Indeed they do. Try playing Nintendo's original NES Duck Hunt with the Zapper Gun on a LCD tv.
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That's exactly what alot us of have been saying throughout this entire travesty of a thread. I lost track how many times people said the Aussie EVH tone was album correct and fantastic, now the feel and dynamics on the stage for the guitar player is another story .That last Kemper video is pretty damn awesome though!
It's like claiming valve computers (original computers) do something modern microprocessor computers can't. That tube TVs do something that can't be recreated by computers and LED/LCD systems. That tube radios do something that can't be replicated by an app on a phone. That 35mm camera images can't be replicated by digital ones.
I don't disagree with them being art forms but I will disagree with valve purists who claim valve amplifiers can't be profiled by today's technology. I own and play with valve amps and profilers. I don't make those claims though because they are just objectively false to make. Truth matters. Profilers accomplished this task 10 years ago.Not to pile on but I don't think those are good analogies. Music through amps (or a modeler) is an art form. Music in general. Most would argue that photography is to, regardless of analog or DSLR but I know photographers that swear by there old non digital cameras.
I like the minuscule nuances and flaws that real amps produce.
Fine.I just don’t want to read the words “golden ears” anymore.
Agreed, modelers are getting close, but not there yet. I had a Kemper and did not like it. It was the feel I didn’t like.Well, if your ears hear that they are equal then good for you. The GAS that affects most of us on this board should not be a problem for you; since you feel that the modelers are there. That is something you should be very happy with.
For most of this board these modelers are not there yet. When we feel they are equal, and they give me the same feel/response that a tube amp gives us then it will be a great day since we will be able to buy one to rule them all.
It'll save us a ton of cash, that's for sure. But, that day unfortunately hasn't arrived yet. Not to my ears anyway.
Is anyone who prefers playing a tube amp over a modeler a 'valve purist'? Or does one have to have grown up on tubes,I will disagree with valve purists
I don't think anyone has made this claim. Correct me if I'm wrong.who claim valve amplifiers can't be profiled by today's technology.
See above.I don't make those claims though because they are just objectively false to make.
What truth is it of which you speak?Truth matters.
Again, I don't think anyone is arguing that profilers can't model tube amps.Profilers accomplished this task 10 years ago.
I think the discussion becomes murky once you start comparing a Kemper with a Two Notes product that still requires an actual tube amp as input.
I have used modelers on and off since the Boss GT-3 era, then a Digitech Genesis 3 (which I found more interesting at the time than a POD 2.0), but that Digitech also grew very plasticy on me. Years later bought a used POD x3, so that I would at least have that Soldano based Line6 High Gain again, plus more tweakability than what the PODxt offered...
these days I use it for rough demo tracks only. My Two Notes Torpedo Live is something else, but...it requires a tube amp as input. It doesn't do amp modelling.
Never used a Kemper, but personally I wasn't that impressed with the 3rd video (Italian guy) doing the EVH comparison. One thing you notice, is when you hear Ed's guitar solo and THEN his guitar, the difference is quite there. But the rest of the time he plays ALONGSIDE Ed's sound, so that makes it less clear (unless you're sitting here with a L/R control on your headphones).
That's not to say I haven't heard impressive Kemper tones, FWIW.
You're the one being presented with differing opinions and you STILL want to prove you're the one who's right.Not being that impressed with what he did says plenty about valve purists though. How do you think you come across to others? That you have good taste or are being a bit conceited? You also set all sorts of standards here for yourself and your playing to meet. I must be talking to someone who can play and sound exactly like EvH. Are you that good?
I know right?What is the deal with the hostile defences? If you like it use it. Period.
Harddriver in another thread pointed out that the guitarist isn't using the pre-amp section of the Plexi.
Which is correct. It looks like it is a slave setup. Marshall power section is why most of us use a Marshall anyway. The Marshall power stage is where the Marshall tone is mainly at.
When you dial in a Marshall you dial the Power Stage first to get the distortion you want and then turn the gain up to taste.