Simon Dorn
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Techdeth
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You making an album ?
Simon Dorn
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I made 3 with my current Band. Hopefully we make another one. We'll see.
Techdeth
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Send me a kick of your favorite song you made . Wanna hear
Simon Dorn
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Techdeth
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Hell ya
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BenoA
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I am curious how much did you pay? I see the 100w model still on sale at 2499$ same price as the 25w.
My local L&M had a boxing day clearance on the floor model for like 1699$. I was gone as soon as the store was opened on the 26th. I was out of town for the holiday as I would probably go and grab it.
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0:00 Marshall
2:00 Mesa
4:01 Marshall Left/Mesa right
Little background: I sold my Marshall, got the Boogie, thought wtf?
(last post) and got a new used 2203 immediately again.
I like the new 2203 better than the one i had before. Not sure if i need the Boogie though. The Marshall just speaks to me so much more. I gotta accept that.
This riff/clip sounds sick as fuck. But I think that you are really dialing both amps to the same territory, and what I might suggest, is keeping the recto dialed this way, and dial the marshall more uppermid and play them in stereo with their more natural voicing. I think you might be surprised how massive that sound is.
Simon Dorn
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Thank you. At first i had the Mesa dialed like this:
I thought it was too scooped, boomy and fizzy, but now i kinda like it.
The thing is: I did not keep it.
Regarding the Marshall i thought it was already a bit too uppermid. It's pretty nasty in the room.
Here's a Clip with Bass, Mids, Treble on 10 and Presence on 8. As "High-Mid" as it gets.
I don't think i'm a Multi-Amp guy.
VHTStark
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I paid 2499. I have wanted one for a while and that is a lower price than when they were released back in 2020.
1699 CAN for a Badlander would be an absolute steal! Really fantastic amp!
BenoA
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I am tempted to get one at 2499$. How do you like yours? What cab are you using with it?
VHTStark
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Oh I love mine. Tone wise, I have compared it now alot with my 2204 and Multi-watt. Still more Recto than Marshall, IMO, but some eq'ing can get you to lean further into either camp, which makes it quite versatile!
It is clear, fairly open and punchy. Not very saturated, which I personally prefer, but that is why alot of guys pretty well always play it with either a boost or hotmod. I personally don't find it lacking in either low end or gain.
I have used it through a number of cabs now, but my two favorites are my '99 Recto cab and Marshall jcm 800 cab with white label G12T-75's.
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Thank you. At first i had the Mesa dialed like this:
I thought it was too scooped, boomy and fizzy, but now i kinda like it.
The thing is: I did not keep it.
Regarding the Marshall i thought it was already a bit too uppermid. It's pretty nasty in the room.
Here's a Clip with Bass, Mids, Treble on 10 and Presence on 8. As "High-Mid" as it gets.
I don't think i'm a Multi-Amp guy.
dude, that recto in that clip sounds fucking TITS for that style. I know that it is a bit dark, but that's its thing.
The marshall...If you want I want you to put every dial besides master and gain to 11 oclock. Put the master at 9 o clock. Now dime the presence and turn up the master to 11 oclock, only now adjust the gain to where the amp doesn't sound thin.
Then put your treble up to where it sounds good. Then bring the bass to where it evens out, then adjust the mids...scooped or not. I would probably scoop. Then You bring the gain up to where the bass fills in. If you are going to boost it after that, then you will need to adjust the bass and gain down a bit probably depending on the boost.
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The presence dimed is important with marshall for high gain, imo. The treble should be secondary. The treble makes it scratchy. You can overcome the nasty of the presence by adjusting the gain. So this is a good way to start dialing it in. Everything will have to be tweaked a bit after adding boosts and definitely when you change the master volume. But it gets you a good starting position, and will give you clarity which is kind of the point of the marshall.
The way you dialed the marshall in the op is fucking sick. But...if you do it this way, its natural ability will shine, and it cuts like a knife. This is where it will sound best if you mixed it with a darker tone like the recto. It will bury the recto, but the mix of the two will fucking blow your mind.
But even if you play it alone, the thing about a marshall style is that you want the power section cooking a little to fill out the tone. If you are playing it quietly and maxing the preamp gain and maxing the gain off of a pedal, then you might as well use a solid state. And there is nothing wrong with solid state, but when you start by maximizing what the amp can bring, you can adjust the gain off the pedal to taste and the gain on the amp is probably at 1 oclock max which keeps the chords clear. That is where the magic of a marshall happens imo.
The way you dialed the marshall in the op is fucking sick. But...if you do it this way, its natural ability will shine, and it cuts like a knife. This is where it will sound best if you mixed it with a darker tone like the recto. It will bury the recto, but the mix of the two will fucking blow your mind.
But even if you play it alone, the thing about a marshall style is that you want the power section cooking a little to fill out the tone. If you are playing it quietly and maxing the preamp gain and maxing the gain off of a pedal, then you might as well use a solid state. And there is nothing wrong with solid state, but when you start by maximizing what the amp can bring, you can adjust the gain off the pedal to taste and the gain on the amp is probably at 1 oclock max which keeps the chords clear. That is where the magic of a marshall happens imo.
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Simon Dorn
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Actually, it doesn't really matter. I turned every knob in every direction from zero to 10 for years and i tried many pedals.
Zakk Wylde setting: from left to right:6,10,6,7,MV.10
Erik Rutan Setting: 5,10,5,5,MV,10
Trevor Peres: 6,10,0,6,MV,10
I like 8,7,4,4,MV,10 / 7,7,4,4.MV10 / 5,7,2,4,MV,10 / 8,10,0,10,MV,10 My go to is: 5,8,5,7,MV,10
On my current Amp 1.8 on the Master is loud, around 2-2.2 it fattens nicely, when you turn it up to 3, it's insane in my small room. You really got to step back. When you later lower the Volume to around 2 it sounds thin again. The Amp is loud. I measured more than 120db in front of the Cab with the Master Volume around 2.
Here's the AC/DC settings. It's not what you might think it is:
And no, i won't play a Transistor Amp.
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Actually, it doesn't really matter. I turned every knob in every direction from zero to 10 for years and i tried many pedals.
Zakk Wylde setting: from left to right:6,10,6,7,MV.10
Erik Rutan Setting: 5,10,5,5,MV,10
Trevor Peres: 6,10,0,6,MV,10
I like 8,7,4,4,MV,10 / 7,7,4,4.MV10 / 5,7,2,4,MV,10 / 8,10,0,10,MV,10 My go to is: 5,8,5,7,MV,10
On my current Amp 1.8 on the Master is loud, around 2-2.2 it fattens nicely, when you turn it up to 3, it's insane in my small room. You really got to step back. When you later lower the Volume to around 2 it sounds thin again. The Amp is loud. I measured more than 120db in front of the Cab with the Master Volume around 2.
Here's the AC/DC settings. It's not what you might think it is:
And no, i won't play a Transistor Amp.
Yeah. I wouldn't worry about zack wild or any musician on that level. They have sound guys that are adjusting their rigs, and they have it going through racks and all kinds of shit with effects.
I was taljing more about how to set up the tone of the amp before all the other stuff. That said, if you cant use the master, then yeah...probably thin.
But your op marshall tone, while not really marshall works really welll for that style
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I will just say this last one thing. Because i am trying to tell you how to fix things that i see on your dials. If you have preamp gain maxed on amp and tubescreamer gain maxed on pedal, then you are going to get a dark flubby mess. When i seee that with treble higher than presence, that is why i say start with presence dimed.
Presence gives you gain, but the higher register, tighter gain. So the preamp gain is gojng to give you more bass as it gets higher, and the tone is going to be less tight.
The treble acts as high end, but makes it scratchy and you can hear it when you pick the strings.
The mids don't have to be high, but are a taste for whatever sound you are going for. The bass, treble, mid, and preamp gain are as low as you can have them and have the full sound you want. If you have to max one...nbd. But it is a guide for how to begin the shaping.
Once you have all that, introducing a clean boost or two would be what you do. (No distortion from pedal)
Then you do the final shaping to sculpt it.
That is my opinion on a marshall circuit. All im saying is try it and make the same clip. I would like to hear it
At the end, you are shaping the tone to your speakers with everything introduced and you have recording volume set. Then you could bump the distortion on the pedal if you still need more nasty. If you have to max that and the preamp gain on amp, you have the wrong amp
Presence gives you gain, but the higher register, tighter gain. So the preamp gain is gojng to give you more bass as it gets higher, and the tone is going to be less tight.
The treble acts as high end, but makes it scratchy and you can hear it when you pick the strings.
The mids don't have to be high, but are a taste for whatever sound you are going for. The bass, treble, mid, and preamp gain are as low as you can have them and have the full sound you want. If you have to max one...nbd. But it is a guide for how to begin the shaping.
Once you have all that, introducing a clean boost or two would be what you do. (No distortion from pedal)
Then you do the final shaping to sculpt it.
That is my opinion on a marshall circuit. All im saying is try it and make the same clip. I would like to hear it
At the end, you are shaping the tone to your speakers with everything introduced and you have recording volume set. Then you could bump the distortion on the pedal if you still need more nasty. If you have to max that and the preamp gain on amp, you have the wrong amp
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tvegas99
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great thread!! Love the Marshall!!
