn't mean one of them is any less talented, surely? For me, being able to play fast technical things really aren't the only criteria for a great guitar player. Petrucci is hard to replicate because of the sheer technical level of his playing. The Mayer vid I posted is hard to replicate because of the clean tone, the rhythms, the muting and general feel. Different skills, different talents.

I know which I found harder to do consistently well whilst making it actually sound any good but hey, that's just me.

Well, I would have to say that is a bad comparison song for song. I'm no JP fanboy, but JM couldn't tie JP's shoes as far as playing ability.
To me, I respect JM's place in music, but all he does is play SRV/Hendrix licks on everything.
He's a great pop writer, but I would never consider him a master of the guitar.
He's just good at what he does.

 

[Random Hero]

Like Alien said, he's a pop musician and good at writing crap that sells. His tone, i don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a Strat plugged into a Twin, not that hard to duplicate really.

But funny thing with me is, Mayer could be the greatest guitar player ever and i still wouldn't listen to him because i can't stand his voice, and i don't like his songs.

Van Halen's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a PAF equipped Superstrat plugged into a raging Marshall, not that hard to duplicate really.

Petrucci's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like an Ibanez/Music Man plugged into a Mark series Boogie, not that hard to duplicate really.

Aldrich's tone, I don't see the big deal either. It sounds like a Les Paul into an overgained Cameron Marshall, not that hard to duplicate really.



My point? You could apply that thinking to anything if you have sufficient disdain for it.

Really? Really? Go ahead then, plug in a strat into a nice Fender amp and tell me you're not getting a clean tone that get what Mayer is getting

Go ahead then and try and duplicate those tones you mentioned and tell me which is the easiest the get. People haven't been chasing Van Halen's tone for 33 years now because any PAF loaded into a Marshall can get it.

And with VH, Aldrich, Petrucci, the playing is going to be a LOT harder to dupilcate compared to Mayer's playing.

My post wasn't meant to be taken literally, I was more making the point that you have obvious distaste for Mayer and so it's easy for you to say his tone is just easy to get. That's like me saying heavy metal tones are easy to get. All you need is a high gain amp, scoop out the mids and some hot pickups. See how easy that is?

I do concede that the EVH one is different but the reason people don't sound like him is that they don't play like him. Eddie sounds like Eddie through whatever he uses, and it's far more to do with him than it is to do with his gear. His tone is way more him than it is any gear. But Petrucci? Aldrich? Every guy on YouTube with a Mark Series and EBMM is getting pretty close to Petrucci's tone, and Aldrich's is an overgained abomination anyway.

And I'm sorry dude, I simply disagree with the playing aspect. Why is it "harder" to play something Aldrich and Petrucci play? Because it's fast and shreddy? Come on, this is just a typical rocker response; deriding someone who plays cleaner, slower, often blusier stuff as being more limited simply because what or how they play doesn't conform to what you consider to be "talent". To suggest that Mayer isn't a good player is just ridiculous.

IMO, of the two vids below, the first is no easier to play convincingly than the second. Two totally different styles but neither is "harder" than the other as they require different skillsets. Mayer couldn't play the stuff in the Petrucci clip to the same convincing level and visa versa but it doesn't mean one of them is any less talented, surely? For me, being able to play fast technical things really aren't the only criteria for a great guitar player. Petrucci is hard to replicate because of the sheer technical level of his playing. The Mayer vid I posted is hard to replicate because of the clean tone, the rhythms, the muting and general feel. Different skills, different talents.

I know which I found harder to do consistently well whilst making it actually sound any good but hey, that's just me.

Well, I would have to say that is a bad comparison song for song. I'm no JP fanboy, but JM couldn't tie JP's shoes as far as playing ability.
To me, I respect JM's place in music, but all he does is play SRV/Hendrix licks on everything.
He's a great pop writer, but I would never consider him a master of the guitar.
He's just good at what he does.

Yeah, it's supposed to be an extreme example, but that's exactly the point I'm trying to make. He's good at what he does. I hate this opinion that faster/more technical = more talent by default. There is so much more to it than that to me. I'm a Petrucci fan but I don't think he could play that Mayer clip anything like that. It's all relative.

 

[Ancient Alien]

Yeah, it's supposed to be an extreme example, but that's exactly the point I'm trying to make. He's good at what he does. I hate this opinion that faster/more technical = more talent by default. There is so much more to it than that to me I'm a Petrucci fan but I don't think he could play that Mayer clip anything like that. It's all relative.

Actually, John is pretty damn good at the SRV/Hendrix Style.
I've known him almost 30 years and he use to jam that stuff all the time when he was a local teacher.
But you are right.
Too many people make guitar playing some kind of non-existent competition.
It really comes down to what you like and enjoy listening to.
I love technically advanced players that can shred, yet I can only take about 3 seconds of Yngwie before I get bored, yet he's a masterful player.
You can't discredit people for what they are good at.
So, I think we agree

 

[Joeytpg]

petrucci couldn't play a BB king song convincingly to save his life, and we all know how simply BB's guitar licks are. But it's all about the FEEL. In blues is all about the feel

Here's John playing with BB and holding on perfectly well with BB, because the guy has FEEL in his playing.

that said, Petrucci is a master at what he does.

 

[Spaceboy]

This sounds like an argument of talent verse skill. I always think of talent as a natural ability, feel and rhythm to a player, while skill is a compilation of learned techniques and application of theory. John Mayer is definitely a talented player, and of course he doesn't possess the skill of John Petrucci, but these are musicians from different worlds and should be appreciated for being good at the particular brand of music they create.

 

[Bishop5150]

This sounds like an argument of talent verse skill. I always think of talent as a natural ability, feel and rhythm to a player, while skill is a compilation of learned techniques and application of theory. John Mayer is definitely a talented player, and of course he doesn't possess the skill of John Petrucci, but these are musicians from different worlds and should be appreciated for being good at the particular brand of music they create.

Well put.

 

[RaceU4her]

im off to my lesson with the dude who taught john mayer now i want to learn some of them blues

 

[Random Hero]

This sounds like an argument of talent verse skill. I always think of talent as a natural ability, feel and rhythm to a player, while skill is a compilation of learned techniques and application of theory. John Mayer is definitely a talented player, and of course he doesn't possess the skill of John Petrucci, but these are musicians from different worlds and should be appreciated for being good at the particular brand of music they create.

Very well put.

 

[thegame]

Mayer rhymes with Slayer.

Perhaps he will do a smooth R & B version of Raining Blood one day.

 

[headlessdeadguy]

petrucci couldn't play a BB king song convincingly to save his life, and we all know how simply BB's guitar licks are. But it's all about the FEEL. In blues is all about the feel

Here's John playing with BB and holding on perfectly well with BB, because the guy has FEEL in his playing.

that said, Petrucci is a master at what he does.

You can let go of the JMs nutsack now Joey.

 

[King Crimson]

im off to my lesson with the dude who taught john mayer now i want to learn some of them blues

Wow, how impressive!!!

Take your skillet with you too so you can learn how to scramble them eggs right there down there – ye haw...

 

[King Crimson]

First of all BB queen douche nozzel sucks back wood willow shrubs (always has sucked), and JM sucks,...well you know.

Also, BB queens vibrato is nothing more than cat crap.

 

[Joeytpg]

petrucci couldn't play a BB king song convincingly to save his life, and we all know how simply BB's guitar licks are. But it's all about the FEEL. In blues is all about the feel

Here's John playing with BB and holding on perfectly well with BB, because the guy has FEEL in his playing.

that said, Petrucci is a master at what he does.

You can let go of the JMs nutsack now Joey.

only if you give me yours so I can hold them